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Discussion:
Archive of previous moderated discussions:20:59 <inthesto> Hmm.
20:59 <inthesto> I'm looking at the genres he listed
20:59 <Panky> if I've learned something from my own videos is that using the same effect over and over for more than 40 seconds ( or synching the SAME way ) is bad.
20:59 <inthesto> Strangely enough, "Sentimental" isn't among htem.
20:59 <PaperIsland> Yeah, I thought the same thing
20:59 <Driftroot> I was going to anyways, but, did you notice the effects weren't on the chorus? I expect effects to go along with the "hook" in the song, but they didn't, it was reversed!
20:59 <godix> inthesto: Neither is 'mind numbing awful' which just goes to show the creator didn't catagorize this correctly.
20:59 <PaperIsland> It was the only way to make the non-choruses hold your attention
20:59 <Driftroot> Took me a bit to figure out why the choruses were falling flat for me...but that was it.
20:59 <MD> Godix...that is why I'm going to naka-kon
21:00 <MD> hopefully I don't win dbz footage
21:00 <MD> :|
21:00 <inthesto> Hmm, overdone concept?
21:00 <godix> MD: Acen theme category. Trust me, there will be like 2 other vids and that's it. Free anime and shit.
21:00 <MD> :O
21:00 <Panky> was this anime the one that had the 'sexual issues'?
21:00 <quadir> inthesto: hm, I think more it was his sync to the song
21:00 <inthesto> Ah
21:00 <quadir> I just found it overly lyric word synced
21:00 <Driftroot> sexual issues?
21:00 <Panky> or i'm thinking of another anime?
21:00 <Rathisponge> I thought the pace and flow of the video was very well done. I believe a good portion of the effects used in the video were done tactfully and were appropriate. There were some used such as the picture frame of black and white video which didn't seem very appropriate.
21:00 <Panky> yeah yaoi or that crazy thing
21:00 <inthesto> Well, this is the second Ouran video I've ever seen, so it was hard for me to judge originality
21:00 <Driftroot> Now see, I could barely hear the lyrics...
21:01 <MD> Godix pm
21:01 <Driftroot> not really, Panky
21:01 <quadir> while any kind of deeper meaning in the song just totally fell flat
21:01 <inthesto> Rathi: I found the effects to be meh more often than not
21:01 <godix> Driftroot: Speaking as one of the people claiming we speak to much technically, that is exactly the type of comment I like seeing when discussing effects. How it worked overall rather than 'he was 2 frames late with that sync' type of comment.
21:01 <inthesto> In fact, I think there were maybe two points where they were better than meh
21:01 <Panky> I'm saying it because I've seen a few videos of these and it looks this way
21:01 <PaperIsland> So the whole "stars" deal, did that relate to the series or something?
21:01 <inthesto> quadir: I didn't really have the time to read over the lyrics
21:02 <teya> quadir: i noticed that too
21:02 <Rathisponge> I made a comment Paperisland about that in my opinion, I believe "stars" is referring to possibly popular or better people?
21:02 <inthesto> I just kind of took them to go with the video, i.e. "having friends is great"
21:02 <inthesto> Maybe with a dash of identity crisis on the side.
21:02 <Rathisponge> I am unsure though
21:02 <quadir> PaperIsland: it seems like when the songs says "stars" he pans the view up to the sky, and then shows shots of each of his peers
21:02 <Driftroot> I'd like to see the effects reversed, used on the chorus instead...I think it would have given this a boost.
21:02 <quadir> I think that's the deepest meaning you can draw here
21:02 <teya> is it peers, or stars of the show...
21:03 <inthesto> quadir: When they say "stars", I take that to mean your friends in life
21:03 <Driftroot> Just a random question: who's seen this series?
21:03 <inthesto> Nope
21:03 <teya> no
21:03 <Orwell> What series is it?
21:03 <Driftroot> Erm, Ouran High School Host Club
21:03 <inthesto> I took the meaning of the video to be that when you're by yourself it's easy to feel crappy, but when you're with friends things pick up and get bright
21:03 <Rathisponge> I disagree Driftroot, I thought the effects used with the instrumental was better
21:04 <inthesto> Which is kind of a message for five-year olds, but whatever.
