The Technical Terms of downloaded footage.

Unfound · Post by **Unfound** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:40 pm

Alright, personally, I don't use it and I never will, but I'd like to know the technical terms on which this site stands on it. I know they don't condone it, but they're several instances where they're unbelivable obvious. The ones I'm talking about are mainly the Naruto, Samurai Champloo, Kingdom Hearts 2 (Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix also) and Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children AMVs or AMVs that include these. For one, the only way to obtain ANY of this footage without the use on internet downloads (excluding Samurai Champloo, I think) is to buy Japanese imports, which very few people do. Also, the only way to actually get Kingdom Hearts 2 footage would be if you were to capture the trailer off TV yourself which STILL isn't even that great as many scold people for not buying the original source footage.

There are 165 videos containing Kingdom Hearts 2, 167 videos containing FFVII: Advent Children, 4 Samurai Champloo videos and let's not even get into Naruto. Now, I get back to the question I originally had: Do you honestly think that all these people are ripping/capturing the footage themselves, or must you leave that anime option up there on the off-chance that they did actually use the original, non-compressed source footage?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:02 pm

It's the same reason they don't enforce the rules against fansubs and bootlegs - not just that it's hard to enforce, but that they'd have to get rid of some of the very best amvs on this site. By saying 'no' to these illegal types, they have it in writing that the org does not approve or condone these illegal activities. That clears some 'blame' in part. But enforcing the rules? Do we really want to see what our greatest vids would be reduced to if we cut out the illegal source material vids? And if we *really* get to illegal source material, all dvds that are 'ripped' are illegally obtained. We'd have nothing but original animation vids.

Hence it's an 'ethical guideline' rather than a 'use and get banned' rule.

Brolly345 · Post by **Brolly345** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:06 pm

Some of the footage people use is downloaded because not everyone has the money to buy the DVDs. I mean a whole series could cost 150 dollars or more. In contrast downloading is free and it lets someone get the footage they want without having to spend a fortune on DVDs and imports. The site says using downloaded footage is not allowed, but that's an honor code thing. I'll never use downloaded footage, but I won't put down those that do. But to answer your question, it's best to just not bring up the footage has a high chance of being downloaded. It isn't that big of a deal.

kitsunebeolnet · Post by **kitsunebeolnet** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:17 pm

This needs to be broken down in several ways to explain it all.

Piracy - We understand that some shows are only available as fansubs. A fansubber's 'code of honor' is that once a show becomes liscensed for distribution, the subs are supposed to be completely withdrawn to encourage fans to purchase the anime and to keep companies producing more. Most AMV'ers frown on seeing someone still using fansub footage once the anime is liscensed.

Quality - Fansub quality has vastly improved over the past couple of years since going from constantly traded video tapes to digital; But due to attempts to shrink the file size or errors in the data, fansubs quality can still be questionable at times. Fansub AMVs are really discouraged if the quality is just not up to being worth seeing. It will save you tons of heartbreak from bad reviews or e-mail bombs from people suffering eyestrain looking at your videos.

Speaking of quality - Some people are just plain put off by seeing subtitles in an AMV unless they are intentional. This also will keep your videos out of most contests.

Still, there are times when there is nothing else to be done about it. As far as using downloaded footage, the rules were written as a guideline and not completely in stone. the forums are here if you have specific doubts but your own conscience should be your guide.

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:24 pm

I think the reason why this site is anti-fansubs is because, in theory, somebody's losing money every time you download a pirated copy of anime.

Now, with fansubs that haven't been released stateside (i.e. Naruto), this is a different issue. Most of us don't have access to these series, unless we want to pay bootleggers for them, and some would say that supporting bootleggers by paying them is worse still than supporting free bootleggers.

As for downloaded video game footage, I don't think there's reall a problem with that, as far as ethics go. In theory, nobody's really making money off the Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts 2 trailers, right? The only real issue with those is quality, and I won't make comments there.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:38 pm

inthesto wrote:Now, with fansubs that haven't been released stateside (i.e. Naruto), this is a different issue. Most of us don't have access to these series, unless we want to pay bootleggers for them, and some would say that supporting bootleggers by paying them is worse still than supporting free bootleggers.

What about legitimate R2s, like the ones at www.cdjapan.co.jp ?

fizzucker · Post by **fizzucker** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:40 pm

using downloaded footage is something that sometimes, cannot be avoided for ceratin projects.....for example as of now, i'm in the process of making a video using the tekken 5 trailer footage, but the only way to get the footageis through downloading it off the official site...sometimes people need to download clips

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:06 pm

fizzucker wrote:using downloaded footage is something that sometimes, cannot be avoided for ceratin projects.....for example as of now, i'm in the process of making a video using the tekken 5 trailer footage, but the only way to get the footageis through downloading it off the official site...sometimes people need to download clips

Or you could make a video without it.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, nothing personal. I just have to laugh at people who think getting the footage they want is an ESSENTIAL NEED, like water and oxygen.

Herbert West · Post by **Herbert West** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:24 pm

inthesto wrote:I think the reason why this site is anti-fansubs is because, in theory, somebody's losing money every time you download a pirated copy of anime.

I don't think that's the point. I think Fansubs are made with the premise that those who really like the series should buy it after it's released in the persons country and what better sign for liking a series can exist than to make an AMV of it.
Personaly i don't have a problem with people who're using Fansubs of unreleased series, as long as they don't have any subs in their AMVs.

inthesto wrote:Now, with fansubs that haven't been released stateside (i.e. Naruto), this is a different issue. Most of us don't have access to these series, unless we want to pay bootleggers for them, and some would say that supporting bootleggers by paying them is worse still than supporting free bootleggers.

I bought the japanese Puni Puni Poemi DVDs to make one of my Vids.

inthesto wrote:As for downloaded video game footage, I don't think there's reall a problem with that, as far as ethics go. In theory, nobody's really making money off the Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts 2 trailers, right? The only real issue with those is quality, and I won't make comments there.

agreed

fizzucker · Post by **fizzucker** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:27 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:
fizzucker wrote:using downloaded footage is something that sometimes, cannot be avoided for ceratin projects.....for example as of now, i'm in the process of making a video using the tekken 5 trailer footage, but the only way to get the footageis through downloading it off the official site...sometimes people need to download clips
Or you could make a video without it.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, nothing personal. I just have to laugh at people who think getting the footage they want is an ESSENTIAL NEED, like water and oxygen.

you are getting the wrong idea here...i want to make a video using the tekken 5 footage...where do i get it? its not like i can buy it off of EB or anything, so i download it...simple enough