How bad does an AMV have to be?

[x_rex30]

Below 3 - Since most people are too nice to say this let me make it clear, you fucking suck. You suck worse than Britney Spears doing a cover of Jack Kerouac's poetry. You suck worse than Pee Wee Herman teaching a sex ed class. You suck more than William Shatner dressed as a chorus girl while singing Springtime for Hitler. Hell, you suck worse than *ME* and that's rather difficult to do. If you get lower than a 3 and you weren't intentionally making something horrible then it's time for you to admit what an abject loser you are, give up, and go find another hobby. Please? I hear coin collecting is exciting and rather difficult to screw up no matter how big of a twit you are.

That is a slanderous generalization and I would like to counter that argument with this.

For few examples.. my highest rated video on the site and also one of the most viewed videos when if first came out dangled right under a 3. This is to say it must suck but a lot might argue that it is my best video. Even the thread I made for it had a lot of good replies. Why is it so high now? Because people feel sorry for me because it's so bad? Well like you said it is more legit if you've got at least 100 star reviews because if it's under 100 it basically means nothing. Maybe that generalization is based off of having more than 100 reviews.

Another example is one video of mine that had around 20 reviews and it averaged out at 4 stars. It was that high for 2 months. I released this late in the AMV Announcements and started bragging about it taking 4 hours to make and even added that in the video comments.. Me announcing that I only spent 4 hours on it I think was what shot the score down, after a few more reviews I had under the 3 mark. Its odd that that piece of info would shoot the score down.. I left the info in about the time I spent on the video and at sometime many months later thought it was causing my score to stay at around 3 stars so I decided to remove the information about how long it took to make. Oddly enough it has been going up ever since.

Well like you said earlier you probably base that statement about having under a 3 on the people who have at least 100 scores. If that is what you mean then I could agree.

But getting below a three and having more than 100 scores means you suck, just as you bluntly say, right?

[star count: 326][star avg: 2.88]

Does it matter the circumstances? lol. I guess not..

[x_rex30]

Well I skipped through what you wrote and didn't read between the lines. There is some satire and you astutely did that to get a rise out of people and it worked (or not and I'm just being hard headed). You even say "Hell, you suck worse than *ME* and that's rather difficult to do."

Pardon me.

[godix]

Well I skipped through what you wrote and didn't read between the lines. There is some satire and you astutely did that to get a rise out of people and it worked (or not and I'm just being hard headed).

You read too much into my motives, if I was trolling to get a rise out of people I would be subtler. I was just being an opinionated asshole. Regardless of that, I was generalizing off more than 100 stars. Below that I consider the star scale worthless. Actually above that I consider it worthless as well, but it's a type of worthlessness that more accurately judges peoples opinion of the video.

Also you missed your chance to point out the one that is [stars: 424] [star avg: 2.64]. I'm kinda suprised that's all, there are at least two more than should be under 3.0 but aren't.

[Arigatomina]

Someone did a chart on star distribution a while back. It showed the same sort of shift as the op scores - few on the low and high, and a wide distribution between the middle-good.

I don't have a good program for charting, but I did a quick distro of my stars and it's pretty easy to read:



Note that the top and bottom videos (one vid each) have fewer than 100 stars. I've done a lot of craptacular vids, so I wouldn't put too much weight on the scores. The popularity of the anime choice, or the unpopularity of the pairing choice, seem to have a lot more to do with the score than the quality of the editing. The op scores have sections for technical breakdowns, so I see the stars as a "love/like/meh/dislike/hate" rating system. A 3 or below means no one likes your vid, it doesn't mean the editing is bad no more than a 3+ score means the editing is good.

What does it take? Well, if you're looking to get a low score, make something no one will like. Stay away from sources and themes that other people are interested in. Edit that uninteresting vid poorly, and the score will be even lower.

[Full Metal Sempai]

Well,when I entered the amv world but before I had found the a-m-v.org a friend of mine gave me 2 dvds with amvs.Among them,it was a matter if 20% of them were just below average.

So,after entering a-m-v.org I mostly download from top 10% and of course based on ops.I don't want to get crappy vids at all and if I ever get one,I delete it immediately.I have spotted several awesome creators and I tend to download mainly from them.
Therefore,I rarely give low ratings to amvs since most of times,they are simply very good.The last months however,I rarely give a 5,mainly 3s and some 4s.