21:04 <godix> ouran something or another. That show about a bunch of faggots jerking each off in class
21:04 <Panky> I've never heard of this band
21:04 <Orwell> I've seen it
21:04 <Orwell> And can't get online
21:04 <Orwell> hence the question
21:04 <Driftroot> No, Rath, I'm not talking about comparing effects, I'm talking about comparing the parts where there were no effects and the part where there were.
21:04 <Rathisponge> oh I misunderstood.
21:04 <Driftroot> s'ok :)
21:05 <teya> hmm
21:05 <Panky> Practically all effects used where zooming, blurring, and the flash thing
21:05 <teya> i think one really has to see the anime to get the amv
21:05 <inthesto> teya: I disagree
21:05 <quadir> I just didn't buy his melancholy and ineptness
21:05 <inthesto> It's a video about having friends and being goofy
21:05 <godix> To treat the review somewhat seriously, I've watched the video three times now (not in a row but overall). I still don't think I actually noticed anything that was in it past the one minute mark. This is a perfect example of a video so damn boring I honestly can't say anything about it other than it was boring.
21:05 <inthesto> I don't need to have seen Ouran to get that
21:05 <Driftroot> I don't think so...I've seen the series and it's kind of confusing.
21:06 <teya> inthesto: "but ultimately it shows the affect the Host Club has had on Haruhi"
21:06 <teya> i don't get that part
21:06 <Rathisponge> I thought that as well teya though I haven't seen the series
21:06 <Driftroot> godix: I agree, I have to say, the first 57 seconds of this really had my attention...then it dropped off into unoriginal territory and I kind of snoozed.
21:06 <inthesto> teya: See, notice when Haruhi is by herself, she looks kind of crappy
21:06 <Driftroot> teya: she was a bitter introvert and these guys showed her how to have fun. That's it, basically.
21:06 <godix> So since I have nothing to contribute to this conversation than what I just said, and bitching about technical shit, I'm just gonna shut up now.
21:06 <inthesto> When she's with other people, she's having a good time
21:06 <inthesto> That's about all there is to it.
21:06 <teya> lol okay
21:06 <Rathisponge> I do agree the video did take a hit in the originality category driftroot
21:06 <inthesto> godix: Fair enough, I've had review videos like that in the past
21:07 <Driftroot> If the whole thing had been like the first 57 seconds, it would have been MUCH more interesting, original, reviewable, etc.
21:07 <quadir> a note, the first near minute is all instrumental
21:07 <teya> quadir: ah, so when trying to follow lyrics it gets more random?
21:07 <Driftroot> Yeap, interesting how the lyrics in this case seem to have interfered with the good vibe the editor had going.
21:07 <Panky> I think that a problem is the song that keeps repeating 2 different rythms and that's all
21:08 <Panky> It would have been better with more changes in the music rythm
21:08 <Driftroot> Yeah, but we can't pick on the editor for the song's merits...
21:08 <PaperIsland> Or can we?
21:08 <Driftroot> Well, we can, but...
21:08 <PaperIsland> You choose the song and you'd better be ready to work with it
21:08 <Rathisponge> quadir you mentioned the video overly followed the lyrics, should she/he have created a mix of video synched with the instrumental and lyrics?
21:09 <Panky> If a video is great enough, with a crappy song and a good video, it'll somehow sound well, the same with a crappy video
21:09 <PaperIsland> If you know it has a certain characteristic that could be a weakness you should consider that and compensate for it in your editing
21:09 <Driftroot> Or hack and slash the song.
21:09 <quadir> Rathisponge: I just didn't get this "the whole is greater then the sum of its parts" message that the song was pandering, or even a simpler "I can be myself around my true friends even though my life is crap"
21:10 <quadir> he starts the video with the group /being/ the conflict
21:10 <quadir> he's got to express the emotion individually thorugh 8 characters
21:10 <quadir> so it just ends up being 8 b&w shots to be "sad and lonely" and then group shots of them laughing and smiling
21:10 <quadir> over and over again
21:11 <Driftroot> and then a focus on the blonde bishie at the end with her.
