I hate Star Ratings.

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Post by Arigatomina » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:47 am

Beaujames wrote:Arigatomyna, i see your point... and i'm not sure if i can disagree, i guess we just shouldn't pay as much attention to it. but if you could give an overall score for a video without making an entire opinion it would be nice... something that worked with the star system, something that the "asshats" wouldn't run around throwing 1s on.
Some people have been suggesting (for about a year now) that we have a little 'why I gave this star' text section for local vids - that way you can get a sentence worth of explanation. But no one has really thought about shortening the reviews to only one score.

If you get an all-ones flame review (not constructive, the hateful pointless flames) for a video, you can drop a post in the mods drop box with a link to the review (make the review public) and they'll probably remove it for you. There are a lot of flamers running around, but you don't have to ignore it when they drop straight 1s for no reason besides spite. ^.~

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Post by Beaujames » Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:53 am

i don't mean to replace the opinions, but something in between opinions and stars that people could use. more info than stars less than an opinion. It would reduce the number of opinions, but it would most likely filter more of the useless ones and be more informative than stars. (Am I being optimistic? thats uncharacteristic!)
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Post by Tono_Fyr » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:32 am

I try to give star ratings based on how much I enjoyed the video. And I ussually do them as I go durring viewing (Ussually, I don't download vids all that often because I have dial up, but when I'm at a friend's house, I'll download five to ten). Eh, I try to give star ratings fairly. If they acrew, I go through and think about what each vid was like, and try to rate based on that. That's just me, though, I'm sure there are people who rush through with that whole 3333333333 thing down the list.

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Post by Zarxrax » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:43 am

1. most people don't like their star ratings
2. star ratings purpose aren't to make you feel good
3. get over it

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Post by AquaSky » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:09 am

Okay, I'll skip the formalities and be blunt (after seeing this kind of topic many a time). I find too many people are willing to dismiss the star system after they've received consistently low ratings. In fact, I've come across some who would sooner go this route than to examine the possibility that the rating they're getting could be indeed fair.
There's always going to be a discrepancy between opinion and star score, since (as ArigatoMyna has said) people tend to opinionate the videos they like. Therefore, you're likely to get a higher average opinion score as opposed to the star system's equivalent score. This is why, out of the two, I find the star system the most reliable overall indicator of how a video was received.
Sure, there are a few who will give random scores in order to continue downloading locally. But as for ranking everything the same, there is indeed a system in place to prevent that (give an overwhelming majority the same rating, and your ratings are discounted). Even taking into account all that don't put any thought into ratings (as in the previous two examples), there are far more who do put thought into their ratings. That's why the system thrives. Of course, given the inherent anonymity it provides, people are going to naturally feel more free to be honest. That's why I appreciate the star system's feedback; it can give us a better idea of where we really stand. And taking that feedback to heart is part of what can help you improve.
So, instead of calling into question the current system's credibility, try doing some introspection to find out why a score is low. Being honest with yourself now will end up helping you in the long run.

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Post by Voices_Of_Ryan » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:46 am

I don't have anything over a 3.71 on any of my amv's (and that's on my newest one). I don't pay attention to the star score simply because I have no need to.

Whether I'm good enough or not, if you're not telling me (in an op) what i've done wrong. How can I correct that?

I just edit how I feel, and if people don't like it. I can't help that. Star score or no Star Score.
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Post by Tsunami Jones » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:41 pm

Wong wrote: People just give everythign the same star rating so they can DL more vids?
If they only give the same rating over and over again, their ratings end up being "disqualified," and no longer count.

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Post by quadir » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:51 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:If they only give the same rating over and over again, their ratings end up being "disqualified," and no longer count.
I can sadly admit to doing that, but I'm very glad to hear their discounted. I instead op to submit opinions, as they actually have comments.

Also I usually like to reflect on a video longer, meaning I'll often still be download things and not want to op the first video yet. It's hard enough to just things on a scale of 1-10... 1-5, with only 1 category is even more subjective.

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Post by Pie Row Maniac » Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:57 pm

Don't like the Star Rating system? IGNORE IT THEN.
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Post by Arigatomina » Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:42 pm

IcyCloud wrote:So, instead of calling into question the current system's credibility, try doing some introspection to find out why a score is low. Being honest with yourself now will end up helping you in the long run.
And this doesn't have to be a bad thing - low star scores don't have to mean anything about how good a vid is.

You have to take into account the genre (action/drama/romance) and who likes that genre (there are usually fewer females here than males, so if the genre appeals to males, chances are the score will reflect that).

You have to think about the anime used (popular anime come and go - make a Naruto vid, or a YYH vid - even if it's a bad vid, it'll probably have a higher star score than your vids for lesser-known anime - and if it's a dbz vid chances are the score will be lower since it's an unpopular anime that people go out of their way to diss).

The song is definitely a big factor but it's not just whether it's a popular song - pop songs tend to appeal to the younger crowd, especially the females, so if it's a romantic vid with a pop song and a pairing the girls like, chances are the girls will be the ones downloading the vid - and giving it high scores for having something they like. While the older crowd (and most of the guys) will avoid it - meaning you don't get the low "I don't like this" scores.

Consider who's downloading the vid. If you warn that only certain people will like the vid, chances are only those people will download it - and if you appealed to that target audience, they'll probably score it high. If you don't warn and everyone downloads it, only the target audience will appreciate it and you'll get a majority low score from the rest.

A lot of things go into low scores besides the quality of the video. Once you start considering the different elements to why people give the scores they do to particular vids, you can predict what score you'll end up with before the video is even available for download. No, it's nothing to worry about - just something interesting for those who like the think about audience reaction (no need to think with the reviews since people tell you why they score what they do - with the stars, thinking is required).

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