Where: #amv-review server irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 21:00 EDT (9pm) DL @ 20:30 EDT (8pm)
We are looking video submissions from anyone of anyone's videos! pm me or email at quadir@animemusicvideos.org)
This week's video:
Link: (808-buma) - 2007 - Unrequited
Editor: Roy B. (808-buma)
Category: Drama
Anime: Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040, Neon Genesis Evangelion (EoE) [Spoilers]
Song: Jack Johnson - Sitting, Waiting, Wishing
Tags: [Mild Nudity]
Please don't feel you need to read the irc log before jumping into the discussion here!
IRC Log of discussion (see first reply for Quadir's Highlights):
Participants: Arkada (Tristan Gallant), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), jonnkakarotto (Jim Morrison), Kionon, quadir (Olivier Beaton), teya
Bonus Video:Edited IRC Log wrote:20:36 <quadir> Thanks for the submissions, our 3 judges ended up choosing 808-buma's Unrequited. Don't forget there is a bonus vid discussion afterwards.
20:36 <quadir> Video: (808-buma) - 2007 - Unrequited
20:36 <quadir> Editor: Roy B. (808-buma)
20:36 <quadir> Category: Drama
20:36 <quadir> Anime: Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040, Neon Genesis Evangelion (EoE) [Spoilers]
20:36 <quadir> Song: Jack Johnson - Sitting, Waiting, Wishing
20:36 <jonnkakarotto> wait
20:36 <jonnkakarotto> jack johnson?
20:37 <jonnkakarotto> this should be interesting
20:40 <Arkada> The judges seem to enjoy Evangelion vids
20:40 <G_Q> A buma vid. Nice.
20:40 <jonnkakarotto> well, we went off on Mahoro there for a bit
20:41 <jonnkakarotto> But so far, yeah. Lots of Evangelion
20:42 <Kionon> I personally didn't choose it for its source material.
20:43 <Kionon> But rather for it's ingenious AU rotoscoping.
20:43 <Kionon> I actually think eva is overrated.
20:43 <Arkada> It does have that
20:43 <quadir> Arkada: it's a bubblegum vid!
20:43 <quadir> Arkada: but yeah almost didn't get picked because we did a eva vid recently
20:44 <Arkada> quadir: when 2/3 sources are Evangelion its an Evangelion vid with bubblegum on the side
20:44 <jonnkakarotto> AU rotoscoping?
20:45 <Arkada> quadir: and it figures that that eva vid is the last review I was here for, lol
20:45 <quadir> Arkada: also this is about the most uneva vid I've ever seen
20:48 <Arkada> quadir: I would agree, withough the usual action scenes, I have to give some more orig points
20:48 <quadir> the fact is a lot of people just have the eva dvd's
20:49 <Arkada> quadir: I don't lol
20:55 -!- jonnkakarotto has quit
20:59 <quadir> finish up your ops and we'll start
21:00 <Kionon> Mine won't be done for hours. Thirty minutes is never enough for me, you know that. :P
21:00 <Kionon> But I can certainly discuss it.
21:00 <quadir> Kionon: you can submit a short one first
21:01 <quadir> Kionon: one other guy in here edits his later with a lot more detail
21:02 <Kionon> Okay, I'll post a short one now.
21:03 -!- jonnkakarotto has joined #amv-review
21:09 <quadir> I have to admit I'm a bit of a sucker for AU
21:09 <jonnkakarotto> ok, first off, AU?
21:09 <Arkada> heh, I can see why
21:09 <quadir> AU = Alternate Universe
21:09 <jonnkakarotto> ah
21:09 <quadir> it's when you take an anime and tell a story that doesn't relate whatsoever to the story told in the anime itself
21:10 <quadir> basicly just using the anime as your footage, as if you had planned to draw it JUST LIKE THAT
21:10 <quadir> it doesn't have to be multi-series
21:10 <quadir> but that helps in creating a more dynamic story, if you can mesh them well together
21:10 <Arkada> another good example would be istiv's "The race"
21:10 <quadir> not really
21:10 <Arkada> no?
21:10 <quadir> I would disagree
21:10 <Arkada> how so?
21:10 <quadir> the race tries, but I'd say it fails.
21:11 <Arkada> cause it has no real story?
21:11 <Kionon> or Tainted Donuts.
21:11 <quadir> Trainted Donuts was the example I would of given
21:11 <jonnkakarotto> I like Tainted Donuts
21:11 <Kionon> Tainted Donuts is even better because it fits with the universes chosen.
21:11 <Arkada> TD wasen't that bad in my opion
21:11 <Kionon> TD was entirely in character for both sets of casts.
21:11 <quadir> but when I got into AMVs I really expected it to be AU dominated
21:12 <quadir> but they're are so far between I forget they exist sometimes
21:12 <Arkada> I never did, masking is a pain to me
21:12 <jonnkakarotto> as do I
21:12 <quadir> people do original animation more often
21:12 <jonnkakarotto> I've never learned how to do it properly
21:12 <Kionon> See, I had no idea what AMVs would look like, mainly because in 1997 most amvs available for LinkinBall Z vids.
