AMV Review #25: SoH's Happy Colors

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This week's video:
(SoH) - 2007 - Happy Colors
Category: Dance
Anime: Ghibli Mélange
Song: Genki Rockets - Heavenly Stars
Song MV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2od1AF_Cs (heavily used in this video)

Bonus Video:
Wesley Reaves (lordspork) - 2002 - Frontier Psychatrist (right click, save as)
Category: Parody
Anime: Black Heaven
Song: Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry
Song MV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wgDcoRIachM (original video parodied)

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Discussion:
IRC Participants: godix, Hunter (The Origonal Head Hunter - Lash Walker), inthesto (Alex Ying), Kionon, melee (meleechampion - Bobby Millward), NerdStrudel (Blain T.), ngsilver (Nathan), Orwell, PaperIsland (Nathaniel Sticco), purplepolecat (James Dury), quadir (Olivier Beaton), RathiSponge (Billy Welch), teya

20:33 <quadir> Video: (SoH) - 2007 - Happy Colors
20:33 <quadir> Link: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=149632
20:33 <quadir> Category: Dance
20:33 <quadir> Anime: Gibli Shit
20:33 <quadir> Song: Genki Rockets - Heavenly Stars
20:34 * ngsilver goes searching for the vid in his download folder
20:35 <ngsilver> thats right, for some stupid reason the x264 doest play in MPC
20:36 <godix> ngsliver: I'm watching it in MPC right now.
20:36 <ngsilver> I don't understand it, I have CCCP, and the video just doesn't show up in MPC
20:37 <G_Q> I think the necessary driver is missing from the CCCP version.
20:37 <Hunter> Nerd: just imagine if skittles and DANSU had an incestous child
20:37 <ngsilver> it's been happening reciently
20:37 <godix> hunter: Actually i was thinking the really old video Take On Me.
20:37 <NerdStrudel> seen skittles. Not sure if i've seen dansu. But i'm pretty sure I get what you're getting at
20:38 <quadir> godix: "Take on Me" http://youtube.com/watch?v=CUod3jGQt0U
20:38 <quadir> godix: you thought of that too eh?
20:38 <quadir> it's fairly different but similar/unique enough to stand out
20:38 <godix> quadir: Yeah. I always wanted to see an AMV emulate that video to. ALthough, not like this.
20:39 <NerdStrudel> ok so now I can expect the pencil look and stuff i suppose
20:39 <godix> quadir: I mean think about it, with the few attempts at manga music videos wouldn't that take on me video work very well for blending together manga and anime source?
20:40 <godix> Hell, given the songs meaning and the video someone could do almost a direct copy using OMG and have it work rather well.
20:40 <NerdStrudel> I like the RBF version of that song more
20:41 <NerdStrudel> but then again. given my obsession with ska. I suppose that's a given
20:42 <godix> Video quality was at least worthy a decent score.
20:43 <godix> And, uhhh, well... he spelled the title correctly. Gotta give effort points for that.
20:43 <NerdStrudel> so..what did they use for the pencil looking source
20:43 <Hunter> Nerd: another video?
20:44 <NerdStrudel> <_<
20:46 <teya> is the sketchy stuff possibly from the original music video of the song?
20:46 <NerdStrudel> teya: I was thinking the same thing
20:47 <purplepolecat> The original vid for this song is on the tube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2od1AF_Cs
20:47 <purplepolecat> and yeah, it's all pencilly
20:48 <teya> yep there we go
20:48 <godix> I see. The problem here isn't that whoever edited this sucks, it's that tried emulating the original video which sucks.
20:48 * Hunter agrees with godix
20:49 <NerdStrudel> I figured they at least went through the effort of adding on an effect to make it look all pencily
20:50 <NerdStrudel> but nope
20:50 <purplepolecat> OMG, it's not emualation, it's just ripped off.
20:50 <purplepolecat> It's just an overlay of anime on the orignal video.
20:50 <NerdStrudel> just randomly slapped unchanged footage (cept for a chroma keyer here and there) behind anime
20:52 <quadir> you guys need to lighten up and watch more vidding stuff