21:11 <Servo> alright op finally up
21:11 <quadir> Driftroot: well it focuses on the guy who spills the vase at the beginning
21:11 <Driftroot> That's a girl.
21:11 <Driftroot> :)
21:11 <quadir> oh, I had assumed it was all guys
21:11 <Driftroot> LOL
21:12 <G_Q> O_o
21:12 <quadir> didn't think this was another fruits basket
21:12 <G_Q> Maaya Sakomoto doesn't do guys (as far as I know...)
21:12 <Driftroot> No...the series is about this girl who is mistaken for a guy, and the other guys play it up big time with the girls at the school, who think the girl is a guy.
21:13 <godix> that's a girl?
21:13 <Driftroot> Yeap.
21:13 <Driftroot> Notice she rips off her wig at the end.
21:13 <godix> Definately not the stereotypical big tittied anime character is she?
21:13 <quadir> okay a good example is 2:06 "chaos in our lives can pass as sane" and he shows THE GRUOP
21:13 <quadir> er group, even
21:13 <Driftroot> I know this sounds whacked, but it actually is done extremely well.
21:13 <Servo> Theres another series called Oboku that follows the same story as this. Except Vice-Versa
21:13 <godix> driftroot: The only thing about the end of this video I noticed is that when watching it the end always seems far far away
21:14 <quadir> I thought that the group was the ones setting order and putting their lives to right
21:14 <Driftroot> I noticed that too. I was actually concerned until I realized the credits took up about a minute.
21:14 <quadir> but half the time it seems the group IS the problem
21:14 <Panky> godix: i think it is because the lyrics repeat all the time
21:14 <G_Q> Driftroot: The segment in one episode of her "singing" was probably the most memorable one for me.
21:14 <Servo> Panky: I do admit, the song choice itself is kinda of boring.'
21:14 <Driftroot> quadir: the group does have problems, in the series, the girl becomes a stabalizing influence in THEIR lives even as they become a good influence on HER.
21:14 <Panky> i'm repeating it too much, I know
21:15 <Driftroot> G_Q: Notice the editor didn't check off lipsynch on this?
21:15 <Panky> but it has that strange feeling .. :P
21:15 <G_Q> A bit.
21:15 <Servo> My thoughts are with godix. Too boring, completely lost touch with the vid at 1:30
21:16 <Panky> As someone said, this AMV has been done to those who have watched the anime
21:16 <Panky> Else, you don't understand anything
21:16 <quadir> Panky: really? there's depth here?
21:16 <Panky> Anyway, getting to explain a situation or the plot of an anime is quite hard in an amv
21:17 <quadir> or does the word sync just fit MORE?
21:17 <Servo> I know, but I doubt I would've been interested even if I had seen the anime Panky.
21:17 <Panky> I don't know, I really think there isn't
21:17 <yoko> too much depth can't always be an advantage
21:17 <Panky> Now i'll search the little parts of the lyrics i couldn't understand
21:17 <Driftroot> OHSHC is kind of complex, I know that may sound crazy to some people, but cramming everything the editor tried to cram into four minutes is very tough and I don't think it worked. The situation could have been presented a lot more simply.
21:17 <quadir> yoko|Logan: if the video requires series knowledge, I'd think it's because you need to get some "depth" element
21:18 <Servo> Hmmm...Does it ever occur to anyone that 'complex' is not what this video needs?
21:18 <quadir> Servo: it is very busy
21:18 <Driftroot> Hence my "more simply" recommendation.
21:18 <Servo> I was bored because I didn't care about the characters.
21:18 <quadir> like I mentioned earlier... 8 characters? wtf
21:18 <PaperIsland> Yeah
21:19 <PaperIsland> No identification for those of us who haven't seen it
21:19 <Panky> Problem is when the anime itself has no plot at all
21:19 <Servo> it's like that movie "Meet the Robinsons" Too many fuckers for me to care about
21:19 <Panky> Or has too many
21:19 <quadir> I guess series knowledge could help there, you'd already care about the characters individually
21:19 <Panky> lol
21:19 <Driftroot> This series has plot, but it's subtle.
