AMV Review #36: Ingo Kranz' Farewell Letter

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This week's moderated discussion video:
Ingo Kranz (Ingow) - 2006 - Farewell Letter
Category: Character Profile
Anime: Loveless
Song: Jedi Mind Tricks - Before the Great Collapse

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Category: Action
Anime: FLCL [Spoilers]
Song: Caesars Palace - Jerk it out

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Discussion:

20:32 <quadir> Ingo Kranz (Ingow) - 2006 - Farewell Letter
20:32 <inthesto> onos, hip-hop
20:33 <DriftRoot> It's not that bad
20:33 <Niotex> This video has nothing to do with me.. I swear..
20:33 <inthesto> I've apparently watched this before
20:34 <DriftRoot> It's got Alvin & the Chipmunks
20:34 <Nojiko> Lol
20:34 <quadir> Niotex: except your PICTURE IS ON IT
20:34 <inthesto> If Mitch had something to do with it, that means I'm about to watch a ton of child porn
20:34 <Niotex> wait since when is my picture on it?
20:35 <DriftRoot> Surprisingly, given that it's Loveless, there is very little r-rated insinuation
20:35 <quadir> Niotex: http://a-m-v.org/user/ingow
20:35 <inthesto> Ugh
20:35 <Niotex> <_< thats not me
20:35 <inthesto> Granted, I don't have much experience with Jedi Mind Tricks, but what I have heard from them is terrible
20:35 <Niotex> thats another Niotex
20:35 <Niotex> who am I kidding
20:35 <Niotex> Ingow is awesome
20:35 <Nojiko> Wait, someone say Jedi Mind Tricks?
20:35 <Nojiko> Isn't that some c-rap group?
20:36 <inthesto> Yes.
20:36 <quadir> yet like love is flowers, the video is decent
20:37 <inthesto> It's a good video, but I can't stand the audio
20:37 * Nojiko prepares.
20:37 <Nojiko> ...
20:37 <Nojiko> It sounds like someone's killing a chipmunk?
20:37 * inthesto replaces audio with The Roots - What's Going On
20:37 <DriftRoot> hehehehe
20:37 <inthesto> Much better.
20:38 <Nojiko> Woah, furry anime?
20:38 <Nojiko> That I haven't seen?
20:38 <Nojiko> Wuzzat? o.o
20:38 <DriftRoot> :? Don't tell me I'm still the only one here who's seen Loveless?
20:38 <quadir> inthesto: sortof like http://a-m-v.org/video/34919 eh?
20:38 <Nojiko> Lol
20:38 <quadir> DriftRoot: you had to ask?
20:38 <quadir> although IIRC we've done a loveless vid before
20:38 <DriftRoot> Yes
20:38 <DriftRoot> Emong's, yes
20:38 <inthesto> I haven't seen that video, but I find BSB much more tolerable than JMT
20:39 <Nojiko> I think both shouldn't be listened to
20:39 <Nojiko> Although, for a (c)rap video, it's not bad.
20:40 <Nojiko> It's the best video I've seen with (c)rap music.
20:40 <DriftRoot> The chipmunks give it that extra something special
20:40 <Nojiko> He shoulda masked in a chipmunk getting shot in it.
20:40 <DriftRoot> LOL
20:40 <Nojiko> That woulda made it epic.
20:40 <inthesto> You're really clever
20:41 <Nojiko> Not really. I'm actually a total dumbass, but thanks for the (possibly sarcastic?) compliment =D
20:43 <DriftRoot> "The entire world's a graveyard." Anyone else think that sounds like Christopher Walken? :D
20:45 <quadir> question: does the original song include chipmunks, and the non-rap intro?
20:46 * DriftRoot cracks up evertime she hears that line
20:46 <DriftRoot> The chipmunks are throughout the song...
20:46 <DriftRoot> So I'm guessing yes
20:46 <quadir> I'm just wondering if it's a remix
20:46 <DriftRoot> Not sure about the commentary at the beginning, though.
20:46 <DriftRoot> Hrmm
20:47 <Fall_Child42> I think it is an ingenious use of colour and motion along with the texts of the song to convey a humorus but still slightly melencholic tale of a young boys coming of age.
20:48 <DriftRoot> *evil buzzer sound*
20:48 <Nojiko> I don't think it's a remix
20:48 <Nojiko> I've heard various chipmunks in JMT songs
20:50 <DriftRoot> I'm not finding any details on this being a remix. Some of their other stuff was remixed, but it doesn't look like this was.
20:51 <DriftRoot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_the ... ollapse.22
20:51 <DriftRoot> It's pulling audio from other sources
20:51 <DriftRoot> Not a remix, though.
20:52 <quadir> k
21:01 <Kionon> shitty quality is shitty
21:01 * DriftRoot shovels on the cat litter
21:01 <Kionon> I can see pixelation at even the original resolution.
21:01 <Kionon> ...wut
21:02 <Kionon> the flashing words = lose
21:02 <quadir> So putting fall child's sentence into google turned up some interesting results. Anyone else overcome the vid/audio quality and rap style to find something they enjoyed?
21:02 <quadir> Kionon: yeah, I always felt flashing words was a huge cop-out
21:02 <DriftRoot> I enjoyed how he downplayed the yaoi elements
