AMV Review #37: Double Feature

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This week's moderated discussion video:

Feature A
Farid B. (Fadoo_sama) - 2007 - Paradise
Category: Fun
Anime: Various
Song: Erementar Gerad Ost - Opening

Feature B
Stefano Colaci (stefanocolaci) - 2007 - Sfrizzomania
Category: Fun
Anime: FLCL, BECK
Song: Mindless Self Indulgence - Shut Me Up

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Bonus Video:
(blabbler) - 2007 - be.champloo
Category: Action
Anime: Samurai Champloo
Song: Cloud Cult - Lucky Today

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Discussion:

20:19 <quadir> Feature A: Farid .B (Fadoo_sama) - 2007 - Paradise
20:19 <quadir> Feature B: Stefano Colaci (stefanocolaci) - 2007 - Sfrizzomania
20:20 <quadir> we'll be doing Feature A first, if you feel in a giving mood, op it
20:21 <quadir> Feature B will be discussed after, but he gets no ops cause he's a dumb fuck who doesn't know how to manage his announcement thread.
20:25 <NS> What is a MAD?
20:27 <Rathisponge> I am not particularly sure NS other then that it has a very distinct style which involves anime pictures and japanese music
20:28 <NS> So that's what Fadoo's is?
20:28 <DriftRoot> Yeah, it's a MAD - has a little video in it, but not much
20:28 <Orwell> M@D: Still image and editor created animation, I've got a M@D to Metallica somewhere
20:29 <Koopiskeva> kanon + text = mad?
20:29 <godix> Technically a mad is an AMV done by a japanese person.
20:29 <Koopiskeva> plus AE too
20:29 <godix> Realistically, it's a fuckload of AE effects and still images.
20:29 <quadir> godix: I woudln't say so
20:29 <godix> quadir: then you obviously don't know where the term comes form.
20:30 <Koopiskeva> so wut makes something a mad then |:
20:30 <ZephyrStar> if it makes u mad? :|
20:30 <Koopiskeva> much of the japanese youtube/streaming video community has labeled my haruhi video as a mad
20:30 <Koopiskeva> :\
20:31 <ZephyrStar> same with omgsuperlucky :/
20:31 <Koopiskeva> guess we make mads
20:31 * Koopiskeva high fives zeph
20:31 <Orwell> M@D - when it doesn't fucking suck
20:31 * Koopiskeva also slaps his butt
20:31 <Koopiskeva> |:
20:31 <ZephyrStar> :up:
20:31 <Koopiskeva> i know yer up
20:31 <Koopiskeva> O:
20:31 <ZephyrStar> I was suprised
20:31 <ZephyrStar> :O
20:32 <NS> hmmmm. From the two videos that I've seen from that studio.. it seems like they are great at whoring effects and whatnot
20:33 <godix> Ok, A is like all mads. Somewhat impressive technically speaking but tons of effects + still images does not = dance or fun.
20:33 <godix> B just sucked.
20:33 <DriftRoot> this syrup in my keyboard is getting on my nerves
20:33 <Koopiskeva> i liked both
20:33 <godix> That's about all I have to say for either so I'm just going to bed now.
20:33 <Koopiskeva> i liked b better than a though
20:33 <Koopiskeva> |:
20:34 <quadir> A needs more pedo
20:34 <Servo> eta for discussion?
20:34 <Koopiskeva> right now.
20:34 <quadir> Servo: started @ 8
20:34 <quadir> join in when you finish your op
20:35 <godix> There's a fine line between amusing random stuff and just plain stupid. B crossed that line when it had the cutout characters on screen in a damned near infinate loop for half the damned video
20:35 <Koopiskeva> it happens
20:35 <NS> B is...idk, from what I remember, it was decent but the flow was really off for the most part.. and wasn't put together all that well. i mean, 45 seconds Beck segment out of nowhere? wtf. But, it wasn't HORRIBLE
20:35 <NS> and yeh, I agree with godix
20:35 <NS> that was pretty shitty
20:36 <Koopiskeva> eh
20:36 <Koopiskeva> i wouldnt say B was terrible
20:36 <DriftRoot> yeek, I was late!
