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Post by Otohiko » Wed May 16, 2007 1:56 pm

Kitsuner wrote: Or music, unless you're counting that as footage.
Haha, my bias is showing. While I generally buy DVDs with 'anime footage' in the back of my mind, the thought of AMVs has never crossed my mind while buying a CD :P

That's another discussion though, I guess...
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Post by lister007 » Wed May 16, 2007 2:44 pm

the vcas were not all that, and relflections shouldn't have taken all those places, there is ALOT of talent on the org....whatch the top % in each catorgory or method one and two and you'll see alot more....
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Post by JazzyDJ » Wed May 16, 2007 11:19 pm

I'm enjoying the discussion. This is a whole new community for me and seeing those video's was a whole new experience. I never expected fans to come up with so many effects that look like you would have needed a "powerful rig" to do it.

At the same time I think in these past 2-3 days I have skyrocketed my knowlege with editing digital video thanks to those video's and all of your posts. I've even gained some more idea's to make my previous idea's better thanks to this new knowlege.

I do have to agree that maybe some of the VCAs might have been slightly over rated. The reason being is that a couple of those video's I commented on, they were a whole new cool thing to see but at the same time in some scenes it looked like the editor just tried to cram every scene in the whole anime in a mater of .05 tenth seconds. It was just way too much in way to little bit of time. For a good example look at the last part of the 2006 winner. Great video but at that point it was nothing more than a bunch of "what was that?" kind of feeling as it was so excessive you were trying to play catch up and figure what the heck you just saw. Especially for the tempo of the song. It was just a bit too much. But like I said. Still a great video... I just couldn't stomach the quanity so quickly. It seemed that a number of those VCA videos did that at some point.
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Post by Bakadeshi » Fri May 18, 2007 12:36 pm

Esrhan wrote:
Minion wrote:it won best no FX this year. cool huh????
Its propaganda I tell you!
That was Haruhi's doing. She probably stood out in large croded places with mikuru in bunny suit handing out Vote for me flyers to every anime and amv fan that passes by until the cops stopped them for indecent exposure and cruelty to Mikuru ;p Those cops had their hands full with an angry Haruhi for quite some time afterwards.

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Post by ZephyrStar » Fri May 18, 2007 12:54 pm

Otohiko wrote:
ZephyrStar wrote:I kinda find that the "killer rig" thing is porportional to the person's interest in video/media to start with. I mean, the deeper you get into a hobby (or if you go professional) the more gear/upgrades/software/cameras/tablets etc you buy. I mean, some of us are into this so hardcore (and not just amv's, but digital media in general) that we are in it for life...it is our job, our hobby, our purpose :) So for me, forget buying a nice house or a sports car, I'm buying a damn camera or dual 42" displays :/
It's also proportional to a person's finances. Let's not forget many of us are teenagers and/or poor students. I'm certainly far more likely to buy dual 42" displays than a car in the future, but right now I couldn't afford a single 19" if I tried :lol:

Though I'm sure the average AMVer still spends thousands of dollars on the hobby, directly or indirectly (be it hardware, software or footage).
Yeah, I did the student thing so I know what that's like. But I did the student thing to get a better job to make more money to buy more stuff to make more vids/movies/stuff so yea :p

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Post by Kitsuner » Fri May 18, 2007 3:41 pm

Bakadeshi wrote:
Esrhan wrote:
Minion wrote:it won best no FX this year. cool huh????
Its propaganda I tell you!
That was Haruhi's doing. She probably stood out in large croded places with mikuru in bunny suit handing out Vote for me flyers to every anime and amv fan that passes by until the cops stopped them for indecent exposure and cruelty to Mikuru ;p Those cops had their hands full with an angry Haruhi for quite some time afterwards.
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Post by Willen » Sat May 19, 2007 7:17 am

Kitsuner wrote:I wouldn't mind filling my hands with Haruhi Image
I like where this discussion is going. :D
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Post by trythil » Sat May 19, 2007 6:28 pm

ZephyrStar wrote: So for me, forget buying a nice house or a sports car, I'm buying a damn camera or dual 42" displays :/
Yeah...

On topic:

Hardware and software can help, and they can even open up new possibilities, but the real driver -- as AtomX said -- is creativity and determination.

My most popular video (going by hits and Google search results) was produced on an Athlon Thunderbird 850, 384 MB of RAM, some really paltry amount of disk space on a Debian GNU/Linux box with pretty much unknown software.

I made a significant hardware upgrade shortly after making that video, but it took me a good two years or so to make something I could be happy with, despite having a greatly expanded toolbox. I don't think I've really come close since then, although people say this is a good approximation.

So it really works both ways. You can have all the equipment in the world and do nothing, or relatively crummy equipment and do something amazing. Digital video and the massive amount of software -- proprietary, free, and free (as in speech) -- out there to manipulate video / still images is pretty cool like that.

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Post by Willen » Sun May 20, 2007 8:41 am

trythil wrote:Yeah...
If you managed to take that picture WITH that lens, that would be awesome (since that would be doing the impossible). :P
Regardless, it's still a very nice lens, but I'm still going off topic, so...

I hate to repeat the words of other people that already replied, but using expensive or new hardware or software isn't a prerequisite to making a good (or great) AMV. What I've found is that the more effort you put into a video is worth more than the amount of money you spend on programs and equipment. Prodigi is a good example of what you can do even with older hardware (I cringed when I heard how slow his editing computer was). If you have tons of patience, some skill with an image editing program (like MS Paint), and a video editing software that accepts still images for footage (like WMM), remember that original animation videos have won VCAs before; and those take a lot of effort.

There are people with Adobe Premiere, After Effects, and Photoshop that cannot put out a video that is comparable to the better videos here. Admittedly, it may not totally be due to lack of effort, as AtomX said, creativity is part of the equation. This is partly why there may be tons of Naruto videos, some very solidly edited, but for one to stand out from the crowd now it would have to blow your socks off to get major notice.

Look at the 2006 VCAs. All videos using Naruto exclusively (this means it doesn't include other anime) released in 2005 were eligible. This equates to almost 3500 possible qualifying videos (including all videos that use Naruto, we end up with well over 4000 videos). Assuming that every one of these videos were not disqualified due to the editor not participating or for other reasons, you would figure that a Naruto video would inevitably win a VCA. In fact 2 did: Phenomenon and Naruto's Technique Beat (and a few others that incorporated Naruto footage among other anime).

Fast forward to the 2007 VCAs. We have approximately the same amount of eligible Naruto videos, plus a slightly smaller pool of total videos. But no Naruto only video won (only 2 winning videos even incorporated Naruto footage and these 2 videos could have been done without Naruto). Consider that Naruto started TV broadcasting in the US and other countries in late 2005, with relatively cheap R1 DVDs being available for purchase and rent for getting footage from, you'd expect someone would step up and produce a worthy video. And there were, but...

As had been noted, the creativity to combine Haibane Renmei footage with Rumbling Hearts (Kimi ga Nozomu Eien) to make a unique concept helped Reflections capture a bunch of VCAs (snatching away category wins from many other great videos).

Sure, using costly, more advanced programs can help make certain types of videos faster or easier to create. But they aren't required. And they don't have to cost money as trythil's video in his last link is proof of (and I'm not counting using illegal downloaded copies of Premiere, Vegas, Photoshop, etcetera in this argument).
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Post by CrackTheSky » Sun May 20, 2007 11:39 am

Willen wrote: If you managed to take that picture WITH that lens, that would be awesome
I lol'd :lol:

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