20:52 <Kionon> I'm not sure I actually care what it actually is.
20:52 <Kionon> I just like the effect.
21:01 <godix> We've had worse in here. It's just the fact that so much of the video is just copied from the original video really pulled down a lot of the scores for me
21:02 <quadir> I hadn't seen the original for my first impression, so I op'ed before
21:02 <godix> I was in middle of oping when it was linked. Several scores got an immediate adjustment
21:03 <Hunter> I was just finishing and had to go rewrite 3 or 4 scores
21:04 <G_Q> Overall, a really average vid.
21:05 <NerdStrudel> oh shit I totally forgot about this
21:05 <NerdStrudel> where are we?
21:05 <Hunter> Nerd: pre review insults
21:05 <ngsilver> o shi.... updating op
21:12 <quadir> so to start us off, those who haven't should probably take a peek at the original music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2od1AF_Cs
21:13 <quadir> at first viewing I knew the drawings weren't done by him, nor were they likely a filter but I did think some of the things like the birds and rainbow might have been him, no such luck
21:14 <godix> I really don't like how much of the original video he used. That was a huge turnoff. Plus the anime he threw in didn't add anything, if I ever want to see this song in a video again I'd rather look up the original video than watch his
21:14 <quadir> godix: dance?
21:14 <Hunter> what they said, it seemed like they just threw scenes of people staring at the camera ontop of the original video
21:14 <teya> i found that some of the anime clips were cut badly
21:14 <godix> quadir: No dance
21:14 <Orwell> Didn't care for the song, and while some of the effects I liked, there was so much of a rip off of the original video, which sucks anyways, plus using Ghibly stuff spelled correctly I don't like anyways...
21:14 <teya> chopping off parts at odd places
21:15 <quadir> godix: it's a feeling not what the characters are doing
21:15 <ngsilver> my first impression was this video took a while to do, with a lot of effects, then I find out that all the cool stuff and the good looking footage came from the origional music video and my opinion of the video dropped exponentialy
21:15 <purplepolecat> I thought the scene selection was mostly random, there was no sync to speak of, and the frame composition was pretty messy in places.
21:15 <Rathisponge> I didnt find much direction within this amv and I also felt that it was repetitive with scene selection
21:15 <godix> He feel into the trap that is all too common these days, he figured it doesn't matter what he shows the effects would make it upbeat. Bullshit. To be upbeat you gotta use upbeat footage.
21:15 <ngsilver> the anime scenes used mostly contradicted the happyness of the video, as most of the time they are looking sad
21:15 <Kionon> Okay, I admit, now that I have seen the source vid.
21:16 <Kionon> I am much less impressed.
21:16 <ngsilver> not to mention that the quality was especially worse on the anime scenes then the background
21:16 <godix> What's really sad, I know all the ghibli movies he used. There are TONS of upbeat scenes in any of them that could have been used instead.
21:16 <Rathisponge> I did not care for portions when the anime character was moving their lips
21:16 <purplepolecat> Basically the original video "carried" this. The anime scenes didn't add much to the video watching experience.
21:16 <teya> was he trying for upbeat?
21:16 <Kionon> The only thing that really pissed me off about the vide though was-
21:17 <godix> plus who the hell takes the effort to chromakey or rotoscope or whatever he did and still leave all that lipflap?
21:17 <Kionon> Yeah, the lip flap.
21:17 <teya> i got more of an impression of peaceful.. flying
21:17 <Kionon> The lip flap annoyed me to no end.
21:17 <NerdStrudel> lip flap bugged the fuck out of me
21:17 <godix> teya: the video is marked as upbeat/dance
21:17 <teya> oh
21:17 <ngsilver> yes, I wanted there to be a lip sync section so I could rate it a 1