20:36 <Koopiskeva> its better than most, it has its flaws, but overall it was amusing
20:36 <NS> Neither did I.. I said it wasn't HORRIBLE
20:36 <Koopiskeva> A was much more forgettable in relation to all mads
20:36 <NS> it was indeed amusing
20:37 <Rathisponge> I believe A did a good job synching and editing, but I prefer B overall due to the choice in music and anime.
20:37 <Malificus> B was more fun than A
20:37 <Koopiskeva> thats about it.
20:37 <godix> I've seen worse. This isn't so horrible it actually stands out in my mind it was horrible. apparently I've downloaded, watched, deleted, and forgot about this video in about 2 weeks so had to redownload it again tonight.
20:37 <quadir> the point isn't to compare the two vids, discuss them for their own sake please.
20:38 <Koopiskeva> both vids were pretty mediocre in their genre |:
20:38 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed B's combination of still images and moving images, however the repetition of both was a little distracting.
20:38 <DriftRoot> As fas as video A is concerned, I realize it's a MAD, however I felt like the stills were getting in the way of the action at several points. Prime example is the sequence that starts around .28.
20:38 <Koopiskeva> not in the way of editing - but just overall impact
20:39 <NS> A was somewhat impressive due to the effects and Measuring of boobs, which is always entertaining...but yeh it was interesting use of effects and whatnot..but yeh, not to memorable
20:39 <quadir> so I guess the thing that always strikes me with mads is how often they relly on foreign language songs... do we not produce techno that would suit?
20:39 <NS> Idk
20:39 <NS> I just think it's a way for them to get away with not having to lyric synch
20:39 <godix> I'll actually agree with koop on that. I've seen worse videos in their respective styles so I can't say these are really really bad but OTOH I'm not going to keep either one so they weren't good either
20:40 <Rathisponge> My lack of understanding of the language I believe keeps me from fully enjoying a MAD video, which isnt the editor's fault.
20:40 <Koopiskeva> rath, most mads are pretty random - even their songs make no real sense
20:41 <quadir> Rathisponge: some of them have karaoke.. and I never found it help.
20:41 <godix> I thought that was true of all japanese music
20:41 <Koopiskeva> a lot of jpop stuff is pretty random - think lucky star opening
20:41 <NS> I've heard japanese ska.. it was actually pretty good
20:41 <godix> I have yet to find a japanese song where the translated lyrics made 100% sense at least. They always have at least a few 'What the fuck was that about' lyrics
20:42 <DriftRoot> The karaoke usually bugs me, the lyrics rarely make sense and it makes the whole experience that much more random.
20:42 <NS> yeh
20:42 <Orwell> Godix: Don't forget the other universal truth of japanese music - it sucks
20:42 <DriftRoot> aww
20:42 <godix> orwell: My guilty not so secret is that I like jpop.
20:42 <PaperIsland> They have some good composers
20:42 <quadir> the other thing with this perticular M@D is it's relatively slow paced
20:43 <quadir> you actually have time to see each shot before it's wiped off the screen by the next effect-whore
20:43 <Rathisponge> I thought the pacing was rather fast, but in comparison to others I couldn't say.
20:43 <Servo> finally done
20:43 <ZephyrStar> I like the FLCL one waaaay better
20:43 <Koopiskeva> i thought the mad effect movement was pretty standard actually
20:43 <Koopiskeva> |:
20:44 <ZephyrStar> the mad one used images I've seen like 80 times
20:44 <ZephyrStar> and didn't really have a story
20:44 <ZephyrStar> not that the flcl one does either, but it flows a lot better
20:44 <DriftRoot> Soundsw like a MAD to me
20:44 <Koopiskeva> not everyone visits pedo-town ZS
20:44 <Koopiskeva> O:
20:44 <quadir> Koopiskeva: yeah? I dunno I'm thinking most MADs go a lot faster then this
20:44 <ZephyrStar> I just wish he'd cut the character things faster than he did :O
20:44 <PaperIsland> I've said before that I don't really mind when AMVs don't have stories, but the MAD didn't even really seem to have a topic
20:44 <DriftRoot> MOE
20:44 <ZephyrStar> I've seen those images in uhh...other mads...yeah
20:44 <DriftRoot> It's a MOE MAD
20:44 <ZephyrStar> same
20:44 <Servo> I don't know, am I the only one here who thought the synch was well done?
