What does it take?

Tono_Fyr · Post by **Tono_Fyr** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:22 pm

Let's see... I look for:
1. Editors I know are good and/or talk to regularly to semi-regularly.
2. Things that make me go "Eh? what's this?"
3. Does not include the words "Naruto" "InuYasha" or "DBZ" in the title anywhere (unless it's bashing one of them).
4. doesn't rely too heavily on the song's name.
5. Isn't just the name of the song, band, and anime used with "AMV" tacked on.
6. *Generally* if there are multiple AMVs denoted, I skip it.
7. If the name of a band I like is mentioned, I'll generally look into.
8. If there are a good number of replies, (about ten is a good benchmark).

AquaSky · Post by **AquaSky** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:42 pm

If I see a title that appeals to my personal tastes (be it anime/artist/genre), I'll usually give it a quick look. Also, if it's worded in a way that's intriguing and piques my curiosity, I'm more inclined to read it. And, as others have said, if I happen to see a new one from an editor whose previous works I've enjoyed, I'll often check it out.

silver_moon · Post by **silver_moon** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:38 pm

You Choose Sam, the rest wrote:The whole silvermoon/sierra question could have been asked in a private message and I am surprised a person like you dj_ultima that has been on the org for a while hasn't found out their winning formula:

Newest and hippiest anime (Naruto) + Effects driven video = the win

Man, we each make one Naruto video and now that's all we're seen as? Editors that just go with the latest craze?

We just make whatever we feel like, seriously. Sometimes that includes lesser used anime, sometimes it doesn't. And we definitely have no such "winning formula". Don't you think that maybe our videos get good reviews instead because of the editing skills that we've developed over the years, and because of something called "effort" that we put into our videos?

Anyways, back on topic:
It's like everyone seems to think that it's futile for a video to get noticed or become popular if the creator is not very well known or if the anime is not Naruto/InuYasha/DBZ. It's not futile!! If your video is very well edited, it is going to get good reviews at some time or the other. It may take longer for them to come, but they will come. And how many replies you get in the announcements forum does not always indicate how popular your video is going to become. One video that I released got only two replies in the forums, and now it's my most popular video.

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:43 pm

It takes a keg of beer, a team of dogs, a guy named Guido, and a stroke of good fortune.

... What were we talking about, again?

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:02 pm

Also, I failed to add that if someone has "the great" or something similar in their name, I'm very likely to pass it off as undeserved arrogance until I'm told otherwise.

ANTDrakko · Post by **ANTDrakko** » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:17 pm

Who are you making these videos for mostly?

If for yourself, then none of this should matter. Show it to whoever comes upon it.

If for people here @ a-m-v.org , then post it once in the AMV Announcements, do opinion ops (though I am personally against that, seeing as most opinions seem to be rather pointless), and pimp in the IRC chat.

If for EVERYONE, then enter your videos into conventions and online contests. People remember the ones they like.

Want to know the secret of how to become better known no matter which one you choose? Make it good. And by good I don't mean average. I mean make it excellently edited and superbly synched. Make sure the audio is catchy and the video is known.

Though not ALL your ideas may not conform to such standards, welcome to the general life in entertainment(though, how much of a "life" is this?

). Do you think that all the stuff you see on T.V. is all thats out there? Of course not, we all know this. But studies show that whats on T.V. is what most people like. Same thing applies to your videos.

Its ENTIRELY possible to make a great video with a "meh" song and a "huh?" anime, but your work would have to overcome both of them. A video with a catchy audio and a known anime does not have to overcome them.

"If you build it (good), they will come" .

I can't remember what that was from, but I know its famous, or something.

~Seen

dj_ultima_the_great · Post by **dj_ultima_the_great** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:13 am

I have a lot to say, but I'm going to try to keep this simple.

First off, to all of the people that I used as examples, I never meant any malice towards you. In fact, I used you as examples because I really respect your talent. I'm sorry if it ever came off as otherwise, because that wasn't my intention. Also, to those who are in this situation, and responded anyway, I thank you for that.

You choose Sam,the rest and ANTDrakko - I'm only going to target one of the things you both said, though I found the rest of it to be helpful, like everything else thus far. "Who am I making my videos for?" Well, everyone...and no one. I see it as a way of making new friends, not gaining popularity. Who doesn't like making a new friend? Besides, this topic has been covered hundreds of times, and I'd rather not go over it again.