21:02 <Kionon> Okay, I got to 3:10, then I turned it off.
21:02 <DriftRoot> Loveless has a lot of pretty dark themes, and they come through here WITHOUT resorting to yaoi
21:02 <Kionon> I couldn't even watch this.
21:03 <quadir> DriftRoot: hm, having seen the series would you compare it to the serious mahoro vid we reviewed?
21:03 <Kionon> I disagree.
21:03 <DriftRoot> O dpm
21:03 <Kionon> I didn't get any story line
21:03 <DriftRoot> blej
21:03 <DriftRoot> BLEH
21:03 <DriftRoot> quadir: I didn't see that mahoro vid
21:03 <Kionon> all I got was "life suck, waaa waaa waaa, emo rap shit, kitty ears"
21:03 <quadir> DriftRoot: you really should go back to the previous reviews for some vid digging :)
21:03 <quadir> at least some of the bonus
21:03 <Kionon> This is, in a word, terrible.
21:03 <DriftRoot> Yeah, well...
21:04 * DriftRoot points to 56K modem
21:04 <Kionon> I've see, I HAVE, much better from Ingow.
21:04 <Kionon> This is arguably the worst work I have ever seen by Ingow. Pretty much period.
21:04 <quadir> DriftRoot: yeah well you seem to grab these just fine!
21:04 <PaperIsland> I liked the beginning, I thought it was too long and the pace got tiresome
21:04 * Kionon tries to start watching it again.
21:04 <quadir> Kionon: pretty harsh statement.
21:04 <DriftRoot> I'm at work, it's a special treat, this is one of five AMVs I am able to download per week.
21:04 <teya> heh took me a while to figure out how to connect again
21:05 <Kionon> It's visually and audibly painful.
21:05 <Kionon> The mixes, while artistic, are just annoying.
21:05 <DriftRoot> That's not the fault of the editor
21:05 <Kionon> The beginning does have nice sync.
21:05 <Kionon> ...Yes it is.
21:05 <Kionon> He chose it.
21:05 <DriftRoot> Ah, right....
21:05 <quadir> hey g_q
21:06 <quadir> Kionon: love is harsh
21:06 <G_Q> Good evening :)
21:06 <DriftRoot> evenin'
21:06 <Kionon> This is simply too busy.
21:06 <Orwell> The end does have some nice sync as well I thought, but for beyond the intro/ending, I tend to agree with kio that a lot of it is flawed. Though I at least find it watchable
21:06 <Orwell> I liked the style of the text, though it's use was rather poor
21:06 <DriftRoot> I appreciated the internal sync, right in the middle of all the external syncing, he still got some nice internals
21:07 <Kionon> Combined with visual shittiness, and audio I can't really get into, with random "iwannalistentolinkinparkandcutmyself" scenes...
21:07 <quadir> clearly this is a lyric sync video
21:07 <DriftRoot> Having said that, I wish the footage hadn't been sped up and slowed down so obviously so many times to achieve that internal synching.
21:07 <quadir> but I really didn't get the randomness feeling I get from most lyric sync videos
21:07 <PaperIsland> I think as a lyric synch video, the creator should have been more willing to linger on some scenes for dramatic effect
21:08 <DriftRoot> quadir: the song is pretty straightforward, not random at all
21:08 <Kionon> This video is too audibly fast for simple lyrical sync.
21:08 <quadir> DriftRoot: still people too often pick random matching scenes that don't flow together at all
21:08 <Kionon> You try to catch internal and external sound sync and it makes you want to rip out your eyes when you fail.
21:08 <Orwell> it had vague lyric sync, but, it's very ambiguity I find more annoying than disregarding it altogether
21:08 <DriftRoot> Yes, in my op I complained that the song was pretty simple, but the effects he threw in many times were overkill
21:08 <Kionon> It's a bad combination. It's that simply.
21:08 <Kionon> It's. Bad.
21:09 <Orwell> needs more American Gangster
21:09 <quadir> in this case I felt like he'd put some thought to telling a story with the video, turn the audio off and watch it. so the audio simply becomes a naration of a story that is already there
21:09 <Kionon> It's not that it's bad editing.
21:09 <Kionon> Exactly.
21:09 <Kionon> It's just...
21:09 <Kionon> Wrong.
21:09 <Kionon> It doesn't work.
21:09 <Kionon> It. Fails.
21:09 <DriftRoot> Problem is, it's not completely there...I thought the song was a heck of a lot stronger - story wise - than the footage he chose.
21:09 <Kionon> I hate to seem like such a jerk...
21:10 <Kionon> But if I had to actually turn it off, then...
21:10 <DriftRoot> then...
21:10 <Kionon> It hurt.
21:10 <DriftRoot> :(
21:10 <DriftRoot> A chipmunk just died somwhere.
21:10 <PaperIsland> Well, on another note... does anyone see a good reason for choosing loveless?
21:11 <PaperIsland> Like, why did the creator feel the song and video should be put together