20:44 <ZephyrStar> yeah it was "omggirls"
20:45 <ZephyrStar> yeah the synch was fine
20:45 <Koopiskeva> quad, dunno depends on which mads uve seen i guess
20:45 <quadir> Servo: no, you weren't. but if the sync fails in a M@D the video fails pretty hard.
20:45 <ZephyrStar> but it just wasn't as visually interesting
20:45 <DriftRoot> I liked the synch, but you have to synch well if you're going to make a MAD that doesn't fall on its face
20:45 <Koopiskeva> ive seen enough that they all kinda just mold into one giant blur of effects
20:45 <godix> The synch was well done. As was the effects. But I've seen enough mads it takes more than synch and effect whores to impress me
20:45 <Servo> personally the vid is nice to look at, but that's all that it is
20:46 <Orwell> it's pretty mediocore, not bad, but I don't like the music in this one, and the video itself, while certainly not bad, is just ok.
20:46 <DriftRoot> I can't think of any MAD that's ever impressed me...granted I haven't seen tons of them, but still, that's kind of depressing.
20:46 <quadir> Koopiskeva: I'm so glad that 4 gigs of M@Ds is way in my past where they no longer influence every single thing I watch
20:46 <Koopiskeva> :P
20:46 <ZephyrStar> same :/
20:46 <Servo> so what seems to be missing in the vid?
20:46 <quadir> the paint tube was the only spot where I went 'ughhhh'
20:46 <Koopiskeva> i never rly got into the whole MAD thing that zarx, and a lot of other ppl rly raved about
20:47 <DriftRoot> ugggh like good ughhh?
20:47 <DriftRoot> Or bad ugghhh
20:47 <godix> I admired the effects when I first ran into mads. After seeing about 2 mads I got tired of the effects...
20:47 <quadir> bad ughh
20:47 <quadir> the paint tube was just... bad.
20:47 <DriftRoot> It was creative, though.
20:47 <quadir> if he had used it earlier, and done something like a wipe with the paint itself, okay.
20:47 <NS> I've only seen this one MAD...and while It's flashy and whatever.. I am already kinda bored with it to be honest.
20:48 <NS> but yeh
20:48 <Koopiskeva> i think me and zs are similar in many ways
20:48 <Koopiskeva> |:
20:48 <Servo> mads can only be cool after a number of times before it becomes boring
20:48 <DriftRoot> I'd like to have seen a paintbrush painting the girls, use some nice stroke masking effects, much better than paint tube
20:48 <NS> Still done decent with the effects and stuff
20:48 <PaperIsland> I feel like it would have had to relate to some topic in the song or previous images to be effective at all
20:48 <Koopiskeva> we both like sunny days and walks by the beach
20:48 <Koopiskeva> and making out
20:48 <Koopiskeva> all thats stuff.
20:48 * Servo has no beach :(
20:48 <DriftRoot> wow, you guys were made for each other :P
20:48 <Koopiskeva> together
20:48 * ZephyrStar nods
20:48 <NS> Beach amv? whut?
20:48 <Koopiskeva> oil
20:48 <ZephyrStar> we're making a beach amv yeah
20:49 <Servo> sandwhiches?
20:49 <Koopiskeva> while making out
20:49 <ZephyrStar> but it's just live action footage
20:49 <ZephyrStar> of us at the beach
20:49 <ZephyrStar> ":/
20:49 <Koopiskeva> making out
20:49 <godix> To songs from the movie Beaches?
20:49 <NS> life's a beach :O.. I've seen that on coffee mugs
20:49 <ZephyrStar> was there making out on the back of the mug though?
20:49 <ZephyrStar> cause it should have been there
20:49 <NS> a little
20:49 <Servo> here take a pill from On the Beach
20:50 <Koopiskeva> good.
20:50 <ZephyrStar> excellent
20:50 <Servo> anyways, back to the vid
20:50 <DriftRoot> yeah :\
20:50 <NS> yesh
20:50 <Servo> it seems like this vid is pretty but not unique or original
20:50 <NS> indeed
20:50 <Koopiskeva> these videos are both too mediocre to rly say much else
20:50 <DriftRoot> It's funny, this AMV is crammed full of "stuff" but there's not much we can say about it
20:51 <quadir> MADs are sortof like that
20:51 <Koopiskeva> |:
20:51 <NS> well it's random images with a little fanservice thrown in while random shit flies across the screen
20:51 <DriftRoot> myeah, it's like they're the opposite of what they're trying to accomplish
20:51 <Servo> btw, has there ever been a MAD with a non-japanese dance song?
