AMV Review #24: servo101010's Remember

[quadir]

The concept: free op the chosen amv, then video discussion in irc
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When: Every Monday, 20:30 EDT (8:30pm)
After: free-for-all video-related chat the rest of the week

This week's video:
Luke McLean (servo101010) - 2007 - Remember
Category: Character Profile / Effects
Anime: Cowboy Bebop
Song: BT (Braint Transeau) - Remember

Bonus Video:
(Bongu-san) - 2005 - They're Out to Get You
Category: Drama
Anime: Paranoia Agent [Spoilers]
Song: Jem - They

Archive:
2007 August 023-20, 022-13, 021-06, July 020-30, 019-23, 018-16, 017-09, 016-02
June 015-25, 014-18, 013-11, 012-04, May 011-28, 010-21, 009-14, 008-07
April 007-30, 006-23, 005-16, 004-09, 003-02, March 002-26, 001-19

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Discussion:
IRC Participants: CrackTheSky (Ben Sobotka), DriftRoot (Lauren), `Eclipse (Blake Stevens), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), Hunter (The Origonal Head Hunter - Lash Walker), Minion, NerdStrudel (Blain T.), ngsilver (Nathan), Orwell, quadir (Olivier Beaton), RathiSponge (Billy Welch), teya

20:30 <quadir> Video: Luke McLean (servo101010) - 2007 - Remember
20:30 <quadir> Link: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=149363
20:30 <quadir> Category: Effects
20:30 <quadir> Anime: Cowboy Bebop
20:30 <quadir> Song: BT (Braint Transeau) - Remember
20:31 <DriftRoot> Hrm..
20:31 <DriftRoot> Category: Effects?
20:31 <godix> While that isn't an org category, it should be.
20:32 <quadir> like I pay attention to what these people use for their cats
20:32 <DriftRoot> It seems to me that an "effects" category would result in a video being really terrible or really awesome.
20:32 <quadir> 3/4 of the time they just click all the boxes to they are eligable for more vca nominations
20:32 <quadir> so they are
20:35 <G_Q> Either this is high-quality, or they didn't compress their audio. :\
20:35 <quadir> 6 minutes
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20:35 <quadir> it's the 3rd option
20:35 <DriftRoot> It's probably the latter...it's not the spiffiest looking thing.
20:35 <DriftRoot> That too.
20:39 -!- Minion has joined #amv-review
20:40 <Minion> i won't even try to get an image past you this week
20:42 -!- NerdStrutomX has joined #amv-review
20:42 <G_Q> Great. Now I have to re-download it -_-;
20:42 <NerdStrutomX> Good thing I saw yo topic. I forgot
20:43 <DriftRoot> It's really depressing how dated Cowboy Bebop looks to me now. I remember watching it "way back when" and being blown away...
20:43 <quadir> I figured some freaks troll the board
20:43 <NerdStrutomX> so.. where is it? :O
20:44 <NerdStrutomX> <_<... where is da vid?
20:45 <godix> On da org
20:45 <Minion> on the internet
20:45 <NerdStrutomX> yes, yes. Insert smartass answer here. I mean where is da link and crap quadir?
20:45 <Ileia> in the channel topic
20:45 <Minion> look up.
20:45 <NerdStrutomX> oh
20:45 <NerdStrutomX> -_-
20:45 <DriftRoot> -_-
20:45 <NerdStrutomX> that'll work
20:48 <godix> I see boxes. Is that what I'm supposed to see or did my decoding fuck up?
20:48 <godix> Oh, wait, there is anime here. Nevermind.
20:48 <DriftRoot> Boxes are all over the place...I did the same thing. LOL
20:49 <godix> quadir: You picked the right category for it.
20:50 <Minion> good god. euphoria rip much?
20:50 <NerdStrutomX> oh boyy. I'm lookin' forward to this -_-
20:51 <DriftRoot> hehehe
20:51 <godix> Minion: It's not a ripoff of Euphoria. It's a very cheap inferior attempt at Euphoria. A real euphoria ripoff would have at least ahd better effecs
20:52 <godix> DOES THIS VIDEO FUCKING END?
20:53 <Minion> im being EVA STROBE'd to death now
20:53 <godix> you're at the same point I am then.
20:53 <godix> eRmAc lives.
20:53 <G_Q> Isn't that "being Euphoria'd"
20:53 <DriftRoot> lol it's not so bad the second or third time through. You know what's coming and can kind of zone out.
20:53 <DriftRoot> Wait till you get to the flashy part.
20:53 <DriftRoot> The SIDEWAYS flashy part.
20:54 <godix> hit it
20:54 <DriftRoot> :D
20:54 <NerdStrutomX> any anime?
20:54 <NerdStrutomX> oh wait
20:54 <Minion> not there yet
20:54 <NerdStrutomX> There is some
20:54 <Minion> ah, there we go
20:54 <Minion> why the fuck was that there
20:54 <NerdStrutomX> Oh my god do I ever love the portals Transition -_-
20:55 <godix> Minion: becuase the editor figured that he might still have some people going 'not baduntil that point
20:55 <NerdStrutomX> and cookie cutter
20:55 <godix> but he wanted to make sure NO ONE would like it
20:55 <DriftRoot> At least we don't have weird "letterboxing"
20:55 <G_Q> Er... yeah, we actually do.
20:55 <DriftRoot> Not as bad as last week.
20:55 * DriftRoot should have added that
20:55 <NerdStrutomX> ..*sigh* I HAVE to OP this and watch it all the way through don't I?
20:56 <Orwell> Yes
20:56 <godix> I don't even remember last weeks.
20:56 <DriftRoot> wooo another Resident Ebil movie
20:56 <NerdStrutomX> not only does he use cookie cutter, But.. it's used poorly -_-... I mean gah
20:56 <Orwell> Resident Ebola, I'd watch that
20:57 <G_Q> END. END... this video must END... @_@
20:57 <NerdStrutomX> I was just thinking that
20:57 <NerdStrutomX> how long is it?
20:57 <NerdStrutomX> HOLY FUCK
20:57 <DriftRoot> Over six minutes
20:58 <G_Q> 6 min 40 sec or so
20:58 <DriftRoot> ^_^