Anyway,for me to give 1s and 2s the combination of music/scenes sucks,the quality is awful and mainly,I can't stand hearing the song for too long.It's pretty subjective the matter,after all...

[Cornwiggle]

I don't consider 3.3 to be below average.

And I don't care about the overall score at all. What I like is just knowing that someone out there liked it enough to give it a 4. That's all I like

If I make a vid I totally love and it has 3.33 as the score, 200 stars, I know I made something that a lot of people have enjoyed. Good enough for me.

[Denkyufan]

If something is an average of 3 then that means that someone must of given you higher numbers than a 3 to balance out the ones you got below the 3 average. Meaning, that some really liked your video's and others didn't.

Remember that not all anime fans are created equal. Some are hardcore Cartoon Networkers and don't really care for any anime out side it. Some are hardcore Otaku's who get displeased if you do anything that was heavly edited on TV and assume you are one of the plentaful noobs out there.

There's soo many factors which means that for the most part (NOT ALWAYS) a low rating here and there isn't your fault.

Heck, look at any blockbuster on rottentomatoes.com some of them have gotten bad reviews. Some of the best and most popular movies released usually have a few pans.

[8bit_samurai]

Forgot those who just watch [as]. It was either CN or [as] (or both, or Williams Street, but somebody from there) that considered [as] a seperate networking service or treated as a seperate channel, or seperate entity or something. Forgot which terms they use, but something like that.
To me 3 is an average score, given I can't give 2.5 stars rather than 2 or 3. I try to dl good amvs, using super search to find the highest star rated amv using a certain source, either anime or song/artist, sometimes I use the recommended threads. There were a couple amvs I download on the spur of the moment that I actually enjoyed, but I try to get the good ones. I gave out 22 5s 72 4s 35 3s and 2 2s. I prefer to trust those who gave out the star ratings before me. I can't tell if my taste is good or bad when it comes to everybody else's taste so I don't think I'll give any ones. And also I'm not a good critic or anything and don't really know how to give advice. It usually comes out awkward and misleading. But then again I'm the kinda guy who's generous or something, given that I gave out a buncha 4s. The 2 2s that I gave, which was before I started using super search, was a couple of vids I saw that to me they didn't use the songs right and didn't seem fitting. I think that's what a bad amv to me is, just as long as the footage is aright and doesn't have too much distractions and doesn't get too out of focus. Or something like that anyways.

[SarahtheBoring]

I wonder if the fact that many people avoid the obviously bad videos, it sort of gives them an artificially higher star rating due to the fact that the people that would typically download them are probably fans of the music/anime and are going to be kinder on the video score-wise.

This is what I planned to say, but you got to it first.

I rarely have to give out 1s because I try to, you know, pay attention to what I'm downloading and not download abject crap. (Hey, folks, it really helps if you "apologize" for unintentional/random subtitles in your video description. Thank you. You save me so much time by doing that.)

I probably miss some good AMVs with bad descriptions, but I'll take that chance.

/cynicaloldbastard

Anyway, I'd suggest that people often find a particular video because: a) other people recommend the video to them or b) it's made of components that they like, either visual or audio. Either of those factors would lead to higher scores than a strictly random grab. And people do do random grabs, but most, I'd suspect, don't.

[dj_ultima_the_great]

And people do do random grabs, but most, I'd suspect, don't.

Heh. Yeah. That's where a good chunk of my 4500+ downloads have come from. XD

Occasionally, I do "mass downloads." Meaning, I Super Search an anime - let's say, Fruits Basket. 1000 entries. I then go through and download every single video using only Furuba. It takes a while, but on a lazy weekend, I can sift through an anime with about three hundred entries.

(On a somewhat related point, I've also downloaded all of the Local Top Ten Percent now. Contrary to what many cynical people say, there's actually a TON of good videos up there. You just don't hear as often about the ones that made the list, but have sat there ever since, collecting dust and no opinions.)

Anyway, the point is that I've found a good deal of very nice videos that never get noticed. Alternatively, I find a lot of crap, too. Despite how much I support WMM and its capabilities, most of those users are the offenders. However, I don't blame it on the program being "bad." I blame it on the program being "free." I mean, how many people are going to shell out 500+ dollars on Premiere or Vegas just to put out a crappy video? True, it happens, but not anywhere near as often. Easy access is the reason why many people make bad AMVs. "It's a program. It's there. YAY LET'S MAKE AN AMV!"


- Jen