Lack of Meaning!!!

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:59 pm

Otohiko wrote:Oh no, I fully believe that. I didn't mean the simpler stuff is easier to make or takes less effort per se; I just meant 'simpler-looking', without tons of overlays and floating boxes.
Of course, anything can take huge amounts of effort if you want it perfect, even if it's cross-dissolve only.

Frankly, I sometimes wish cross-dissolve was the only available effect

Nah I wasn't accusing you of saying it was "easier" or anything equaly derogatory. I just wanted to ramble about my own techniques like an arrogant asshole

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I honestly would be perfectly fine with just the cross-dissolve...ok and rubberbands for opacity (which is more or less what cross-dissolve is). I know I mostly did that at ACen for Iron Chef.

In fact, my next two videos *might* be just that (I'm gonna laugh the moment I open up AE and eat my own words

), as opposed to After Effects, lip-sync and rotoscoping (i.e TEH PAIN!!!).

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:00 pm

Crzy_Tetsuo wrote:I saw an evangelion AMV that went to the Blue Oyster Cult song Fear the Reaper that was easily noticable that it was his first video, but the video had meaning to it. It showed promise, I guess thats what I'm trying to get across. I've been seeing less and less videos that show promise and more and more vids with clips just thrown together with a few neat effects.

I know the video you mean - it wasn't his very first, but it was an early 'experiment' of his. ^_^ I thought it went well, but most thought it didn't really match what he was aiming for - a disappointment for him. That's the real problem - the videos that are the most meaningful tend to be meaningful only to the creator and those who happen to see things the same way *as* the creator. Because a meaningful vid is usually one that has close personal ties to the creator's thoughts and values - aspects that are difficult to translate to a wide audience.

It's not that meaningful vids are rare, just that vids that can touch all viewers are rare - because they tend not to be vids the creator made for himself, but rather, vids he made knowing what would affect people best. I think it's difficult to make a video *everyone* will find meaningful unless you disregard yourself and aim for something all will be able to grasp and appreciate. There's nothing wrong with feeding a target audience, but since this is a personal hobby to many editors, the majority don't aim for that - so few vids accidentally match what everyone finds meaningful - the rest only touch similarly minded people.

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:48 pm

Otohiko wrote: Frankly, I sometimes wish cross-dissolve was the only available effect

yes, and then the best video would be the one with flashy, different colored cross-dissolves

-flying squares being cross-disolved?
-it's possible
-u don't say

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:57 pm

nailz1000 wrote:check out these.

x 2

Great videos, those.

Anyway, I try to put meaning into all of my videos. But I can completely understand why some people don't even bother, as the meaning was either lost on most people or just disliked. People put a lot of time into meaningful videos, and half the time they're shot down. It just feels like a waste of time, so some people don't even bother. Why make something meaningful when you can make flashy pointless action that gets you hordes of fans?

Still, I'm going to keep making my videos how I make them because that's how I like them. If I keep making videos. And I most likely won't announce them anymore. Might not even host them. But that's no big deal.

Atvaark · Post by **Atvaark** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:05 am

bote wrote:If you think Euphoria didn't deserve those then you're just rebelling.

OK. So nobody has the right to not love Euphoria? Then why vote?

I'm very glad you love Euphoria. I don't dislike that vid. It's really cool that you defend it, it shows it's your favorite.

If you want to know, I didn't watch RahXephon, and Euphoria didn't make me particularly want to watch it. I wish it made me understand things. I wish it made me feel an atmosphere. I didn't feel anything like that. I felt music, flashes and rythm.
You can't deny what I felt...

About the time Koop has spent, yeah, that's probably a lot, but since when do you measure quality on time? There's no such objective measurement for quality. Unless you're a very peculiar person who likes time

Don't get angry on me, I'm not saying "hey guys, that vid's shit". Not at all. Just, "I think it doesn't deserve the prize, and here's why."
(Still I'm not saying it shouldn't have won... Most people voted for it, I can't deny democracy.)

And I mean it, I'm not rebelling. I'm past the age.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:53 am

You have every right not to like Euphoria, and I'm sure Koop's fine with that.

But this is the perfect exampe. Euphoria does have a point, and Koop tried so damn hard to show it. And some people saw it, myself included (without seeing the anime). And you didn't. He spent so much time on that thing, and 90% of the people who watch it can't be bothered to look past the effects. That's just his style. But now, if you're Koop, why even aim for something meaningful at this point? I can't think of a single good reason, except to please himself.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:02 am

As far as I'm concerened, I do my damndest to make sure that my vid has impact. Whether it be morbid, romantic or comedic. One of these days I may actually finish and upload a vid before my harddrive gets formatted.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:04 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:But now, if you're Koop, why even aim for something meaningful at this point? I can't think of a single good reason, except to please himself.

Isn't that the reason most people make AMVs? To please themselves?

Crzy_Tetsuo · Post by **Crzy_Tetsuo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:05 am

Arigatomyna wrote:
Crzy_Tetsuo wrote:I saw an evangelion AMV that went to the Blue Oyster Cult song Fear the Reaper that was easily noticable that it was his first video, but the video had meaning to it. It showed promise, I guess thats what I'm trying to get across. I've been seeing less and less videos that show promise and more and more vids with clips just thrown together with a few neat effects.
I know the video you mean - it wasn't his very first, but it was an early 'experiment' of his. ^_^ I thought it went well, but most thought it didn't really match what he was aiming for - a disappointment for him. That's the real problem - the videos that are the most meaningful tend to be meaningful only to the creator and those who happen to see things the same way *as* the creator. Because a meaningful vid is usually one that has close personal ties to the creator's thoughts and values - aspects that are difficult to translate to a wide audience.

It's not that meaningful vids are rare, just that vids that can touch all viewers are rare - because they tend not to be vids the creator made for himself, but rather, vids he made knowing what would affect people best. I think it's difficult to make a video *everyone* will find meaningful unless you disregard yourself and aim for something all will be able to grasp and appreciate. There's nothing wrong with feeding a target audience, but since this is a personal hobby to many editors, the majority don't aim for that - so few vids accidentally match what everyone finds meaningful - the rest only touch similarly minded people.

I think you said it the best, I think you understand the most of what I'm trying to say here. Thank you for clarifying what i was trying to get across

Crzy_Tetsuo · Post by **Crzy_Tetsuo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:08 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:You have every right not to like Euphoria, and I'm sure Koop's fine with that.

But this is the perfect exampe. Euphoria does have a point, and Koop tried so damn hard to show it. And some people saw it, myself included (without seeing the anime). And you didn't. He spent so much time on that thing, and 90% of the people who watch it can't be bothered to look past the effects. That's just his style. But now, if you're Koop, why even aim for something meaningful at this point? I can't think of a single good reason, except to please himself.

I understand what you are saying as well, when i first saw the vid, i'll admit, i was taken away by the effects that I didn't even see what he was trying to do. But the more I watched it, the more I realized the point he was getting across. I liked his vid, but I hated it at the same time. Most people wouldn't understand that vid, they voted on it cause it was beautiful, but at the same time, I guarantee that a lot of people didn't even listen to the words of the song. The video was beautiful that it was well done, and had a great story to it, but the story is hidden by the effects, which is why i hate it.