20:51 <Koopiskeva> yes
20:52 <quadir> M@D are pretty rare on the org though, there's examples but time-wise they tend to be far appart.
20:52 <DriftRoot> Moonlight Shadow MAD
20:52 <Koopiskeva> these types of ads are only a certain type of mad
20:52 <Koopiskeva> *mads
20:52 <DriftRoot> It's a MAD, MAD world - just not on the ORG
20:52 <Servo> DriftRoot: the song Moonlight Shadow?
20:52 <DriftRoot> Yeah, the track from DDR
20:52 <godix> MADs take a lot of effort for what, many, feel is boring random effects
20:52 <Servo> well, its still dance
20:52 <quadir> so it's not worth the payoff then?
20:52 <DriftRoot> It's an individual MAD and part of that latest DDR compilation...I think it's the latest
20:52 <Koopiskeva> mads make for a good demo reel pretty much
20:53 <godix> And to answer the non jpop song mad thing, decoy's BTB is pretty MAD like
20:53 <quadir> they seem to take a lot editing skill
20:53 <Servo> maybe I should've asked: Is there a non-dance MAD
20:53 <ZephyrStar> I like mads that have a solid concept or color scheme or progression
20:53 <quadir> technically
20:53 <ZephyrStar> this one was way too random
20:53 <ZephyrStar> some kindof something needs to bind the thing together
20:53 <Koopiskeva> yes
20:53 <Koopiskeva> like
20:53 <Koopiskeva> oil
20:53 <ZephyrStar> <3
20:53 <DriftRoot> I was going to make a dead serious drama MAD with Dirge of Cerberus...
20:53 <DriftRoot> still might, someday
20:54 <DriftRoot> That annoying song from that movie that I couldn't watch...lux aeterna
20:54 <Servo> I liked 1:06, thought it was creative
20:54 <Koopiskeva> if u took out the fact that MADs are classified only to be japanese-made then all amvs are mads
20:54 <Koopiskeva> :\
20:55 <quadir> Koopiskeva: well the 3 types I've seen arent' usually found in the AMV catalog
20:55 <DriftRoot> I've seen non-Japanese made "MADs" that were passed off as MADs.
20:55 <Koopiskeva> quad, yea - but ive seen 'amvs' made by japanese ppl and their considered mads
20:55 <quadir> Koopiskeva: 'fun' like this one, then 'fake intro' (which is more popular now, notice not remake), and skit
20:55 <Koopiskeva> *theyre
20:55 <DriftRoot> I think you can definitely show someone an AMV and say "This is an AMV" and show someone a MAD and they'd be able to tell the difference, without knowing the race of the creator.
20:56 <DriftRoot> Whether that makes AMVs made by Japanese folks MADs is up for debate
20:56 <Servo> does a MAD have to be about anime?
20:56 <DriftRoot> I guess there's a stereotype
20:56 <quadir> Koopiskeva: so you see it more as just the japanese label for 'amv'?
20:56 <NS> soo... what you're saying
20:56 <quadir> Koopiskeva: like 'anime' for 'cartoon'?
20:56 <Koopiskeva> anime
20:57 <Koopiskeva> its not how 'i' see it
20:57 <NS> is I could make another account on the org. convince everybody that I'm japanese, make a Linkinballz amv and People would call it a MAD?
20:57 <teya> hmmm
20:57 <Koopiskeva> thats wut ive read the definition of it to be
20:57 <teya> it looks like a DDR background
20:57 <Koopiskeva> honestly, theyre all just amvs to me
20:57 <Koopiskeva> or if yer japanese, ud refer to them as a mad
20:57 <DriftRoot> No, NS, because it's on the ORG...if it looked like a MAD, then it would probably be classified as such. That's my point. MADs have a stereotypical style
20:57 <teya> can someone tell me what a MAD is?
20:57 <teya> i be n00b
20:57 <NS> ohhh I see
20:57 <dokidoki> Neta MAD likely wouldn't qualify as an AMV. Unison MAD: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=96547
20:57 <quadir> teya: lurk moar
20:58 <Koopiskeva> a MAD is the same thing as an AMV
20:58 <Koopiskeva> we call them amvs, japanese ppl call them mads
20:58 <godix> <godix> Technically a mad is an AMV done by a japanese person.