21:11 <DriftRoot> WELL...it actually makes a lot of sense. The lyrics match what was going on in the series pretty well.
21:11 <quadir> because it's source.
21:12 <Kionon> Because loveless, like many shota yoi themed stuff has a character that is crAAAAAAAAAAAAAwling in mAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh skIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIn?
21:12 <DriftRoot> The kid there, what's his name, feels he caused his mother to go psycho after his brother was murdered.
21:12 <DriftRoot> She consequently abuses him, and he does nothing about it.
21:13 <Kionon> ....these wounds they will not heal, etc.
21:13 <DriftRoot> Yeap
21:13 <Kionon> I saw what he was trying to do.
21:13 <Kionon> It was just... bad.
21:13 <DriftRoot> The Souji, the white haired guy, is basically presented as a savior/pedophile
21:14 <Fall_Child42> you are all just biased because you all hate gay shit.
21:14 <Kionon> I'm a fuckin trap, so shut yo' mouth.
21:14 <Fall_Child42> or shota shit
21:14 <Kionon> I love me some shota. I do not love me some emo, cut myself, rap-metal shota.
21:14 <DriftRoot> Loveless, if you can't tell from this AMV, actually addresses some pretty serious issues. It's not all neko-lovin'
21:14 <quadir> the colour use reminded me of automatic mahoro
21:15 <PaperIsland> I just saw a music video to loveless that I liked by vicbond....
21:15 <Fall_Child42> see Kio You're biased based on the other factor.
21:15 <quadir> Kionon: I'm with fc here, it sounds like your prejudices are showing. Not the same he named but still.
21:15 <Kionon> I've seen several good loveless vids.
21:15 <Fall_Child42> :O
21:15 <Kionon> quadir: Possibly.
21:15 <Kionon> But this is an opinion.
21:16 <PaperIsland> I didn't hate it like Kionon... but is there anyone here who it really connected with and cares to defend it?
21:16 <Kionon> I personally felt the combination, with the specific editing approach, failed to deliver an adequate storyline.
21:17 <DriftRoot> I already said kinda the same thing, so I agree.
21:17 <Orwell> I feel like it has a memorable place in my heart. Wait, the trashcan icon changed.
21:17 <Kionon> (Again, I must clearly state, since this will be posted, I like Ingow. I think Ingo is a good editor. This is not at all personal.)
21:17 <quadir> here's the mahoro video I'm talking about that pulls out darker themes and has great colour use: http://a-m-v.org/video/17100
21:17 <Orwell> Though I will say it was a valid attempt that I think just utterly fails with the source combination more than anything
21:17 <DriftRoot> It's never a good sign when I stop watching an AMV the second we start reviewing it.
21:17 <DriftRoot> Thanks quadir, I'll DL it tomorrow
21:18 <Kionon> So, see, I am not the only who had to stop the video?
21:18 <teya> hm
21:18 <DriftRoot> I had already watched it three or four times by that point. I'm just saying that I saw no reason to continue looping it while we discuss.
21:18 <teya> i have a prejudice against rap
21:18 <teya> (just finished downloading)
21:19 <Kionon> Was I the only one who failed to watch it to the end once?
21:19 <quadir> teya: I think most of the people around here do.
21:19 <quadir> if you go back and view the other hip hop video's we've discussed, it comes through pretty clearly
21:19 <DriftRoot> I look at this rap this way: it could have been worse.
21:19 <teya> quadir: yeah
21:19 <quadir> Kionon: I probably wouldn't of liked it as much as I do without the chipmunks and the intro
21:19 <teya> but really
21:20 <teya> it's hard to like a vid if you don't like the song
21:20 <DriftRoot> Alvin, Simon, Theodore!
21:20 <Kionon> I really was honest. It really was painful to me.
21:20 <Kionon> Harsh, but not hyperbole.
21:20 <teya> did someone also already mention the bright lights?
21:20 <teya> as being hard to watch
21:21 <quadir> I think in the end I'm going to stand by my view of this as a really good example of a lyric sync vid, that twists it's footage to a large degree to meet it's ends.
21:21 <DriftRoot> I kind of liked the shinies, if that's what you're referring to. The first few times, anyways, after that my sneaking suspicioun that the effects were being tossed in to cover up other things is a valid one.
21:21 <quadir> maybe the straightforwardness of the song lends itself to video cohesiveness
21:22 <teya> quadir: that's true, the footage was tweaked a lot
21:22 <quadir> but digging through the amv announcement forum every week, I'm not convinced.
21:22 <quadir> but the mahoro vid may prejudice me towards the effect use in this video.
