Kearly's REVENGE!

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Post by Scintilla » Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:09 pm

BogoSort wrote:
Scintilla wrote:Even though I'm sorely lacking in quantity. :cry:
Dude, you've got as many amvs under your belt as I do, and I've been at this for way longer than you.
You've got 5. I've got 3 (not counting the 1.5-minute travesty I put out in April and the video that doesn't exist AT ALL because I was stupid about "Add[ing] New Video").
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dwchang wrote:BTW I hate to be mean, but does this scoring really mean that much to you? I think you should seriously re-evaluate why you do this then.
What about: people like me when I'm making AMVs, and making AMVs validates my existence. Is that a better reason?
You need to change your avatar to Shinji.
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Post by BogoSort » Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:14 pm

Scintilla wrote:You've got 5. I've got 3 (not counting the 1.5-minute travesty I put out in April and the video that doesn't exist AT ALL because I was stupid about "Add[ing] New Video").
I've only got 4, maybe 4.25(DDR doesn't really count as a full amv). I count 4 on your profile. So if we round it off, we've done the same number. Quantity has nothing on quality anyways. Who cares if you can churn out tons of stuff if it's all crap?

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Post by Arigatomina » Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:47 pm

Why is no one focusing on the worst part of this? The fact that the person *only* reviewed the vid in order to get it off the top 10 list - that's the worst part of this. That's what was insulting and uncalled for. That's the problem.

It's just like a popular vid getting 1s to try and take down the score because people are jealous. Two people (I'm sure there would have been more if the vid had lasted on the top longer) saw a vid with LP and scored low so it would be knocked off the list. That's all this is - a word or two of possible advice (one mention of fades) and you think that makes up for the fact that it was a deliberate attack to protect the sanctity of the 'top 10 list'? Hardly.

Black Magic was honest - why don't the rest of you be honest as well? The reason no one cares about the scores here - the reason people are saying 'don't whine if you get low reviews' is because it's an LP vid. They agree with Black Magic - an LP vid shouldn't be on the top 10 list because it's an insult the the 'great creators'.

So far the only vids I've seen survive this sort of attack are ones that were hosted on direct links - where the creator removed the links after the video reached a high mark on the top list. Then, there's less chance of deliberate low scores just because someone didn't like seeing the title on the precious top list.

And I'd agree with Paulo here - the only way to avoid it is to make sure you get enough low scores mixed with the good reviews that your videos never make it that high - then you won't get the negative attention. And you won't have people here complaining because you had the nerve to get upset by the inherent elitism in the top list and the way people purposely ruin scores to keep it 'newbie-free'.

If you're going to complain about Kearly, at least admit *why* you see nothing wrong here. The person attacked the vid because it was on the top list and to have such a video rating high was an insult to the 'great editors'. And you see nothing wrong with that - it's life, and as long as we all smile and pretend it doesn't happen it's fine. But that's not the case when it's a 'great vid' being attacked now is it?

I seem to remember giving an honest (if poor since I'm just another dumb noob) review to Dwchang and getting an immediate response - "you just ruined my position on the top 10 list with your reviewability score". Tell me it doesn't matter all you want, but when it's not a newbie complaining it seems to matter plenty. :?

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Post by NineBirds » Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:29 pm

Wow, you completely missed the point.

He recieved a three because that's what the AMV deserved.

His video is just not that great. It would have been better if he hadn't been so hot and heavy on using the digital effects--right now it looks like he just discovered a couple of new functions and can't get over how TOTALLY AWESOME they are.

It had no point. It matched with the song (but good Lord, what doesn't?), but it didn't go anywhere with it. The scene cuts were schizophrenic, completely random.

He took an over-used song and put it to a cliche topic. Dramatic action with "In The End"--gee, that's new.

I could care less who did the vid, as long as it's good.

This video was not good.

But this is not why I'm pissed. I'm angry because he has the gall to complain when people give his video the ratings it deserves. He puts out his first video--his first, completely average for a newbie video--and instead of having the good grace to accept good and bad comments (which all creators, old and new, should have), whines about it. Incessantly. He makes a thread titled "Kurley's Revenge!", as if he was righting some great, world-shattering injustice. He repeatedly urges the readers to give him inflated scores because his video "deserves" it, and when he gets those scores--8.3!--he still complains that it needs to be higher. Bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, whine, whine.

I am not angry because I'm part of some giant conspiracy against poor lil' genius newbies who get beat down on by the slaves of the great creators--who so obviously have inferior "artistic vision" to Kurley here, right?--or because I'm trying to maintain some kind of crappy status quo against Linkin Park videos. No, I just cannot stand whiners. And even worse than whiners are pretentious whiners, and this boy is competing for the gold medal in that division. Frankly, if you look at others' posts, you'll see they're mad for the same reason.