20:58 <teya> quadir: was it said earlier?
20:58 <DriftRoot> The question is, is that stereotypical style transcend the style - can a non-MAD looking MAD be a MAD? Yes!
20:58 <teya> ahh
20:58 <quadir> teya: yeah.
20:58 <godix> <godix> Realistically, it's a fuckload of AE effects and still images.
20:58 <dokidoki> But everyone talks about Seishiga MADs.
20:58 <teya> quadir: sorry, tried to read backlog but it's going so fast
20:58 <quadir> dokidoki: seishiga?
20:59 <NS> kind of like how People call a person Emo just because they dress in the steryotypical fashion, when really. Emo is only a genre
20:59 <dokidoki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAD_Movie
20:59 <Koopiskeva> doki will back me up on this
20:59 <Koopiskeva> |:>
20:59 <ZephyrStar> I think I'm gonna turn japanese tomorrow so all my amv's can now be mads
20:59 <DriftRoot> Can an AMV that looks like a MAD be an AMV, yes...so...wait, what's my point?
20:59 <teya> it also had the style of looking like an opening
20:59 <teya> that's a MAD thing, isn't it?
20:59 <teya> and yeah.. i'm so out of it
20:59 <DriftRoot> er
20:59 <quadir> teya: yes, usually if you use the word M@D in this crowd you're also talking about a certain style
21:00 <teya> k..
21:00 <NS> from what I've gathered, a Mad is a lot of still images that have a shitload of effects slapped on 'em
21:00 <quadir> teya: but koop is arguing the linguistic thing of M@D just being the japanese term for AMV
21:00 <NS> steryotypically anyway
21:00 <quadir> dokidoki: I always thought PIANO was a decent introduction into the style
21:00 <teya> koop has a point
21:01 <teya> quadir: is there some reason why you use @?
21:01 <Servo> wikipedia article: you the only thing I got from this is that M@Ds attempt to recreate an Anime opening sequence
21:01 <NS> cause it's an a in a spiral
21:01 <quadir> cause i B TxTing U B8b
21:01 <dokidoki> From the Wikipedia page: "Recently, it has become popular to write MAD as "M@D", with the 'at' symbol replacing the 'A'."
21:01 <DriftRoot> lol
21:01 <teya> rofl
21:01 <Rathisponge> hehehe
21:01 <DriftRoot> You follower, you
21:02 <teya> seriously =D
21:02 <Koopiskeva> quad, i only say that since we kinda lump all anime-related videos as AMVs - even if sum1 were to use mostly manga images, itd still be considered an amv
21:02 <DriftRoot> quadir: always on the cutting edge
21:02 <quadir> Koopiskeva: I think people call them MMV's
21:02 <quadir> Koopiskeva: at least that's what the papers and the people working on still image videos are doing
21:03 <Koopiskeva> its still lumped in with amvs though
21:03 <DriftRoot> But we all don't, I'd say there are a fair number of editors who make AMVs that look like MADs and call those AMVs MADs..."I'm going to make a MAD."
21:03 * DriftRoot is not a follower
21:03 <Servo> could it be possible that if we debate on M@Ds, that we're also debating the format of Anime opening sequences?
21:03 <Koopiskeva> hence why theyre allowed on the org
21:03 <Koopiskeva> :\
21:03 <quadir> Koopiskeva: because it's allowed on animemusicvideos.org?
21:03 <quadir> Koopiskeva: that's a lame argument
21:03 <Koopiskeva> perhaps
21:03 <Koopiskeva> but most ppl wouldnt say mmv
21:03 <quadir> Koopiskeva: people do
21:03 <Koopiskeva> as amv is pretty much the general label for all these videos
21:03 <quadir> the org is such a tiny MMV market
21:04 <dokidoki> DriftRoot: Usually when I see someone say that, they're referring to Seishiga MAD style.
21:04 <Koopiskeva> i dont - nor most ppl i know :\
21:04 <quadir> if you're looking for good MMV you have to dig long and hard in youtube and other sites like gametrailers and imeem
21:04 <DriftRoot> If someone says to me "We're going to review a MAD" I know exactly what I'm in for.
21:04 <godix> Question, is debating over the names of thigns actually the point of the review? Shouldn't we be insulting the videos?