21:17 <teya> well then
21:17 <Hunter> godix: to its defense, if you take out all the anime footage, it is upbeat
21:17 <Kionon> I give it an overall 6.
21:17 <godix> Oddly enough, there is lipsync of a sort here. In the original music video. He didn't remove it.
21:17 <NerdStrudel> that doesn't count / cause / it doesn't
21:18 <quadir> if you want another video that uses A LOT of source footage as comparison, here is the VCA 2006 Best Video of the Year: Jihaku - http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... d_id=90488
21:18 <Kionon> It seems to me the majority of what I thought was awesome about the video isn't his.
21:18 <teya> and good that he didn't try to claim it as lip sync
21:18 <Hunter> godix: they didnt actually do it though, it was already there
21:18 <godix> Hunter: As I said, if I ever feel the urge to see a video to this song I'll look up the original video instead of this AMV. The oriignal was better.
21:18 <NerdStrudel> yes, yes. we've all seen jihaku XD / if i've seen it / everybody has seen it
21:18 <Kionon> I haven't/
21:18 <NerdStrudel> cause I don't watch shit
21:18 <Kionon> :P
21:18 <NerdStrudel> as in / I hardly watch anything
21:18 <teya> i dunno if i've seen it
21:18 <NerdStrudel> oh / well then / ok / yah. jihaku kicks ass
21:19 <godix> I give jihaku more props than this. Juhaku seemed more inspired from the video than blatently slapping the video on the timeline and throwing some anime on top of it.
21:19 <NerdStrudel> I actually thought of it when watching this.. with how he used the original Mvid with the anime
21:19 <NerdStrudel> but jihaku is way better
21:19 <godix> Although, I do think jihaku is overrated but that's another argueent
21:19 <quadir> I was unimpressed with jihaku for exacly the same reason. 3/4 of the video is a closeup from the original music video of him screaming into a microphone
21:19 <NerdStrudel> yah. over rated / but I still luff eet
21:19 <Kionon> Okay, the video was mostly just overlays. Admittedly, I don't know how he did it, which is why it was a six.
21:20 <Hunter> there wasn't actual editting in this at all, just faces staring at a screen with a girl behind them singing
21:20 <Kionon> Hunter is correct.
21:20 <quadir> wasn't there masking?
21:20 <Kionon> When I thought he had produced the original video.
21:20 <godix> It had a few upbeat scenes but for the most part, yeah, fail.
21:20 <Kionon> Then I was wowed.
21:21 <NerdStrudel> yes. There was masking / but / just random shit / SHIT I SAY / RANDOM SHIT
21:21 <godix> quadir: Yes but masking these days is no great trick. Even wmm noobs are pulling it off.
21:21 <NerdStrudel> RABBLE / >_<
21:21 <Kionon> But seeing it standing on its own, it just seems... like a cheap attempt to claim credit by association.
21:21 <ngsilver> the masking work was not horrible
21:21 <Hunter> quadir: masking of no movement is simple
21:21 <quadir> purplepolecat: hm, I wouldn't of put it that way but that's a really good way to put it
21:21 <NerdStrudel> Hunter: Or just of lip synch
21:21 <ngsilver> it wasn't wowing either
21:22 <NerdStrudel> random images of a chick on a stick smiling with another chick in pencil Yelling gleefully
21:22 <NerdStrudel> which
21:22 <NerdStrudel> usually
21:22 <Kionon> As I rewatch the video. He produced maybe 50% of the video. And I'm sure one or two people here think I am being too genrous by saying even that.
21:22 <NerdStrudel> sounds to be erotic
21:22 <NerdStrudel> but nto here it wasn't
21:23 <godix> I want to know what his source was. CAuse some spots of the anime look like real shit.
21:23 <Orwell> http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=149632
21:23 <Hunter> godix: fansubs perhaps?
21:23 <NerdStrudel> well
21:23 <inthesto> Okay, five seconds and I already want to shut it off.
21:23 <Kionon> Actually, some of the masking/overlays are badly edged.
21:23 <godix> Looks better than fansubs and these are all titles that have been commercially available for quite awhile, usually fansubs don't touch stuff like that