I cannot imagine why you would condone that kind of behavior. Supporting this kind of crybaby self-absorbed little boyishness--really!
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Post by mckeed » Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:55 pm

Wow, this whole thread is amusing. I got some advice. Develop thick skin. The average maturity level on this board is like 12 years old. There are responsible and mature ppl here, but with as many ppl who visit this site, your bound to get some crappy reviews. It happened to me. Someone said "i hate this song so i'm giving it bad reviews" You deal with it. You don't complain and bitch about it. You send emal to phade if you think it is such a travestly. If you wanted this thread to be oppinion horor stories, you should have labeled it as such, not some sort of revenge. You have to understand that it is hard to emote things on a digital forum and be extra carefull about what and how you post things. Lots of things seem to have been misinterpreted allready in replys. If I were you i would stop watching this topic and get on with your life. Period.
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Post by Arigatomina » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:07 am

NineBirds wrote:Wow, you completely missed the point.

I cannot imagine why you would condone that kind of behavior. Supporting this kind of crybaby self-absorbed little boyishness--really!
No, but it seems you are still avoiding the issue. I'm not condoning a crybaby. I'm not supporting people who whine about low scores. You ignored my comments completely if you think that is what this topic is even about.

And if you read the original post you'll see that he isn't complaining because the vid got a score "it deserves" - he's complaining because the person only gave that score to take it off the top list.
Wow, you completely missed the point.
And you just missed it again. :roll:

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Post by dbz_doomrider » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:31 am

Heh....

Alright, I concur this is absolutely ridiculous. Get a hold of yourself sir!

Alright K, first thing is first. People here have different standards, remember that. New people are amazed by things that many people who have been doing this forever are not.
...People who are older want more bang for their buck, god knows why :roll:. You may think you created a god, while others may truly believe you created a monster :p.

So, keep in mind that just because a bunch of random people loved it, that does not mean people who dislike it are assholes. On the contrary in fact! They are those who went to download your music video, expected more, and got less. They told you what it was you threw it them, what they liked, what they hated, and made somewhat educated points about it. Fine, no issues anymore.

This thread is absolutely pointless other than that :\. Stop complaining.



Oh...and as a nice gesture, don't take opinions to heart...to each his own ^_^......and of course there -are- assholes, such as those who make reviews for the sake of bringing down scores.

These people can be found usually on the most useless opinionators list, and usefullness ratings can be found in each individuals profile. If somebody gives you a horrible rating with 5 words TOTAL in it for instance, you should be concerned. Check to see if they have done this many times
...and yeah, like others said, get Phade to remove the opinion if the guy is just fooling around, or taking strikes at you.

Hope that helps...:)
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Post by Warpwind » Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:03 am

Meh the opinion wasn't that bad... the scores in Black Magic's opinion ranged from 1 to 9. Admittedly there is little in the way of feedback. No offence Kearlywi but while it is a nice video and a really good one for your first it probably doesn't belong with the top 100% of videos the org has to offer. Still I and asuredly others have found your video to be enjoyable. If it makes you feel better it is undoubtly better than my first or second effort.

Just remember that you should really make videos for only one person... yourself. Sure make them for your friends too but I really wouldn't comprimise to the point where I was making them for the average internet user.

Now as to Arigatomyna's point...
Yes people will target videos that make the top lists and if the video doesn't meet their opinon of "top" then some will feel the need to ensure that it is no longer there. Now they shouldn't deflate their scores to make this happen, ideally they should give an honest opinion. If engough people give an honest opinion and the video really doesn't belong there it won't stay there.
Conversly people also see that there favourite video has dropped a notch and think "NOOOO" and decide they immediately have to give it a all 10's opinion. This is also bad in my mind. Why can't people give scores that are more honest and thought out? If that video is truely the greatest video on earth (yes that was sarcasm there) then it will undoubtably get more honest opinions and reclaim it's place atop the pile. If not then maybe the video that surpased it is really good and you should have a look.
Now there is no way to stop people doing this. This is the internet people, here we have a cross section of the wealthier nations of the world and thus it's no big surprise that we wouldn't want to know most of them. Yes people have greater freedom here and so they can be as big pricks as they want to be.

And remember as it's already been mentioned the top and bottom 10% of the scores is not included in calculating the overall score. So that one person attacking a video that had the misfortune to score too highly early on and that person that inflates their favourite videos are not even counted... unless of course there is whole flotilla of them or something.

In Kearlywi's case the 10 score he gave and the 3 score whomever gave are more then likely discounted.

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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:13 am

Okay, this thread can die now.
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Post by kearlywi » Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:32 am

flint_the_dwarf wrote:Okay, this thread can die now.
Quick! Someone contact Phade!

(I'm sorry but I had to say that :lol: )

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