21:22 <Kionon> I'd still say this video failed on a most basic level.
21:22 <teya> DriftRoot: probably same thing, but my new monitor is making bright white hard to look at =D
21:23 <Kionon> I feel like such an asshole, but I don't mean to be. :/
21:23 <DriftRoot> Ah, yeah, that'll do it.
21:23 <DriftRoot> As long as you're honest, then hey...and like you said, you know he's done better vids.
21:23 <quadir> Kionon: fyi this video makes me more interested in loveless then any other vid so far, and we reviewed another good one.
21:24 <Kionon> This is not an accurate depicition of loveless.
21:24 <quadir> and I don't believe I can attribute that to emo shit, as I've been impervious to death note so far, despite seeing a few eps
21:24 <Kionon> Even Ingow admits it.
21:24 <quadir> Kionon: no, it's not. like how matt's mahoro video isn't.
21:24 <teya> hmhmhm
21:24 <DriftRoot> It's not, quadir, this is an extremely narrow view of Loveless
21:24 <quadir> Kionon: and yet both make me say, "what is it he's managed to pull out here?"
21:24 <teya> is there a good spot that shows lip sync?
21:24 <quadir> teya: only 1 IMO
21:24 <teya> i didn't see it
21:25 <teya> quadir: where?
21:25 * Kionon shrugs.
21:25 <quadir> 1 that is "decent" and plenty that are "average"
21:25 <quadir> if not completely lip flap
21:25 <Kionon> What I want to know is why such a shitty encode job?
21:25 <Kionon> That surprised me as well.
21:25 <quadir> Kionon: you're a series knowledge guy, so maybe something that creates it's own narative isn't your cup of tea?
21:25 <teya> imo you need to be more obvious to count it as lip sync
21:25 <Kionon> Ingow doesn't usually allow macroblocking.
21:26 <Kionon> quadir: That's it exactly, actually.
21:26 <Kionon> I'm not a fan of alternative vids, but there are execeptions.
21:26 <DriftRoot> Yah, this would have been a good bit better if the footage was clean.
21:26 <quadir> teya: 1:36
21:26 <quadir> teya: look at the left side of the screen
21:26 <DriftRoot> This is almost like bad fansub quality footage...
21:26 <Kionon> I have a love hate relationship with MeriC and VegettoEx's Something Corporate KOR vid.
21:26 <quadir> yeah the video quality is bad, so is the audio ugh
21:27 <Kionon> It suggests that Madoka is sleeping around in order to work, and that pisses me off.
21:27 <Kionon> But the video is still awesome.
21:27 <quadir> I have so many old .mpg and .rm amvs that I have soft spots for, that even though I'm now used to shiny .mp4 I can still completely overcome video quality
21:27 <Kionon> It might not have been as painful if they were clean.
21:27 * G_Q had the same lip sync issue that teya had.
21:28 <quadir> especially since the glow and grain stuff in the video make it a bit more acceptable
21:28 <G_Q> Otherwise, it looked good to me, even though it's not the type of music I'm into.
21:28 <G_Q> I'd accept the video and sound issues for compression.
21:28 <Kionon> It made me physically ill.
21:28 <Kionon> But I'm ultra sensitive to stuff like that.
21:29 <teya> quadir: 1:36 is so short... but i see it
21:29 * quadir nods.
21:29 <quadir> teya: there's another moment with that voice and that character that is decent
21:29 <Kionon> We all know I have a shitfit when something isn't in the right AR.
21:29 <quadir> the rest is on the main char but it doesn't work, it comes out as lip flap
21:29 <DriftRoot> AMV-Review should carry the Surgeon General's warning: may be hazardous to Kionon's health.
21:29 <Kionon> So dial down my reaction if you want to.
21:33 <Nojiko> It coulda used a chipmunk masked in getting shot
21:33 <teya> i could see the effort put into it, it just didn't do anything for me
21:33 <Nojiko> Like I said earlier
21:33 <DriftRoot> If you like Loveless, watch this AMV.
21:33 <Nojiko> If you hate rap, don't go near it
21:34 <Kionon> If crappy source makes you ill, this one isn't for you.
21:34 <dokidoki> I agree with teya.
21:34 * G_Q x3
21:34 <quadir> I like AU and videos that pull out a theme that wasn't on the surface while not feeling like a shonen bushido collage, so this video really dit it for me despite my general dislike of rap like everyone else.
21:34 <PaperIsland> I like rap
21:35 <PaperIsland> We don't all hate rap here
21:35 <DriftRoot> I don't hate it, I just don't ever listen to it.
21:35 <Kionon> I hate it.
21:35 <PaperIsland> It's not my favorite genre, but I still like a decent number of songs... so I would say that didn't really sway my opinion of the AMV
21:36 <DriftRoot> Like I said before, this could have been a lot worse, rap-wise.
21:36 <DriftRoot> Chipmunks made it kind of memorable, for me. hehe