21:24 <purplepolecat> I just watched the original and the AMV side by side, and the original is not cut up at all. There is one scene where he turned in upside down I think.
21:24 <ngsilver> hmm... the source reminds me of the unfiltered versions off DVD
21:25 <ngsilver> a little filtering would have made the source look better
21:25 <Kionon> There is very little reviewability to this video.
21:25 <inthesto> If this guy is going to do masking, shouldn't he take the extra ten seconds to cut out lip flap?
21:25 <NerdStrudel> i gave it a 2 in reviewability
21:25 <Kionon> sto: we've estab;ished that in spades.
21:25 <Hunter> Kio: my reviewability in the op says it all;
21:25 <Hunter> Review- Simply put: No.
21:25 <teya> might have been better with just stills
21:26 <Kionon> I am bored watching it a second time, and it's because I feel... manipulated by the source material.
21:26 <inthesto> Wait, was most of this video ripped from another vid?
21:26 <Orwell> Godix: Yes.
21:26 <godix> sto: yes. The original offical video for the song.
21:26 <quadir> inthesto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2od1AF_Cs
21:26 <Kionon> Sto: Sorta.
21:26 <NerdStrudel> i watched it once / and just remembered that it sucked
21:26 <purplepolecat> The bottom layer is just the original music video, no cuts or anything.
21:26 <godix> sto: Basically, if you think an effect looked semi-decent, took effort, or in any way was kinda cool then it was from the original video
21:26 <Kionon> It still took a lot of work.
21:26 <Hunter> I watched it twice just to be fair, don't plan to again
21:27 <inthesto> Uh.
21:27 <inthesto> Godix: Yeah, I see that now
21:27 <ngsilver> I usually give a 3, 6, or 10 in reviewability, depending on if I delete it, keep it, or loop it constantly
21:27 <ngsilver> this one got a 6
21:27 <inthesto> I was thinking that he did an okay job of matching the mood of the song, but that's mostly just the original video
21:27 <inthesto> So what we have is a case of lots of shitty masks and not much else.
21:27 <NerdStrudel> nam: what?
21:27 <Kionon> But I think the creator deserves to be made to face up to the fact that we can see through his attempt to claim credit for work he didn't do based on the ignorance of the original music video.
21:28 <NerdStrudel> wait
21:28 <NerdStrudel> this video ripped off another?
21:28 <purplepolecat> He should have made it more clear in the comments section of the AMV's page.
21:28 <NerdStrudel> or are we talking about it trying to shadow Jihaku?
21:28 <Rathisponge> I agree purplepolecat.
21:28 <Kionon> No, no.
21:29 <godix> I think we've made it pretty clear our opinions on his use of the original video in ops and in here.
21:29 <PaperIsland> I'll admit that the video seems a lot less impressive when you see the original music video, but at the same time, don't we steal all the footage we use for AMVS?
21:29 <teya> N-S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL2od1AF_Cs
21:29 <godix> I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he's french and doesn't speak english well. I suspect he wasn't trying to pull a fast one and didn't expect people to think that was his original work.
21:29 <Hunter> PaperIsland: we do, but not as blatantly as this, without giving credit
21:29 <NerdStrudel> so we're saying he just Used the original Myusic vid behind random masked scenes?
21:29 <PaperIsland> He could have changed the flow I guess, the order of the images
21:29 <teya> N-S: that's all we mean by ripping off
21:30 <NerdStrudel> ok / so.. why are we using all these other lines of text to say that with diffrent words / when it was very simply
21:30 <Kionon> godix: I think he was, actually.
21:30 <inthesto> I don't see any praise, though.
21:30 <melee> so should I watch the AMV first or the original video?
21:30 <NerdStrudel> a music video with random anime uin front of it
21:30 <Kionon> I can't prove it, but I honestly believe this was an attempt he thought could succeed, at least for a while.