20:58 <godix> GQ: See that little X in the upper right hand corner, that's the best way to end it I found
20:58 <NerdStrutomX> what's with all the fast flashing pictures
20:58 <NerdStrutomX> of.. the same 5 pictures over and over?
20:58 <DriftRoot> Is it sideways yet?
20:58 <Orwell> A complete waste of 6:35 minutes, 7 second edition
20:58 <godix> orwell: Except this wasn't funny.
20:58 <Orwell> Nor was a complete waste. Delete!
20:59 <Orwell> Though Complete waste DID try to suck, unlike this
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> oh my god -_-
20:59 <Orwell> Eh, it has some redeeming qualities
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> fuck more fast scene changing?
20:59 <DriftRoot> sideways...
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> looks that way
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> yep
20:59 <godix> orwell: Really? Name one.
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> sideways
20:59 <DriftRoot> I actually found myself turning my head ...
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> If it had tits. it'd have a redeeming quality
20:59 <NerdStrutomX> but it doesn't
20:59 <DriftRoot> like...ehhh???
20:59 <DriftRoot> There's ass.'
21:00 <DriftRoot> Several shots of ass. And tits in towels.
21:00 <NerdStrutomX> Oh shit.. I have to op now.. well I watched it all -_-
21:00 <Orwell> The effects were different in places that one normally doesn't see, and I rather liked the box thing, though I have to agree the guy pulled it off pretty badly
21:00 <godix> DriftRoot: Yeah, but it's fayes ass. We've all seen it god knows how many times by now
21:00 <Minion> are we discussing already?
21:00 <DriftRoot> It's too bony.
21:00 * G_Q is still diseminating what he just watched. @_@
21:00 <DriftRoot> hehe
21:00 <NerdStrutomX> ...Boxes?.. Dude. Those boxes are a transition that he randomly placed
21:00 <Orwell> Well, it IS 6/9. I suppose we can wait a little for people to finish up their ops
21:00 <godix> orwell: I could go through and tell you exactly which videos were his 'inspiration' for various parts of the effects.
21:01 <Orwell> If anyone's almost done.
21:01 <G_Q> Why can't we just open a book and download anime into our heads like that Maya chick from Fushigi Yugi? @_@
21:01 <godix> Oh well, since he's dead I declare it is 9:02 EST. Time to start bitching about the video
21:01 <Orwell> I have usurped #amv-review, now to the #ark!
21:01 <Minion> do we just say fucking and A) leave B) do it without him
21:01 <Minion> fuck it*
21:01 <godix> He logs the channel. He'll catch up I'm sure.
21:02 <DriftRoot> Well I've been dying to say this: STEP AWAY FROM THE LITTLE SQUARES
21:02 <Orwell> Eh, go on go on, I'm also a judge
21:02 <Minion> i'm all sworn out from today
21:02 <godix> So, show of hands time, who would have watched the entire video if we weren't oping the damned thing?
21:02 <CrackTheSky> *Raises hand*
21:02 * DriftRoot raises her hand
21:02 <CrackTheSky> I liked it, actually
21:02 <Minion> this was me on the phone" fuck, oh fuck fuck fuck, i fucked up oh fuck"
21:02 <NerdStrutomX> O_O
21:02 <DriftRoot> Just because I wanted to see where it would go.
21:02 <NerdStrutomX> I coulda closed this shit after liek a minute at most
21:02 <godix> Well that makes two people without any taste in this channel. Anyone else?
21:03 <DriftRoot> :P
21:03 <CrackTheSky> :)
21:03 <DriftRoot> I didn't say I liked where it went
21:03 <Orwell> I probably would have watched the whole thing to see where it went.
21:03 <NerdStrutomX> But you don't notice that it's shit after a minute
21:03 <DriftRoot> The part where Spike showed up kind of gave me hope.
21:03 <Orwell> Though, after 3 minutes it does really drag on
21:03 <godix> I would have ended it around the two minutes mark. If not then, DEFINATLEY when he hit the Soul of an Angel rip off part.
21:03 <CrackTheSky> I thought that's where it started to pick up, actually
21:03 <CrackTheSky> At least conceptually
21:04 <DriftRoot> The Spike parts were the best.
21:04 <godix> There were so many pointless effects going on I almost forgot there was even anime in this much less a concept.
21:04 <CrackTheSky> Yeah, the effects were absolutely meaningless
21:04 <Minion> i learned something today. it snows in space
21:04 <DriftRoot> I didn't "get" the shots of the piano. In my op I complained that if you weren't familiar with Faye's story, it really wouldn't have come through too well.
21:04 <Minion> and in space ships
21:05 <NerdStrutomX> hmm
21:05 <DriftRoot> The space ships seemed kind of like a metaphor for rape or something.
21:05 <NerdStrutomX> soul of an angel?
21:05 <NerdStrutomX> which part was that?
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21:05 <NerdStrutomX> Hunter.. leave now
21:05 <NerdStrutomX> it's shit
21:05 <godix> NerdStrutomX: If you have ever seen soul of an angel you wouldn't need to ask that question.
21:05 <Hunter> Like I'll listen to you
21:06 <NerdStrutomX> Ok.. fine. it shall be your undoing
21:06 <godix> hunter: This is one of those rare cases where nerd is right.
21:06 <NerdStrutomX> and yah.. I haven't seen like.. any of the classics or whatever that everybody else has seen
21:06 <Hunter> oh em gee
21:06 <DriftRoot> This video felt a hell of a lot older than 2007. Between the anime, the effects, the execution...