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[Ingow]

lots of people that talk about me, I like that

21:04 <Kionon> This is arguably the worst work I have ever seen by Ingow. Pretty much period.

I am so glad that somebody finally says this, I was really getting sick of the "Farewell Letter is the only good video you've ever done" opinions I actually agree with most of what you said in the discussion, so no offense taken at all. Oh and chipmunks are ESSENTIAL to good rap tracks IMO

anyways, thanks for the feedback everyone :>

20:35 <Niotex> Ingow is awesome

you don't have to tell people, they know.

[quadir]

I hate it when I'm the only one who likes a vid, including the editor himself. ><
Although I think crack is with me here... c'mon!

[CrackTheSky]

I hate it when I'm the only one who likes a vid, including the editor himself. ><
Although I think crack is with me here... c'mon!

Yes, I thoroughly enjoy this video...scanned through the log, it seemed a lot of the negativity this video was receiving was based on the fact that the song used was rap, but if that's not entirely true, forgive me.

Great storytelling, great flow...I personally just really liked it, despite what anyone else says

[bobbias]

I'm sick of all the negativity towards Rap. I mean, I certainly hate 50Cent and all that gangster Rap. I hate the culture that everyone connects Rap with. But I don't hate Rap. Jedi Mind Tricks is one of the best Hip-Hop/Rap artists out there. Lyrically, he's a poet.