21:04 <Koopiskeva> nope
21:04 <Koopiskeva> |:>
21:04 <quadir> godix: we're between videos
21:04 <Orwell> I don't even see the linguist major in here
21:05 <Servo> well what else is there to insult besides shit?
21:05 <quadir> dokidoki: funny you picked that video of PIANO though
21:05 <godix> servo: Everything.
21:05 <Orwell> like this video http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=152963
21:05 <Servo> mmm good point
21:05 <quadir> dokidoki: since it's a opening recreation, as oposed to doing an opening to a show yet to air from stills, or a trailer for a dating sim
21:06 <dokidoki> I found this Unison MAD a couple of years before Eva Bebop came out: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 9875ED7D36
21:06 <godix> Eva bebop. I loved how he claimed that was a 'new genre' for awhile.
21:06 <dokidoki> Yeees, I was trying to illustrate the different types of MAD in the Wikipedia article.
21:06 <Koopiskeva> heh
21:06 <NS> ?
21:06 <NS> Eva Bebop?
21:07 <NS> was that some crossover vid?
21:07 <DriftRoot> Here's that non-J-POP M@D I was referring to: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... d_id=50493
21:07 <godix> NS: If you ahven't seen it don't bother looking it up. I honestly don't know what it's appeal is beyond 'OMG EVA & COWBOY BEBOP!'
21:07 <quadir> man I dunno if DDR project stuff counts
21:07 <quadir> but I guess it does
21:08 <dokidoki> My DDR Project 2 video used still pictures. :D
21:08 <Koopiskeva> eh
21:08 <quadir> alright, like godix said let's move on
21:08 <quadir> spread some wmv love
21:08 <DriftRoot> I'm not sure if that M@D wound up in the project after it was already in the works
21:08 <dokidoki> 'cuz I ran out of HD space. :D
21:08 <Koopiskeva> all this classification is |:>
21:08 <Orwell> I suppose I should upload Master of Puppet then
21:08 <Orwell> non ddr
21:08 <godix> I'm moving on to my bed like I said I was going to half an hour ago and actually should have then.
21:08 <NS> indeed
21:09 <Orwell> night, don't get stuck
21:09 <Koopiskeva> so basically, we came to the conclusion that ... nothing ?
21:09 <Koopiskeva> |:>
21:09 <godix> AFAIK she's several states away. I probably won't get stuck
21:09 <quadir> Koopiskeva: it's a discussion. share ideas, opinions, it's not a groupthink exercise.
21:09 <godix> Koop: Welcome to #amv-review where we use thousands of words to say nothing.
21:10 <Koopiskeva> thats coo.
21:10 <DriftRoot> go to bed :P
21:10 <Servo> well, I'm still convinced that videos such as RELEASE, PARADISE, EVA BEBOP attempt to create a possible anime opening sequence. Maybe this is the major thing that seperates MAD from standard AMV
21:10 <Koopiskeva> servo, it only makes a 'certain' type of mad
21:10 <DriftRoot> But many AMVs could be considered opening sequences, that doesn't make them MADs
21:10 <dokidoki> You need to read the Wiki article again. :P
21:10 [ Feature B Discuss http://a-m-v.org/video/152385 ]
21:10 <Orwell> did the video that has the bleach opening side by side with... CCS?
21:10 <Koopiskeva> much of the mad community make regular 'amvs' as we do
21:10 <Orwell> come up?
21:11 <dokidoki> Yeah.
21:11 <dokidoki> I linked to it.
21:11 <Rathisponge> I enjoyed the B video , the part where he has the robot dancing on a DDR pad did seem to go on for a bit too long.
21:11 <teya> the shaky head is distracting
21:11 <teya> but also fun
21:11 <Servo> no matter how much I read the wiki article the MAD genre is still debatable
21:12 <Malificus> yeah the ddr canti was way too long
21:12 <Rathisponge> I did find it a bit distracting as well teya.
21:12 <DriftRoot> Some of the footage was too visibly sped up, etc., it was distracting
21:12 <quadir> I'm a fan of the way he's done the lyric text
21:12 <Koopiskeva> hence why i just call em all amvs
21:12 <Koopiskeva> |:
21:12 <quadir> if you're doing ot do it at all
21:12 <quadir> last week we had some text in an amv... it blew hard
21:12 <teya> quadir: yeah i loved the lyrics too
21:12 <dokidoki> gah. I linked to it mainly to say that not all MADs are Seishiga.