21:06 <Minion> though i suspect nerd loved it and is trying to avoid flamage
21:06 <NerdStrutomX> -_-
21:07 <NerdStrutomX> I am deepy insulted
21:07 <NerdStrutomX> deeply*
21:07 <CrackTheSky> Stock effect usage like this is just bad >_<
21:07 <godix> Well, all the videos who's effects he's shamelessly ripping off are from 2004 or earlier so yeah, it makes sense it'd feel like an old video
21:07 <Minion> DriftRoot: ya, i was gonna go back and check the date, but remembered these are all form this year
21:07 <DriftRoot> Yeap
21:07 <Minion> from*I
21:07 <Orwell> It looked like he was trying for a story in places, like at the casino scene, but from there it just goes to pieces
21:07 <DriftRoot> I wish he'd pulled in more Faye stuff...there's a heck of a lot more footage he could have used.
21:08 <Orwell> around the 4, 5 minute mark or so it looks like he tried to pick back up a story, but... where was he going with it I have no idea.
21:08 * DriftRoot agrees
21:08 <Orwell> The effects while old, and poorly used, I thought were in general appropriate to the mood
21:08 <Orwell> That was just some really bad execution
21:08 <DriftRoot> The cheerleader segment at 3:50 or so was promising...but it didn't keep going.
21:08 <NerdStrutomX> the only part I thought was done decently was with her and spyke.. But still.. tehre was nothing creative or anything about it
21:08 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed the amv as whole, though there were some parts , like at 1:25 where the effects seemed really out of place
21:08 <Orwell> Almost anything he pulled off well, it was just using the actual footage
21:09 <Orwell> with light effects if any.
21:09 <CrackTheSky> DriftRoot: The cheerleading montage was probably the video's strongest point
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21:09 <DriftRoot> And what's with that big black gap at 2:30?? I thought the video died on me for a few seconds.
21:09 <Minion> EVA STROBE
21:09 <Rathisponge> I think it was meant to signal a stop in the song Driftroot
21:09 <Orwell> CrackTheSky: Stock effects themselves aren't all that bad IMO, it's just that people don't use them creatively
21:09 <DriftRoot> Yeah I know but it was too much of a stop
21:10 <NerdStrutomX> .... well actually. stock effects are bad in most cases
21:10 <G_Q> Orwell: I agree.
21:10 <NerdStrutomX> hardly will fit well
21:10 * Hunter is at the 1 minute mark
21:10 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed the part after it picks up, it seemed to fit very well
21:10 <Hunter> what the hell am I watching?
21:10 <NerdStrutomX> like.. you know. the fucking overused Portal transition
21:10 <DriftRoot> lol
21:10 <godix> It just occured to me, I need to go appologize to the wondertwins for all the times I called them effects whores. Becuase calling the twins effects whores leaves no phrase left ot describe this guy
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21:10 * G_Q echoes Hunter.
21:10 <DriftRoot> I think we all asked "WTF am I watching" at some point, particularly the beginning.
21:10 <Eclipse> sorry i'm late
21:10 <Orwell> Nerd: th at's why you need to use them creatively, the stock effects work if you apply them where they should be applied
21:10 <quadir> As much as he completely butchered the box effect later on, he uses rather well in the intro
21:10 <NerdStrutomX> Leave now eclipse
21:10 <NerdStrutomX> damnit save yourself
21:11 <Eclipse> =p
21:11 * Hunter agrees with Nerd
21:11 <Minion> spoiler: spike dies. just off camera.
21:11 <Orwell> But most people just look at the variety they have, and go, ooh, pretty I'll use that
21:11 <Eclipse> is it that bad of a video?
21:11 <G_Q> Actually, another thing I noticed were distinctive skips in the audio.
21:11 <NerdStrutomX> spanish: I thought you meant with the default presets and stuff
21:11 <Hunter> Minion: He died watching this
21:11 <DriftRoot> The audio wasn't great. There was some grittiness noticeable at the beginning.
21:11 <Orwell> `Eclipse: I didn't think so, just poorly executed
21:11 <CrackTheSky> G_Q: I only noticed one, at 2:01ish
21:11 <G_Q> Now, that's a pretty rare occurrence for pretty much any video.
21:11 <Rathisponge> The triangle and other geometric shapes did seem somewhat overused, but the boxes I didnt mind so much once I understood he was using them to synch up with the electronic beat
21:11 <Eclipse> all right then
21:11 <quadir> he actually has overlapping boxes with partial transparencies, and you can tell he spent some time putting it together
21:11 * `Eclipse gets
21:11 <G_Q> Crack: There were a few others I could hear and see.
21:11 <quadir> but later on he just slaps on white rectangles that don't affect the image at all
21:11 <DriftRoot> Rath: he didn't alwys synch them well, though. That bugged me.
21:12 <Orwell> He tried to put together, but when it hits, there's no sync
21:12 <G_Q> More a problem with the synchro trying to catch up.
21:12 <Orwell> there is no beat = box
21:12 <godix> quadir: I spend time sitting on the toilet, that doesn't mean what I produce isn't shit. Same with this video.
21:12 <Rathisponge> I agree maybe not as well as he could have
21:12 <DriftRoot> I liked the partial opacity on the really early small squares. I wish he'd brought it back.
21:12 <G_Q> Too many beats missed, also.
21:12 <G_Q> And the montage ... ugh.
21:12 <DriftRoot> lol
21:12 <DriftRoot> Sideways montage! Yee!