Oh, Sam. I do have one more thing to address. Why should I have PMed silver and Sierra? Is there something wrong with praising them publicly? It's not like I was saying anything bad about either one of them. Quite the opposite - which I already said above, anyway. I'm not being sarcastic; I'm just a little confused to what you were getting at.

jbone - that was completely useless...but amusing.

Flint the Dwarf - fuck you. Seriously. How low do you have to stoop to bash someone's username? For your information, my sister called me DJ Ultima one day as a joke, and when I joined my first site, that name was already taken. So, I tacked on the first thing that came to mind: "the_great." I was thinking along the lines of a magician's name, not false self-confidence. Put some thought into your next pathetic insult, would you?

So, thanks for the replies, everyone. I think I've gotten all I can out of this thread, so don't expect much more from me on this topic.

- dj_ultima_the_great

Infinity Squared · Post by **Infinity Squared** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:01 am

You choose Sam,the rest wrote:.I'd much rather prefer the person watching the video to make their own damn mind on what the video, just takes the fun out of it if the editor just say "THIS IS THE POINT OF MY AMV". The final problem would be editors explaining the "making of" which pretty much what makes most video comments appear to long. If I was interesting in the history, how you did a certain effect or if I can give you a hang job then I'll email you. Otherwise, it's just a waste of space.

But seriously, that is the point of having a video information page for people's videos. It's not (generally) meant to be a place to inflate one's ego and tell your life story... it's to document just what it took to get this video up here, and at least in most cases I find that this is the case, that people write explanations so that there would be no need to email/PM them for it... quite frankly, personally I'm quite flooded with emails as it is from various parts of my professional/internet life, and adding another thing to my list is just bordering annoying... also, people are lazy which means they will more than likely will not go and email the creator about their videos at all and hence, perhaps if the video info never existed, the perpetuation of good editing skills will not work as efficiently as much as it *might* be happening now.

Me, when I look at the Announcements forum, besides what people have already mentioned, if I got to the point where I actually opened up the thread, whether or not there was some kind of info on their post, I actually generally go straight to the user profile as well and do read what's written there... I agree somewhat with the "if they didn't bother, why should I" principle, in that if I see in their profile and video info that they are here to mean business by taking the time to make interesting information and even a catchy profile pic, then they must really be here to get attention and hope that their obsession leads to great works. The more videos I see in your profile, the more I might be interested to stay because at least I can see that you are not giving up, even if the number or score of ops isn't up to scratch... I'm very much for the small guys, but at least put the effort

And to that effect, though I frequent the Announcements forum, I'm not much of a poster there... so to that effect, I suggest looking at the "Views" field more to indicate whether people paid any attention to your video at all. Just like I'm too lazy to write emails or PM for info on vids if that was how we were suppose to get information, I'm also equally lazy when it comes to posts that only take a few lines to answer which I might be repeating too much (eg. Nice video, crap video, I like your gun, etc.)

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:50 pm

The best way to get replies, opinions, popularity, ect is to make entertaining videos that people enjoy and/or respect. A couple people have achieved this level of status without making good videos, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Theres really nothing more to it. If people aren't replying, you need to make better videos. End of story.

Knowname · Post by **Knowname** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:39 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:Who are you making these videos for mostly?

If for yourself, then none of this should matter. Show it to whoever comes upon it.

If for people here @ a-m-v.org , then post it once in the AMV Announcements, do opinion ops (though I am personally against that, seeing as most opinions seem to be rather pointless), and pimp in the IRC chat.

If for EVERYONE, then enter your videos into conventions and online contests. People remember the ones they like.

Want to know the secret of how to become better known no matter which one you choose? Make it good. And by good I don't mean average. I mean make it excellently edited and superbly synched. Make sure the audio is catchy and the video is known.

Though not ALL your ideas may not conform to such standards, welcome to the general life in entertainment(though, how much of a "life" is this? ). Do you think that all the stuff you see on T.V. is all thats out there? Of course not, we all know this. But studies show that whats on T.V. is what most people like. Same thing applies to your videos.

Its ENTIRELY possible to make a great video with a "meh" song and a "huh?" anime, but your work would have to overcome both of them. A video with a catchy audio and a known anime does not have to overcome them.

"If you build it (good), they will come" .

I can't remember what that was from, but I know its famous, or something.

~Seen

I should also add you CAN make a bad amv... especially your first one.