21:12 <Orwell> Driftroot: If you want another not j-pop M@D I'm uploading to tempvault now
21:12 <quadir> at least with this style it looks like the character "sings" it
21:12 <Koopiskeva> i has text in amv |:>
21:12 <quadir> almost like in-character text.
21:12 <Rathisponge> ah I agree quadir I believe that was done well.
21:12 <DriftRoot> I'll check it out, Orwell
21:13 <Malificus> the beck part felt lazy
21:13 <PaperIsland> I agree with rathisponge, the ddr portion went on too long, as did a lot of the characters he had dancing in front of the screen
21:13 <quadir> of course he destroys it in the 1:50 segment
21:13 <DriftRoot> Yeah, why was Beck in there, for the guitars?
21:13 <NS> yeh
21:13 <Rathisponge> I believe so Driftroot.
21:13 <NS> I mentioned that before. Random beck segment for no reason _-_
21:13 <NS> :O
21:13 <teya> also the white outlines make it look so polished
21:13 <NS> Upside down face
21:13 <quadir> DriftRoot: rock music demands man with beard screaming into mic for 75% of the video
21:14 <quadir> no jihaku, I'm not looking at you
21:14 <DriftRoot> hehehe
21:14 <NS> hehe dave grohl used to be in nirvana... >_>
21:14 <NS> their singer is dead
21:14 <NS> :D
21:14 <Orwell> I liked the first half of the video but beyond that I was bored
21:14 <DriftRoot> It must be nice to make an AMV and not have to worry very much about a coherent storyline :(
21:14 <quadir> teya: yeah, it definitely makes the cutouts a lot more bearable
21:15 <quadir> DriftRoot: is flcl just one dvd? it's short anyways.
21:15 <Servo> Orwell: i agree too
21:15 <NS> 6 episodes
21:15 <NS> my guess is..
21:15 <quadir> and every 20 minutes is pretty different
21:15 <Malificus> FLCL is 3 DVDs
21:15 <quadir> Malificus: god damn
21:15 <Rathisponge> I was unsure about the Beck segment due to the almost commercialized look of it from the free ringtone flashing and scrolling bottom text
21:15 <quadir> at least it comes with a cool music video of bears.
21:15 <NS> yeh, that makes sense.. gotta get as much money off of it as they can
21:15 <DriftRoot> It's quite a mixed bag, which is why most FLCL AMVs are also quite a mixed bag
21:16 <Koopiskeva> brb maybe
21:16 <Malificus> and they're all $30 whenever I saw them
21:16 <NS> oh, I forgot about the ticker at the bottom of the beck segment
21:16 <Orwell> I've got a bootleg that came with a duplicate dvd
21:16 <Orwell> all 6 eps on one disc
21:16 <Orwell> quality isn't what I'd edit with though that's why you have otaku friends
21:16 <Malificus> Boo.. bootlegz
21:17 <DriftRoot> If the Beck segment was meant to be like a commercial break...or wrong channel or something, it didn't work too well...if it wasn't supposed to be either of those, then what was it?
21:17 <Rathisponge> ah that is an interesting idea Driftroot.
21:17 <NS> Random
21:17 <NS> like the rest of it
21:17 <Malificus> Pointless?
21:17 <dokidoki> The thought of using "Shut Me Up" as a ringtone (2:40) amuses me somehow.
21:17 <quadir> DriftRoot: it's meant to be the part of the music video that breaks out of the music video into the actual 'band' playing the song
21:17 <NS> oh, and the beck segment was lip synched unwell
21:17 <DriftRoot> I only thought that, Rathe, because of the way it ends, with the finger hitting the TV screen.
21:17 <dokidoki> quadir: that's what I thought.
21:17 <Rathisponge> I thought that originally quadir.
21:17 <NS> "shut me up" was my ringtone for a while >_>
21:18 <quadir> also hence the 'Live' label on the footage
21:18 <Rathisponge> ah I see Driftroot, that is an interesting observation.
21:18 <Servo> I got the feeling of a news segment at that part
21:18 <DriftRoot> Ohhh, well, like I said...if it was neither of my ideas, then it didn't come across very clearly to schmucks like me ^_^
21:18 <quadir> also all the cutout people with the outlines makes me want the KareKano paper cutout ep BAD
21:19 <DriftRoot> And if it WAS "the band," he should have kept exclusively to band footage, there was all sorts of other stuff in there with Beck.