21:12 <DriftRoot> Like we wouldn't notice?!
21:12 <quadir> DriftRoot: yeah, that's what I'm talking about
21:13 * G_Q recommends HurQulez03's Faithless for the best example of doing interesting montages.
21:13 <Rathisponge> I agree, I didnt quite understand why the pictures were sideways at that point
21:13 <Minion> nah. faye was jsut laying down, thats all
21:13 <NerdStrutomX> a week or two ago we saw Cookie cutter used well.. with that one uh.. Cat video, Here we saw it used almost as bad as it could be
21:13 <DriftRoot> When the montage started I was psyched because I thought I was going to see some new footage.
21:13 <NerdStrutomX> huzah for both sides of the spectrum
21:13 <DriftRoot> Then I just died inside.
21:13 <G_Q> This one just went over and over and over and ...
21:13 * G_Q is Shatnerizing!
21:13 <NerdStrutomX> same 5 pictures
21:14 <DriftRoot> There were other overused shots...the moon, Faye getting out of bed, her big walking scene.
21:14 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed the footage and effects used at 3:00 , it created an interesting mood and synched very well with the music
21:14 <G_Q> The sakura leaves.
21:14 <quadir> box work around 0:58 for example
21:14 <Minion> snow
21:14 <Minion> in
21:14 <Minion> spaaaaace
21:14 <G_Q> Dum-dum-dummmmm.
21:14 <Orwell> I took the snow as more just a mood setting piece, than actual snow
21:14 <DriftRoot> I enjoyed the flare wipes after that big black stop...that was nifty.
21:14 <Minion> a poor one at that
21:15 <NerdStrutomX> In space...this Video still sucks
21:15 <G_Q> Since I thought it was sakura petals ... yeah.
21:15 <DriftRoot> It could be dandruff.
21:15 <G_Q> The video capture doth suketh mightily.
21:15 <G_Q> Spike's dandruff?
21:15 <Minion> he stole part of my timeline from my "class" video :O
21:15 <godix> Ok, I've bitched about the effects enough I think.
21:15 * DriftRoot smirks
21:15 <G_Q> Well, that would make sense, considering how much hair he has.
21:16 <Minion> copy pasta footage. push buttan get amv
21:16 <Eclipse> zomg
21:16 <NerdStrutomX> These people are trying as hard as they can to show there was a good point to the video
21:16 <G_Q> Does he even bathe?
21:16 <Eclipse> i'm slightly amazed at this filesize >.>
21:16 <godix> Time to bitch about the concept. Who the fuck thinks repeating the same god damned scenes over and over again mixed in with closeups of her face is a decent concept
21:16 <Hunter> godix: bitch about the lensflare ate 2:58?
21:16 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed the part at 4:40, I thought it was very appropriate and well synched footage
21:16 <Orwell> One AKROSS video opening was a program about input video, input audio, generate amv
21:16 <DriftRoot> The first flashy montage...it was difficult to even see what was behind it.
21:16 <NerdStrutomX> G_Q: we actually see he come out of the bathroom.. Implying a shower a couple times in the show
21:16 <G_Q> godix: Forget that, how about it being OVER SIX FREAKING MINUTES?!
21:17 <Hunter> wait... this thing has a concept?
21:17 <Eclipse> wait
21:17 <NerdStrutomX> no
21:17 <Minion> godix: i don't know. saw some video last week that tried the same weak shit. had alot of beeps and numbers
21:17 <Eclipse> it's over 6 minutse
21:17 <Eclipse> *?
21:17 <Eclipse> damn >.>
21:17 <G_Q> It's beat vid. It has no point.
21:17 <Orwell> Six minutes isn't that long though, for a video like this that would hve had a coherent story
21:17 <DriftRoot> Faye's lonely but she has lots of effects to keep her company. That's the concept.
21:17 <Rathisponge> as a character profile I thought the video did a very good job and was original in the way it was done, but as a drama I felt it was lacking
21:17 <Hunter> DR: sounds right to me
21:17 <CrackTheSky> x2 Rathi
21:17 <NerdStrutomX> Spanish: Don't you get?... This video sucked?.. That's why it shouldn't have been 6 minutes XD
21:17 <godix> Minion: I never claimed there was a concept for Conet beyond 'here's something weird'. This shit claims to have a concept or something
21:18 <Minion> wasn't expecting a serious reply
21:18 <Orwell> Yeah, but, it's easy to say why it sucked, why not say something a little more constructive than that
21:18 <quadir> Orwell: 6 minutes is about the limits of amv'ing I think
21:18 <NerdStrutomX> ummm... The video quality was decent?
21:18 <DriftRoot> Rath: as a character profile, it needed more character shots. I didn't get much of a feel for who Faye was except for the parts where she was interacting with Spike and shooting her gun.
21:18 <godix> Even as a character profile it failed. It didn't actually show us anything about the character, just a bunch of closeups of her face. That ain't character profile, that's just boring.
21:18 <Minion> it blew
21:19 <godix> Orwell: Something the most constructive thing that can be said about a video is 'that sucked'.
21:19 <DriftRoot> There were a few times I wish he'd just put aside the effects and gone with the footage...like the part where Faye's adult and child eyes are mirrored. Nice idea, bad execution.
21:19 <teya> and closeups of her butt
21:19 <teya> and legs
21:19 <Hunter> this was like kickass331 effects whoring with better video quality
21:19 <Orwell> I give up. Fine, yeah, it really fucking blew it
21:19 <NerdStrutomX> huzzah
21:20 <NerdStrutomX> he conformed to the obvious