In any case, Here's what I think of the video:

The first verse felt nicely put together. the timing felt right, the clips matched the lyrics fairly well, and it gave the right sort of atmosphere, but from the song and from the clips.

The movie quote part was amazing. I haven't seen loveless so I can't comment on the significance of the clips used there, but they fit perfectly, and gave it an even creepier feel.

The one thing I don't like was when you pasted the lyrics over the video. I'm not sure why you did that, but I think you could have been more artistic about that. You could have found a better way than pasting huge capital letters in our face with no warning.

After the second verse the video gets better. I really enjoyed the ending of the video. It had a very strong feeling to it. Nice job. I can't compare it to your other videos because I haven't seen any, but this is certainly a solid video. I'd give it a solid 4/5.

the random lyrics thrown at us near the start of verse 2, as well as the fact that visually, it was a little bad, bring it down from a 5. It also didn't have too many scenes that just floored me. The ending and the movie sample between verses being the exception. (Is the emptiness in the color just the Xvid, or are the colors not very vibrant in that anime? I haven't seen loveless, so I don't know how the source would have ideally looked.)

[Ingow]

I hate it when I'm the only one who likes a vid, including the editor himself. ><

I didn't mean it like that, I still like it as far as my videos go, it's just not really in the top ranks

Great storytelling, great flow...I personally just really liked it, despite what anyone else says

hey, I can live with that

I'm sick of all the negativity towards Rap. I mean, I certainly hate 50Cent and all that gangster Rap. I hate the culture that everyone connects Rap with. But I don't hate Rap. Jedi Mind Tricks is one of the best Hip-Hop/Rap artists out there. Lyrically, he's a poet.

Ah, finally someone that knows about JMT with actually having listened to them
My guess is that it wasn't really the best idea to combine rap with a song that's got suicide as a topic since that already mixes up with the emo scene and that means rap + emo in an AMV and that makes people angry very fast. Probably should've used Uncommon Valor as audio or something but y'know, not that many animes out there with soldiers running around in a jungle-type area...What I'm trying to say is there's not that many alternatives I could've gone with regarding audio selection from that particular band.

The one thing I don't like was when you pasted the lyrics over the video. I'm not sure why you did that, but I think you could have been more artistic about that. You could have found a better way than pasting huge capital letters in our face with no warning.

You know in a lot of rap tracks there's this one moment when you really like a line you start to listen to a song mainly because of it and you always feel the track the hardest at that exact moment and that was my line so I wanted to enforce it (just for me I guess though).

(Is the emptiness in the color just the Xvid, or are the colors not very vibrant in that anime? I haven't seen loveless, so I don't know how the source would have ideally looked.)

loveless does unfortunately look that way when it comes to the colors

[bobbias]

Ahh, wasn't sure on that part, and I do understand what you're talking about with the lyrics. I know AMVs are always kinda on a broink between being made for yourself, and for the viewer, and you put that in there for yourself. I understand why you did it, but as a viewer (and from an aesthetic standpoint, coming from a wannabe editor, lol) it just seems kinda random. Oh well, it's your video

And yes, of the rap I'm willing to listen to, JMT is one of my favourites. I have the new Saul Williams album on here, and it's amazing. I also respect and like Immortal Technique. IT caught me when I heard Dance With the Devil.

And your comment about rap+emo just made me laugh. Once again, an AMV is what the editor makes it. As much as you might hate any AMV, to the editor who made it, it's something special. Don't ever let the viewers convince you that a video has no meaning.

Actually, I feel kinda bad about myself after posting that, because I've been bashing some poorly edited AMVs on yootoobe lately. Of course, I get angry comments back from unreasonable people, bot fans, and the editor at times, who I tend to argue with a bit. But I still don't call those videos utter crap, despite what the blind fools might say in defense of it. I call the editing bad. That video will always have meaning to the person who edited it, and to the people who watch it and feel what the editor wanted them to, no matter how poorly edited it really was.

I posted that because I think it illustrates my point quite a bit more cleaerly than the part before it.

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amv-review tonight, come on in we're doing a double-feature so sooner you get here the sooner you get em.