21:30 <godix> He spelled the words in the title correctly. That's all hte praise I can give this
21:31 <quadir> what did people like in the vid?
21:31 * Hunter agrees with godix
21:31 <Rathisponge> I thought the mood was set very well in this amv
21:31 <Kionon> I liked the song.
21:31 <NerdStrudel> um
21:31 <inthesto> Well, mixing the original video into an AMV is kind of an original idea
21:31 <inthesto> I think
21:31 <NerdStrudel> He...
21:31 <teya> i liked it overall
21:31 <NerdStrudel> uhhh
21:31 <purplepolecat> the masking is pretty good, and there's lots of it, so it must have taken a long time.
21:31 <NerdStrudel> he / ...
21:31 <Kionon> It fit, and even without the original video, it would have fit still.
21:31 <teya> Rathisponge: i agree about the mood
21:31 <inthesto> Rathi: I was thinking the same thing, but that may just be residue from the original video
21:31 <godix> If I didn't see the original video I would have praised his effects work even though I didn't like it.
21:31 <ngsilver> it remineded me of Take on ME
21:31 <Rathisponge> I think he had vey good scene selections and good integration of the original video
21:31 <teya> the layering was also pretty good
21:31 <Kionon> It reminded us all of take on me.
21:31 <Kionon> But that's the original video.
21:32 <NerdStrudel> and.. / ... / he uh...
21:32 <godix> sto: No it isn't. A video that did exactly that won VCA awards before/
21:32 <Kionon> Not the creator
21:32 <Orwell> The masking wasn't too bad at all, and I thought he, at times, made creative use of the text effects, and placement of the layers, like at the point with the rainbow
21:32 <NerdStrudel> well... he did... / uhhhhh
21:32 <Rathisponge> I liked the "overlay" of the anime with the original at 1:51 and :10
21:32 <inthesto> godix: Yes, but I pretend that video doesnt exit
21:32 <NerdStrudel> well, he tried to...
21:32 <inthesto> *exist
21:32 <Kionon> There were mashup scenes that showed a creative edge
21:32 <NerdStrudel> ummm
21:32 <Kionon> An understanding thw two groups could be used together for a cohesive whole.
21:32 <godix> Most of the cutouts weren't bad. A few were, but for the most part he did a fairly decent job of it.
21:32 <quadir> I actually thought the whole layering ontop of the original music video was cool, once I accepted it. AMVs that incorporate MVs traditionally take from them heavily and linearly (jihaku, Hlo)
21:33 <NerdStrudel> he... knows how to use the pen tool sorta
21:33 <Hunter> my only other praise is that he actually tried to make a video
21:33 <teya> there were a few combinations that made a lot of sense
21:33 <Orwell> 3:01 has the effect I was talking about that I thought was relatively well done
21:33 <teya> like... faces lying down, top and bottom
21:33 <quadir> also something that can happen really easily with layering like this is that you get 2 main characters ontop of each other
21:33 <purplepolecat> I liked the bit at 0:35 with the chick looking up and kiki looking down
21:33 <teya> the skating scene around 2:00
21:33 <quadir> and I though he did a good job of making sure everything was on screen and not being obscured
21:33 <Rathisponge> Though I didnt feel there was much direction, I did see a theme of flying carefree, such as the girl on the broom, the birds and the stars in the sky
21:33 <teya> the holding something in hands... forget where that was
21:33 <NerdStrudel> OH
21:33 <quadir> I spotted at least once where he moved the original MV so that everything would fit
21:33 <NerdStrudel> something else he did well / he um.. / wait nevermuind
21:34 <Kionon> I did like the dichotomy effects of when the original footage had the singer on the top, and he put a character on the bottom or vice versa
21:34 <NerdStrudel> kio: i suppose
21:34 <Rathisponge> I agree Kionon
21:34 <quadir> Kionon: you'll notice in the original video the singer is on the bottom
21:34 <Kionon> it's the kind of intentional compositional forsight that shows he had at least some originality.
21:34 <teya> Kionon: yeah that's what i meant about the lying down thing...
21:34 <PaperIsland> I like when colors bleed through in interesting ways
21:34 <NerdStrudel> I think it was accidental
21:34 <Kionon> I don't/
21:34 <quadir> despite a lot of the frames being really busy, I think he payed attention to what he was putting in there, even if it wasn't telling a cohesive story
21:35 <Rathisponge> That was also interesting Paperisland
21:35 <Kionon> He repeated it.
21:35 <Orwell> Wait wait wait, I still have a bash. It crashed winamp
21:35 <Kionon> Therefore it was clearly intentional compositional.
21:35 <NerdStrudel> well.. he wasn't telling a story
21:35 <quadir> the shot at 0:10 worked so well I think it set the tone for the whole video
21:35 <NerdStrudel> orwell: It was MP4.. winamp doesn't do MP4
21:35 <godix> orwell: Get a real media player
21:35 <quadir> with her waking up in the grass with the drawn sun in the background
21:35 <teya> 4:03 was neat with the clouds/rainbow
21:35 <NerdStrudel> anyway. as I was saying / It doesn't have a story
21:35 <Orwell> Winamp does MP4 fine... most of the time
21:35 <PaperIsland> I agree quadir, that's one of the moments that is more interesting than the original video
21:35 <Kionon> I also did like some of the fireworks stuff.
21:35 <inthesto> Of course it doesn't have a fucking story