21:20 <Minion> it could have used some 3d dancing and guitar playing IMO
21:20 <teya> it's a good winamp visualization
21:20 <godix> actually video quality is another complaint I have about this video, but that's pretty trivial.
21:20 <DriftRoot> Was there any footage from the CB movie or was it all the series?
21:20 <quadir> you know the faye character profile has been done to death, I'm glad he threw something else in there, at times it really worked. At other times it was lame and lacking.
21:20 <Minion> DriftRoot: i only saw series scenes in this
21:20 <Rathisponge> some of the shots I felt drew away from the dramatic mood created such as the cheerleader scene
21:20 <teya> i haven't seen the cheerleader footage much anywhere else
21:20 <NerdStrutomX> Ok.. I think we're done here.. Last words? :O
21:21 <G_Q> ...let's move on, shall we?
21:21 <Eclipse> what?
21:21 <Minion> uhm.
21:21 <DriftRoot> Minion: That's what I though too.
21:21 <Orwell> One for note, the fucking ending dragged on. Yes, tell us blah blah, but don't keep it going beyond the space cowgirl thing
21:21 <Hunter> needs more Ed/Faye yuri
21:21 <Eclipse> just when my download finishes, it's over?
21:21 <Eclipse> >.>
21:21 <Eclipse> damn
21:21 <quadir> I was really impressed with the frame motion shots laround 1:50
21:21 <Minion> nerd thiks hes quadir .
21:21 <DriftRoot> The beginning AND the ending dragged.
21:21 <Minion> thinks
21:21 <godix> Yes, last words. I will give $5 to whoever goes to this persons house and beats his computer with a baseball bat so he can never edit again.
21:21 <Hunter> godix: make it 10
21:21 <G_Q> Honestly, it could have been a great video if the editor would have cut down the time and stuck more with the beats.
21:21 <DriftRoot> I'd rather just take his computer away. Then I can use it.
21:21 <NerdStrutomX> Godix: I'll do it for free :O
21:21 <Minion> 13 now. im low on cash
21:22 <G_Q> If you make a 6-minute vid, at least give it some reason to be 6 minutes.
21:22 <Orwell> That ain't editing, that's way you do it. Them guys ain't dumb
21:22 <quadir> godix: I watch a lot of amv's that go up on the org and on youtube, I think you really exagerate
21:22 <teya> quadir: what's this about 1:50?
21:22 <Rathisponge> I agree G_Q, cutting down on time would help make the video more concise and less repeatitive at parts
21:22 <DriftRoot> To be a great video the footage quality needed to be a lot better. A lot of the effects even looked crappy.
21:22 <godix> quadir: Just because there is stuff that sucks worse than this doesn't mean this doesn't suck.
21:23 <NerdStrutomX> indeed
21:23 <quadir> g_q: true, it was really hit or miss, so if it was 2 minutes of just the good parts it would of been a lot more solid.
21:23 <teya> masking out the hair isn't really to my taste...
21:23 <Minion> im about to improve the video. it's being removed from my hard drive to make way for porn
21:23 <DriftRoot> Oh yeah..that headless part was freaky!!
21:23 <quadir> g_q: people just aren't comfortable editing their audio
21:23 <Hunter> quadir: where are these 'good parts'?
21:23 * DriftRoot edits her audio brutally.
21:23 <Minion> brb. i have to call my work
21:23 <Orwell> Hunter, try 6:41
21:24 <Orwell> that was a good one
21:24 <DriftRoot> hmrph
21:24 <quadir> DriftRoot: I didn't get that either
21:24 <Hunter> isn't that where it en- oh wait...
21:24 <NerdStrutomX> i see what you did there :O
21:24 <DriftRoot> It was ok when the dark stars were behind her but the rest of the time it was just...eeeee!!
21:25 <DriftRoot> Aside from the poor video quality, throwing on gritty filters and things only made it worse. I was often unsure whether I was looking at tampered footage or an effect.
21:25 <DriftRoot> Not a good thing to be thinking.
21:25 <G_Q> Drift: It's wasn't gritty filter.
21:25 <G_Q> That was XviD at work.
21:25 <DriftRoot> Oh yes there was.
21:25 <Orwell> DR: Timecode? I just saw bad footage
21:26 <godix> there was. Just as driftroot said, it's hard to tell what was meant to look grainy and what was just poor video quality
21:26 <quadir> Hunter: sure, some of the effects really worked out conceptually even if they didn't contribute much. :10 box sequence was actually done well, watch for the backwards shot to sync with audio around 1:05
21:26 <DriftRoot> He used lots of grainy effects. That's what I'm talking about.
21:26 <G_Q> Still, I'm guessing it's XviD encode on Quantizer 4 or 5.
21:27 <NerdStrutomX> I'm under the belief that any effect that happened to work well or decently was purely accident
21:27 <G_Q> Which looks like grainy crap.
21:27 * Hunter agrees with Nerd
21:27 <quadir> the wipes in the main frame around 1:17 worked really well for a few transitions
21:27 <DriftRoot> At 57 or so...the scanlines...it looks even worse than it should because you know the footage isn't as sharp as it should be.
21:27 <Orwell> I guess I'm just missing them, because the only effects I see there are break ups into little small pieces
21:27 <G_Q> That it's close to 7 minutes means it had to be reduced in quality at the final build to make it under 100 MB
21:27 <DriftRoot> I felt at times he was covering UP bad footage with grainy effects.
21:28 <Minion> back. anybody sway from their opinions?
21:28 <Orwell> I'm G_Q on this, I just don't see ANY logic behind grainy filters
21:28 <Orwell> except maybe to help compressibility