21:19 <G_Q> Truly.
21:20 <godix> is saying the plot is subtle a nice way of saying the plot is barely present?
21:20 <Driftroot> quadir: I have knowledge and I still didn't care very much. You don't see a lot of their individual personalities.
21:20 <quadir> okay, I think that's good. we're repeating a lot.
21:20 <G_Q> It's a real go-with-the-flow anime.
21:20 <Driftroot> godix: no, it's just not "evil man is trying to take over world/heroes must stop him/heroes win over great odds" kind of plot.
21:20 <yoko> quadir: sometimes u could be watching it for the case of the song and not just the material used.
21:20 <Panky> And how one of you said, an amv is easier to understand when it doesn't have too much flashing, and a few of characters, or show who is the most important
21:20 <quadir> despite it's flaws, what did people think in the end?
21:20 <Servo> Hmmm...are we saying that the only way to like this vid is for us to at least have seen the series?
21:20 <Panky> Instead, this one has a lots of characters that are dressed the same and that's confusing.
21:21 <Panky> (or almost all the time)
21:21 <yoko> quadir: The Credits?
21:21 <quadir> I didn't really connect with the characters, I wish I had, the group dynamic looked interesting, and the song seemed to be trying to tell me something. I kept watching but it just didn't happen.
21:21 <G_Q> Panky: Well, they are in a private school, so they would all wear the same uniform.
21:21 <yoko> not trying to offend the person
21:21 <Panky> Yes, indeed
21:21 <Panky> And that's why :P
21:21 <G_Q> The female lead is cross-dressing.
21:21 <godix> I've not seen the series but I have seen some oruan vids I liked. This wasn't one of them.
21:21 <Driftroot> This is an AMV made by someone who really likes this series FOR people who really like this series. The presentation wasn't up to par on several levels, but it's attractive enough to win fans...obviously...
21:21 <G_Q> Also, being a host club, they hold various "events".
21:22 <yoko> well the video ended better than I've seen in most
21:22 <Servo> I have to agree with quadir. The video sets up so much potential for its characters, but nothing happens nor does the vid deliver in the end.
21:22 * G_Q will op later.
21:22 <yoko> usually it's just those 2 couples falling in the water and thats just about it.
21:23 <Panky> So, did you said that both persons that fall at the final of the amv, aren't boys?
21:23 <Panky> 1 boy 1 girl ?
21:24 <yoko> Panky: yes
21:24 <Servo> I do admit the vid shows some awesome group shots from the show. But like the potential, nothing happens in terms of content.
21:24 <Panky> yoko|Logan: wow, that was shocking
21:24 <yoko> if thats what who they are I'll roll with that
21:24 -!- Fall_Child42 [~toddserge@Dewel0per.panda.nut] has joined #amv-review
21:24 <godix> oh, by the way, the reason I found it boring wasn't that i didn't connect with the characters or don't know the story. It's because a large amount of the video is little more than shots of people standing around doing nothing.
21:24 <Panky> It is good, and I think I would have liked it more if I had seen the anime
21:24 <godix> although the other things didn't help any.
21:25 <G_Q> The whole show is based more or less around the Host Club and their cross-dressing member, who happens to be the most charming "boy" of the club >_>
21:25 -!- `Eclipse [~dsshadow@synIRC-E61E2458.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #amv-review
21:25 <Eclipse> too late?
21:25 <Fall_Child42> yeah me too
21:25 <Panky> My onegai twins amv was the same, practically always the same synch, and finished with a photo
21:25 <G_Q> And, since it makes them money, and she does owe them for the vase that she smashed...
21:25 <yoko> G_Q I got that, just tell panky that.
21:25 <Fall_Child42> they watched a boring drama video again
21:25 <G_Q> You can take it from there.
21:25 <Fall_Child42> so we didn't miss much
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