21:35 <Hunter> quadir: would have been better had the actual scene looked like sunrise
21:36 <NerdStrudel> it's just a random upbeat video
21:36 <Kionon> Especially how well they were on the beats.
21:36 <Orwell> I will say that it doesn't like bouncing over 5 clips a lot
21:36 <NerdStrudel> Orwell: I always use VLC for MP4
21:36 <teya> doesn't have to have a story
21:36 <Kionon> It looks like he might have used particle illusion, which isn't an easy program.
21:36 <purplepolecat> It's "original", in that not many AMVs use this technique.
21:36 <teya> i prefer stories, but really.. it doesn't matter
21:36 <Orwell> I can't pause shit with VLC. I hit pause, and it stops.... 5-10 seconds later
21:36 <inthesto> VLC is problematic like that.
21:36 <NerdStrudel> I think I gave it liek a 5 or 6 for originality
21:36 <Kionon> I love VLC
21:36 <Kionon> and never have any issue with it
21:37 <quadir> and you can tell he hasn't just plastered the original video in the background, shot by shot he's split it appart, look at 0:55
21:37 <NerdStrudel> ki: same
21:37 <quadir> you have different parts of the original video at different layers, and his own anime layers mixed in there too
21:37 <inthesto> Yeah, for a mash-up kind of project, this isn't bad.
21:37 <NerdStrudel> yes.. he did cut up the original vid / but for the most part / just randomly place it and anime together IMO
21:37 <Kionon> It was fun to watch the first time.
21:37 <NerdStrudel> more or less
21:37 <inthesto> Okay, is the particle crap part of the original video?
21:38 <Kionon> Sto: No.
21:38 <Kionon> I just said that.
21:38 <quadir> Kionon: yeah that's how I felt, which is what I generally go for in a dance video
21:38 <inthesto> Sorry, I can't read
21:38 <Kionon> Looks like particle illusion.
21:38 <quadir> I think I mentioned in my op that if this was blown up on a projector, you'd be able to see a lot more of the details since the video is pretty busy as is
21:38 <Kionon> Was the rainbow in the original vid?
21:38 <inthesto> Hmm, this might be easier if I could look up the lyrics.
21:38 <quadir> Kionon: yes
21:38 <quadir> Kionon: & the rainbow birds
21:38 <Kionon> Okay.
21:38 <ngsilver> it was a fun video to watch at first, the song was nice and enjoyable, I think the convention masses would love it like they love gif videos, and that's about all i liked about it
21:38 <quadir> Kionon: but at different layers obviously
21:39 <Kionon> Because those are other things you can do in particle illusion.
21:39 <inthesto> Yeah, this is kind of fun one-shot thing
21:39 <Kionon> Hence why I ask.
21:39 <NerdStrudel> I didn't find it to be to fun
21:39 <inthesto> And as a mash-up idea, I like it
21:39 <inthesto> But as an AMV, I'll pass
21:39 <PaperIsland> I like 2:53 to 3:00, the anime takes center stage for a bit and switches up the pace
21:40 <melee> At face value, its a nice cute fun video, but thats about it. I wasn't impressed beyong all the masking going on. It seemed rather random and pointless.
21:40 <Hunter> this is the last praise I will give it
21:40 <PaperIsland> Well, what is the "point" of most AMVS though?
21:40 <Hunter> for a first veiwing, not looking at anything technical or nit picking, it would be a good and enjoyable video probably
21:41 <teya> it was better masking than i've seen in a while
21:41 <quadir> another thing this really reminded me of was movie tie in music vids, where a lot of the original movie is put in along with the music artist singing
21:41 <inthesto> Could have been better without the lip flap.
21:41 <inthesto> And there was a lot of it.
21:41 <teya> quadir: oh yeah, that's true
21:41 <quadir> inthesto: I didn't notice it so much because obviously the original video was so synced
21:41 <quadir> so I wasn't expecting the anime characters to sync
21:41 <quadir> there was already something on screen doing that
21:42 <inthesto> The anime masks had lip flap all over the damn place, though
21:42 <inthesto> Caught my attention instantly.
21:42 <quadir> inthesto: and it let him do more interesting scenes like 1:37
21:42 <quadir> I can't remember the last time I saw something like that and it didn't rub me the wrong way
21:43 <inthesto> 1:37 is laughing
21:43 <inthesto> That's fine
21:43 <inthesto> In fact, that works really well
21:43 <quadir> yeah
21:43 <quadir> but in most videos it wouldn't cause you'd be like ACK LIP FLAP
21:43 <inthesto> But that's the exception.
21:43 <Kionon> I am always against lip flap
21:43 <PaperIsland> I wonder though if music vids with movie tie ins are usually kind of cop outs anyway, riding on the popularity/appeal of the movie
21:43 <godix> quadir: I wouldn't consider laughing the same as lipflap.
21:44 <inthesto> Look at 1:33
21:44 <inthesto> 1:43
21:44 <Kionon> it's one thing for a resource to not go with the beat, but it's always a problem when something goes against it.
21:44 <inthesto> 2:04
21:45 <melee> all the lip flap definitely distracted, I don't think anyone's contesting that
21:45 <Hunter> isn't this supposed to be praise anyway?
21:45 <inthesto> I was arguing with quadir.
21:45 <inthesto> Arguing takes precedence over everything.
21:45 <quadir> he can defend/attack a point if he wants :)
21:45 <Hunter> ah yes
21:46 <godix> So I can 'attack a point' of anyone who said this was enjoyable but calling it shit?
21:46 <teya> =P