21:28 <quadir> take a look at the background around 1:53
21:28 <Minion> grain filters can be used in a good way. this wasn't one of them
21:28 <DriftRoot> Old-time movie feel...that is acceptable if done well.
21:29 <Orwell> But isn't that th e footage itself? I'm pretty sure it is
21:29 <Orwell> Because you see that scene on a tape recorder I thought
21:29 <NerdStrutomX> you people are watching this more then once?
21:29 <godix> around 5:30 is an obvious spot of a grain filter rather than poor video quality
21:29 <quadir> do you mean the grain at 2:10? because it start with the electric guitar
21:29 <DriftRoot> quadir: that's what I mean, it's not a nice thing to look at.
21:29 <Minion> i can't go back now to look, but there was one scene i though just fit well. she walks up to the camera as a little girl in her bedroom and says "i need you" or something like that. but that might be my inner lolicon calling out
21:30 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed that part as well Minion
21:30 <DriftRoot> We shouldn't be wondering if something is delibately grainy or not, but unfortunately the footage overall isn't clean enough to suppress that question.
21:30 <Orwell> Either way, the use of grainy effects should have been avoided to save the already bad quality
21:30 <quadir> then you have the refresh rate at 2:39 that is synced to the beat
21:30 <Minion> you sick pedo.
21:30 <quadir> it's a bit too distracting but it was a neat alternative instead of just flashing the whole frame
21:30 <Rathisponge> at around 2:20, the transition in video and song was done very well
21:31 <DriftRoot> The part around 2:30 is another example of just letting go of effects and letting the footage do its thing.
21:31 <DriftRoot> Or rather, that's what should have been done.
21:31 <quadir> yeah the boxes after the intro... and the euphoria segment... just no I could just cut that thanks
21:31 <DriftRoot> Oh yes, about the flashy montage, I enjoyed the way it ended. Very nice going all crisp and bright.
21:32 <G_Q> Actually, did anyone else think this whole video was a Euphoria rip?
21:32 <quadir> around 3:18 he starts to use this transparency flash cut fade thing, I didn't like it but I thought it was neat enough
21:32 <DriftRoot> quadir: you need to make an AMV one of these days. :)
21:32 <quadir> g_q: not at all, just that one segment really
21:33 <godix> GQ: A mixture between Euphoria and Soul of an Angel.
21:33 <NerdStrutomX> Protip : No
21:33 <teya> i sorta liked the casino scenes
21:33 <godix> with a slight nod to Decoy's technique beats.
21:33 <quadir> DriftRoot: the editors will never have their revenge for getting picked!
21:33 <Minion> G_Q: i think he just found that "top 10 from 2004, 2003" option
21:33 <quadir> unless they fly me to a con
21:33 <quadir> then they can put me in furry cosplay or something
21:33 <teya> more interesting than a lot of the vid
21:33 <DriftRoot> mmm..furry cosplay
21:33 <teya> >_<
21:33 <Eclipse> =o
21:34 <Minion> driftroot <--- a furry exposed!
21:34 <Minion> gtfo
21:34 * DriftRoot loves her corgi very very much.
21:34 <godix> If we want furry cosplay we'll just put Minion in a sailor moon costume and tell him to not to shave for a week
21:34 <NerdStrutomX> a 10 in originality?
21:34 <quadir> actually when I look at it that whole 3:18 segment is really well done
21:34 <DriftRoot> A 10? Noooo
21:34 <Eclipse> lmao
21:34 <Eclipse> more like a 6
21:35 <Eclipse> *7
21:35 <NerdStrutomX> i gave a 3
21:35 <Orwell> a 10 to the -1 power
21:35 <DriftRoot> Most of the parts with Spike really stood out.
21:35 <NerdStrutomX> i was talkin' bout
21:35 <quadir> if you pay attention to the audio you have this really static PSHHHH beat to the transparency cuts
21:35 <NerdStrutomX> uhhh
21:35 <NerdStrutomX> rathi
21:35 <Minion> so what exactly would a hairy sailor moon be?
21:35 <teya> hmm
21:35 <quadir> then when the audio cleans up the video gets closer and closer to straight cuts
21:35 <Rathisponge> Yes Nerdstrutomx?
21:35 <teya> quadir: didn't notice that
21:35 <teya> neat
21:35 <DriftRoot> quadir: Pshhh is ok, but maybe not with an additive dissolve. It was distracting.
21:36 <NerdStrutomX> I gave the lowest overall score, GO ME!
21:36 <quadir> DriftRoot: it was, but I don't see it often so that made it a bit interesting in a effects video
21:36 <DriftRoot> You don't see it often??!
21:36 <G_Q> I gave it average scoring.
21:36 <quadir> DriftRoot: not the way it's used there
21:36 <teya> i'm bad at giving low marks
21:36 <DriftRoot> Ooohhhh
21:36 <teya> so i gave average, too
21:36 <G_Q> Hits on quite a few spots, but higher for digital effects, anyway.
21:37 <DriftRoot> Were there lyrics? I can't remember. That's not good.
21:37 <quadir> 3:55 cheerleader transition for example is pretty neat
21:37 <NerdStrutomX> quadir. you gave a 4?... but you're pointing out quite a few "good things" about it. HYPOCRICY
21:37 <quadir> I didn't really sink into this video very much, I watched it in multiple sittings, it is very long
21:37 <DriftRoot> Yeah, cheerleader and spike spots were the best...
21:37 <quadir> NerdStrutomX: actually I rated it above average
21:38 <quadir> 5.71
21:38 <quadir> almost a full point above average
21:38 <godix> Pointing out good things about this video is like sitting in middle of a sulfer fire in hell going 'it could be worse, at least it's not cold here.'