21:19 <quadir> Servo: watch some MV channels
21:20 <Orwell> Quadir: MV channels are a lie
21:20 <Servo> lie
21:20 <Servo> but point being, I still got the feeling of watching a TV
21:20 <teya> quadir: agreed, karekano > a..
21:20 <teya> er all
21:21 <DriftRoot> Erm, another comment I suppose I should make, I felt like the effects in this AMV weren't very consistent - they didn't carry through the whole AMV. The stylistic attributes were very segmented
21:21 <quadir> nice recovery teya
21:21 <Servo> the effects did feel a little bit like shoe leather
21:21 <Rathisponge> what do you mean Servo?
21:21 <PaperIsland> What does that mean...
21:21 <Malificus> Would you really have wanted to see those stupid lines the entire vid?
21:22 <DriftRoot> No, but I'd like to see them here and there
21:22 <DriftRoot> Not just there
21:22 <Servo> shoe leather = what's the point?
21:22 <DriftRoot> To keep our feet warm and dry @_@
21:22 <Rathisponge> ah
21:22 <quadir> winamp visualization
21:23 <Servo> some of the effects fit well, while others didn't
21:23 <quadir> people usually let flcl be crazy on it's own
21:24 <quadir> most don't feel they need to layer flcl to achieve crazyness
21:24 <quadir> but in this case it almost made it sane
21:24 <DriftRoot> Most of the effects at the beginning really kept my interest, it just completely turned into a different animal when the DDR segment arrived
21:24 <teya> DriftRoot: i agree, it wasn't as consistent as it could have been
21:24 <Koopiskeva> nyes
21:24 <PaperIsland> I was almost angry with some of the video, because there are some moments that are pulled off really well, but they're surrounded by people dancing in front of the screen for half an hour or that strange ending
21:24 <DriftRoot> I was like, hey, where's the nifty light blue...lines and things?
21:24 <Malificus> : |
21:24 <DriftRoot> lol
21:24 <Koopiskeva> |:
21:25 <Rathisponge> I agree Paperisland, the girl wrapped in a towel with a cat dancing did seem out of place
21:25 <Servo> does it ever occur that this video feels like it drags on?
21:25 <Koopiskeva> wut wasnt out of place |:
21:25 <DriftRoot> What's also buggy is that after the Beck segment, the massive amount of effects found previously are nowhere to be found.
21:25 <quadir> it's flcl
21:25 <quadir> yeah DriftRoot nails it there I think
21:26 <DriftRoot> Regardless of how entertainingly bizarre FLCL is, I went from being entertained by the effects/editing style to ... a real letdown.
21:26 <quadir> dokidoki: damn lock that damn L-A thread already
21:26 <quadir> lol
21:26 <Servo> DriftRoot: I think the editor just got lazy and resulted to filler footage
21:26 <dokidoki> nein
21:26 <Malificus> The vid's at it best before the DDR
21:26 <DriftRoot> I suspect that as well, but it's a shame
21:26 <quadir> I get to live with what I sow eh?
21:26 <PaperIsland> Does anyone know what the video info is saying?
21:27 <Malificus> Lol, the combo drops in the ddr segement every now and then
21:27 <Malificus> it doesn't reset, it just gos down by like, 1
21:27 <PaperIsland> I guess it's italian...
21:27 <Servo> the language in the description?
21:27 <Rathisponge> I am unsure Paperisland.
21:28 <PaperIsland> I figured it might possibly provide some explanation, but I guess we have no translators
21:28 <quadir> Servo: all you need to know is his ego is fragile
21:28 <Servo> http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr Rough Rough Translation
21:29 <quadir> you could also try google translate
21:29 <DriftRoot> Part of the Beck segment subtitle stuff, it almost looks like someone says "Can I join your studio?"
21:30 <DriftRoot> Someone also says something about chicken at one point, I think: pollo, referring to the guy with the yellow jacket
21:32 <quadir> just to let everyone know, I won't be around next week, I'm in vancouver for work for 5 days
21:32 <quadir> so Koopiskeva has nicely agreed to run the amv-review on monday night
21:33 <quadir> please show him the same respect he shows me
21:34 <Servo> can we tear apart one of his videos?
21:35 <quadir> that's up to him, isn't it