21:46 <Hunter> Needs more incest.
21:46 <ngsilver> I will say the source looked pretty good considering the time period they were created in
21:46 <inthesto> God damn French.
21:47 <ngsilver> but that's partly disney's doing
21:47 <Orwell> inC'est La Vie.
21:47 <godix> My final opinion: True story, I downloaded this video earlier this week and deleted it after watching 20 seconds of it. Then #amv-review picked it so I had to download it again and actually watch it all the way through. My first reaction was the correct one.
21:48 <ngsilver> I'd show it at youmacon to the same people who voted my dance videos as their favorite, aside from that, I don't care to see it again
21:48 <Orwell> The video itself was poorly executed, but I would say the editor obviously has potential to get better
21:48 <quadir> in the end I liked the video, and I would of been more impressed if he had done more in/with the original vid, but it fit, so I don't rip him for using something that fits. Wish he'd done more of a coherant plot, but I don't expect it from a dance video. I'd gladly put this in a dance/fun playlist, especially at a party. I imagine people would stop and go 'oh that's neat' and move on. Nothing wrong with that.
21:48 <Rathisponge> Overall I enjoyed the amv, understanding that he used part of the original video initially changed my opinion but I also felt even better that he had synched it so well with the original. I thought the mood and editing was dead on. Even though it did seem a lil repetitive and with no direction, it was still enjoyable. Good job overall.
21:49 <purplepolecat> Needs a lot more sync in the anime, so it doesn't feel like the original video is doing all the heavy lifting.
21:49 <quadir> yeah that was a good point you had before
21:49 <PaperIsland> I don't think he needs a coherent plot, he just needs to create a visual blending that improves upon the original music video, which he does for only a few brief moments here and there
21:50 <godix> It's like comedy vids that are only funny because of the audio. To be a good amv you gotta go beyond the source and he just didn't.
21:51 <teya> i enjoyed it too, and i don't think it's terrible to use the original music video.. but he should have listed it in sources used. the mood was done well, and i liked many of the scene choices. i'm not as impressed with some others where it was cut off. the action also could have been better synched, but i don't think he was aiming for that too much anyway.
21:51 <Hunter> teya: not aiming for action in a supposed dance video?
21:53 <teya> Hunter: not aiming for it 'cause already had action sync from original..
21:51 <Orwell> This video needs therapy