21:38 <NerdStrutomX> oh wow... I feel kind of like a prick. I gave it a 1 for reviewability
21:38 <NerdStrutomX> but eh
21:38 <NerdStrutomX> I stand by it
21:38 <quadir> it's weird the video quality seems to jump around a lot
21:39 <Rathisponge> that did seem strange to me as well quadir
21:39 <DriftRoot> It could be the "filters" it's hard to tell why.
21:39 <quadir> all the cool effects I liked it seems the quality is a lot better, even the image flashes are really crisp
21:39 <quadir> compared to the rest
21:39 <DriftRoot> Yeap. Maybe because they were stills?
21:39 <teya> hrm
21:39 <DriftRoot> The color also seemed kind of all over the place.
21:39 <quadir> 5:00 even if cheesy is still my favorite part
21:39 <teya> is the "worse" quality during the younger age shots?
21:39 <G_Q> Ah, that was the other part. The AR.
21:39 <NerdStrutomX> hmm wow, we're still talking about this
21:39 <DriftRoot> Teya: some of it
21:39 <G_Q> Lots of odd combinations of AR.
21:40 <quadir> with the rings to the guitar, the snow falling and her totally speechless
21:40 <quadir> and the transition out of it
21:40 <G_Q> Some were fullscreened, others were widescreened, then all of it was put together.
21:40 <teya> it'd sort of make sense like that..
21:41 <teya> the sideways part was mentioned, right?
21:41 <teya> i don't understand that
21:41 <DriftRoot> Several times. :)
21:41 <teya> k =D
21:41 <teya> i'm slow tonight
21:41 <quadir> I mean the editor is hardly clueless just look at 5:28 and wait for the audio change
21:41 <NerdStrutomX> the sideways part was the same exact pictures.. used the same exact way.. that meant still, absolutely nothing
21:41 <DriftRoot> We didn't say he was clueless, just...didn't pull it all together...
21:42 <quadir> but for all the parts I found in it where I went "oh that's neat" there was 1 more minute of filler
21:42 <Hunter> quadir: 7 seconds of "thats neat!"
21:42 <teya> heh
21:42 <DriftRoot> And then...more flashy (sideways) montage!!
21:42 <quadir> okay I exagerate
21:43 <NerdStrutomX> can we all agree this is shit and move on to an older video that'll hopefully kick its ass?
21:43 <DriftRoot> This chatroom is infested with worms.
21:43 <quadir> I think in a effects experiment like this especially of this length he's going to miss on a lot of points. Probably learned tons, and like I said in my op, it's as bad as some of the best winamp visualizations I have.
21:43 * G_Q agrees with Nerd (Amen)
21:44 <NerdStrutomX> 1)... This was him experimenting?
21:44 <DriftRoot> Was it an experiment?
21:44 <DriftRoot> lol
21:44 <NerdStrutomX> and 2)...People agreeing with me frightens me
21:44 <quadir> (almost) everyone seemed to at least pick up on one place they thought fit
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21:44 <godix> quadir: I've done an effects experiment before so let me point out something you may not realize. When experimenting it is vitally important to realize when your experiment fails and delete it. You don't just keep it in and move on to another experiment.
21:44 <quadir> ngsilver: grab it in the topic before it's gone!
21:44 <DriftRoot> Yah, don't let the world see your failed experiments!
21:44 <ngsilver> i hate having to work till 9 now
21:44 <quadir> DriftRoot: GROAN
21:45 <NerdStrutomX> ngsilver
21:45 <NerdStrutomX> for the love of god NOOOOO!!!!
21:45 <quadir> NerdStrutomX: can it
21:45 <DriftRoot> what? Especially if it's been done before, and better!!
21:45 <NerdStrutomX> -_-
21:45 <DriftRoot> Is it experimenting if someone else has already shown these effects used much better? No.
21:45 <DriftRoot> It's a failed attempt to copy.
21:45 <Eclipse> it could be self-experimentation
21:45 <quadir> anyways, as G_Q said, there is more coming
21:46 <quadir> or wait
21:46 <Eclipse> like he's trying something different from his usual stuff
21:46 <quadir> nerd said
21:46 <godix> DriftRoot: Well, it can be. Just because it's been done before doesn't mean this editor has done it. I've tried to experiment with drama for example and, to me, thats new even though there's tons of it on the org
21:46 <NerdStrutomX> The only thing he experimented with was the portal transition, cookie cutter, and the noise effect
21:46 <ngsilver> wait, a 100 meg 6 min long video with xvid?
21:46 <NerdStrutomX> oh
21:46 <NerdStrutomX> and chroma keyer
21:46 <DriftRoot> Godix: but it's not...look little squares! cool, I want to use little squares!
21:47 <godix> Driftroot: i didn't say it was a good experiment....
21:47 <Hunter> DriftRoot: "what's this "visual effects" stuff?"
21:47 <DriftRoot> I think we agreed it was failed
21:47 <DriftRoot> Hunter: eh?
21:47 <Hunter> DR: nevermind
21:49 <quadir> I appreciate a lot of stuff that isn't on that red line, so when someone makes an honest attempt I can see where they pulled it off and be right there with them in that triumph.
21:50 <DriftRoot> It would take me 80 years to make 40 videos at the right I'm going, so I don't have much choice BUT to improve at a ridiculous rate.
21:50 <godix> quadir: OTOH originality is not hard. I've ranted before about that and gave half a dozen ideas off the top of my head which I don't recall anyone even attempting.
22:12 <quadir> and main vid had high points, just have to turn down the "does this belong in the top 10%" to "is this the best vid this week"

Log is pretty huge this time, not that edited for OT so it could still use some cutting. I'm a bit disappointed at the signal to noise ratio we're starting to get as more people jump on, so we'll be trying a few subtle changes next week to see if we can't curb that and stay focused more.

[inthesto]

God dammit, I forget to go on the week you use a video with audio I like.

[Emong]

I don't know what to think about this video :/ I didn't quite get the concept and I actually forgot I was watching the video at the 5-minute mark or so, which is quite rare thing for me to do since I adore long, non-MEP AMVs =P The effects didn't get boring but they were completely out of focus most of the time.

Anyways, it was a relaxing AMV? O.o

[DriftRoot]

Quadir, you took out your scathing comment that prompted my comment: "...it would take me 80 years to make 40 AMVs..."

Oh, and sorry for contributing to the S:N ratio. Next time I'll rein in comments about upcoming movies. THAT should have been edited out. Or are you trying to make me seem more utterly random than I actually am?

[quadir]

Eh, you're right. I was trying to cut the log file down bellow 500 lines but I decided to just leave it as is. Looks like I didn't press undo enough times. Sorry about that, I'll be more careful next time.

[Sukunai]

We have a perfectly available forum for reviews/recommends/suggestions do we not?

[NS]

We have a perfectly available forum for reviews/recommends/suggestions do we not?

no u.


Other then that. Usually I can think of something redeeming in the videos we Review...

no.

[quadir]

Hi lestheanimesarge, thanks for taking time to check us out.

We have a perfectly available forum for reviews/recommends/suggestions do we not?

We actually started in the op forums, since its description says:

This forum is for members who are willing to volunteer opinions about your video.

And we felt we were discussing your video, even if you didn't post it.

At first glance you would think that a recommendation forum would also be a good place for this. However if you go into it you quickly notice that it is geared as a categorized and moderated video list, not a discussion forum. Here's an except from its rules:

4. This is not a discussion forum. Any posts that are not making recommendations will be removed.

Adding New Threads and any other suggestions
The topics can only be added by admins.

As you can see it's not a good fit for the amv-review. We make seperate threads because

• * topics are locked after awhile so we would be forced to anyways (We've been running this every week for 6 months now)
  * separate topics allows people to discuss that week's video separately from people who may still be discussing a previous video (am I dreaming?)

In the end and after talking it over with a mod, we felt the general forum was the best place.

General AMV
This forum is for the general discussion of Anime Music Videos.

What did you think of the video this week lestheanimesarge?

[NS]

In before "wait.. you reviewed a video?.. Sorry I was just trying to bitch about something"

>_>.

Quadir you're so docile here, but in the IRC are evil. PURE EVIL!!!!