[CrackTheSky]

I skimmed the log, and I agree that this video doesn't really cut it for me. When I first saw it I fell in love with it, to be completely honest, but then I realized that all the cool "effects" were from the original video...and it just made me feel kinda "meh" about the whole thing.

As I've watched it more, I've also kinda realized that the Ghibli footage really does not fit the background at all...and the contrast really detracts from the feeling of the video.

In my opinion, the original Genki Rockets music video to this song is far better than this, and that'll probably be the one I watch if I ever feel the need (and I do really like the song, so that may be quite frequently).

Anyway, my original score for this was 5/5, but since I first downloaded it I'd have to say that I wouldn't give this any higher than a 2.5/5 now. It'd have been completely different if SoH had actually done all those effects himself, but taking the original video and actually making it worse...eh, just doesn't fly with me :/

[NS]

haha. Quadir. Sorry you had to go in and change N-S to NerdStrudel... <_<.

[Emong]

Gotta agree with sKy here. I also thought the effects were made by SoH~

But I think the video managed to deliver its purpose pretty nicely. The concept was very simple and effective and free from pretentious stuff (not talking about the technical execution) Personally I'm not so fond of happy and up-lifting videos such as this. It left me feeling like I'm dancing on flower beds and, lo, I hated it. But this is truly a good piece for the genre fans in all its simplicity and its mood.

Technically it was pretty nice. Even if the backgrounds didn't really work out, it was still a well executed idea, imo. Ufortunately all of the masking and layers took away from any clearly visible synchro. It paid too much attention on the effects and the concept wasn't enough to balance out the lack of beat or lyrical sync. I tend not to like such videos, even if the concept was otherwise awesome :/

It was a no-brainer for me, but my wannabe-objective rating would be 4/5

[DriftRoot]

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, huh? Cute, quadir. But why did you start with the Bad? Because there was more bad than good?

[CrackTheSky]

I wanna know what people had to say about Frontier Psychiatrist. I love that video

[quadir]

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, huh? Cute, quadir. But why did you start with the Bad? Because there was more bad than good?

Did the bad first to get it out of the way.

I wanna know what people had to say about Frontier Psychiatrist. I love that video

There was a bit of discussion on that, I'll post it tonight.

[Douggie]

I didn't know Tetsuya Mizuguchi made music videos - as expected, that was quite interesting!

The AMV on the other hand... well.. the 2 sources clashed and didn't mix too well for me.

[Serv0]

Well, sorry for missing out on this week's topic of debate, it looked like it was fun. (Although there are some reviewers out there who will surely crucify me for saying that.)

Anyways, my thoughts are no more different than the 4,962 words discussed in the forum. (And yes I did count. What U going to do?) All n' all, I believe points have already been made by the review's discussion.

But what suprised me was the amount of reviewers who weren't familiar with the Genki Rockets. But this is very dependent on how many of you here play video games. To be specific, portable video games.

If any of you play Lumines II (PSP), you would probably recognize the video most definitely.

To get to the point, I believe that knowing proper facts and truths is essential when critiquing and reviewing.

To bring everyone up to speed, I'm just going to lay down some simple facts.

Tetsuya Mizuguchi is a game designer and founder of game development Q Entertainment, which produces puzzle game Lumines II. As Douggie has stated before, Mizuguchi does have an interest in music videos and recently hired Genki Rockets to perform Heavenly Star. In which Mizuguchi did direct the video as well as write part of the lyrics. The video Heavenly Star serves as a background vid to the puzzle game.

Now we're coming to the video Happy Colors, in which this discussion is all about. The Lumines series happens to be most successful in Europe in terms of sales and popularity. Hence a theory as to why the video is best known over in France.

Now the reasoning behind SoH choosing of this caliber is still unconfirmed, and SoH alone can confirm this.

As for the video Happy Colors, here's the points which are plain and simple:
1)The video bases its entire foundation on the original Renki Rockets "Heavenly Star" video.
2)Some of the original frames are left unaltered in Happy Colors, while others are adjusted and cropped in different positions of the resolution and timeline.
3)Studio Ghibli footage both masked and unmasked are used in the foreground of "Heavenly Star."

Now this Org is entirely based on the cause of free speech and creative minds (all in the limits of content reasoning and legal laws of course.) Let's just remember that we're all players in this infinite canvas and that nothing of creative work should ever divide us apart from each other. We respect everything that every editor holds on to.

Having said that, I will leave with my short comment of the video Happy Colors, in hopes that SoH (and all editors) will bear to become better. If new footage is added to an existing video with the same foundation, theme, mood, setting, and characters, does that necessarily make it a new piece of work? There's no right answer to this...just thoughts.

In the future, I, myself, will be anticipating the next line of work coming from fellow editor SoH, no matter what it is.

As for the rest of you, that's your problem.