21:12 <quadir> you don't need to do masking, but it helps
21:12 <Arkada> I think masking is most effective though
21:12 <Kionon> I am doing masking and rotoscoping in my minmay vid, so that's why I scored him so high on effort and effects.
21:13 <Kionon> Hard as shit to create.
21:13 <Kionon> I know first hand.
21:13 <Arkada> usually when I try to do masking I give up after awhile and replace it with something else
21:13 <quadir> what really impressed me in this week's video was how fluid the story was told
21:13 <Arkada> its never as good as it could have been with masking though
21:13 <quadir> it just didn't feel forced
21:13 <G_Q> Verily
21:13 <Arkada> I agree
21:13 <jonnkakarotto> indeed.
21:14 <Arkada> seemed natural
21:14 <G_Q> The story was what really grabbed me.
21:14 <jonnkakarotto> especially at the end
21:14 <jonnkakarotto> like
21:14 <quadir> you often expect these really sudden hard scene cuts in AU because they have to piece together what they want
21:14 <jonnkakarotto> O SHI-
21:14 <G_Q> My real issue, though, was the inconsistency between the footages.
21:14 <G_Q> Especially since the contrasts are different throughout.
21:14 <quadir> G_Q: yeah, eva was obviously overfiltered and the colour was adjusted too much
21:15 <Arkada> It wasen't really that bad but I see your point
21:15 <Kionon> It didn't feel forced at all.
21:15 <Kionon> I loved it.
21:15 <G_Q> Misato looks like she had a sunburn.
21:15 <Arkada> lol
21:15 <quadir> a bit too much sun girl :)
21:15 <Kionon> My main complaint was that the color difference between 2040 and Eva was drastic.
21:15 <quadir> get faye to oil you up next time
21:15 <Arkada> sun? don't you mean tanning salon?
21:15 <Kionon> The rotoscoping was obvious.
21:15 <Kionon> Sometimes painfully.
21:15 <Kionon> Which is why visual was a 6.
21:16 <G_Q> I was a bit better with it, since the Bubblegum footage was really good.
21:16 <Kionon> You could tell the two series were produced five years apart.
21:16 <quadir> Kionon: you still didn't have the really nasty jagged lines on the masking though
21:16 <Arkada> Most AU's are like that though
21:16 <jonnkakarotto> sadly, yes
21:16 <quadir> I sortof wish he had done a tiny bit more beat matching
21:16 <Kionon> quadir: no, but only because it look liked buma blurred them, which bothered me anyhow.
21:16 <quadir> I felt a bit beat-flap'ed
21:17 <quadir> I'm not fan of over-beat matching
21:17 <Arkada> quadir: I think it was more to match the words rather than anything else though
21:17 <quadir> but I thik it would of gone a long way in a few places
21:17 <G_Q> What's odd is that the Eva footage looks like old Eva.
21:17 <Kionon> the eva footage looks really old.
21:17 <Kionon> Yeah.
21:17 <G_Q> Even though the video could have used Platinum footage and looked better.
21:17 <quadir> but if that was the price of making the scenes flow that well
21:17 <quadir> I don't blame em
21:17 <Kionon> Like almost VHS eva.
21:18 <jonnkakarotto> It's like godix said last week: I'd rather see a technically flawed video that's good rather than a technically perfect video that sucks
21:18 <Arkada> to me it looks good for VHS
21:18 <Kionon> First put out by ADV in 1998 bad.
21:18 * G_Q agrees with jon
21:18 <Arkada> agreed
21:18 <Kionon> John: goes without saying, but that's not the point here.
21:18 <jonnkakarotto> true
21:18 <quadir> Kionon: I wouldn't go that far
21:18 <G_Q> That's why I gave it a high score despite.
21:18 <Kionon> I gave it an overall score of eight.
21:19 * G_Q did also.
21:19 <Kionon> That's a B.
21:19 * jonnkakarotto ditto's Kionon and G_Q
21:19 <quadir> Kionon: that's 7 other videos out of ten were worse
21:19 <Kionon> It wasn't rox0r mah box0rz great.
21:19 <G_Q> My only other issue was the sync at the beginning.
21:19 <G_Q> Was it just me, or did some of that look a little out of sync, especially compared to the middle?
21:19 <quadir> Kionon: no but story vid I've never felt really blew me away
21:19 <quadir> they usually just leave me pensive
21:20 <Kionon> Waking Hour blew me away.
21:20 <quadir> G_Q: yeah, like I said, beat-flap
21:20 <Kionon> Tainted Donuts blew me away when I first saw it.
21:20 <quadir> I really liked the crowd flash at 0:50 though
21:20 <Kionon> To go back to AUs.
21:20 <quadir> with the character in the middle
21:20 * G_Q dittos Kio
21:20 <Arkada> Most AMV's blew me away when I first saw them
21:21 <G_Q> One of the first few I got to see were Light of Day and TD.
21:21 <Arkada> quadir: agreed, I liked the timeing of that as well
21:21 <quadir> also one interesting thing is that it wasn't just characters that he masked in
21:21 <quadir> Arkada: not just the timming, the colours, and the MAIN CHARACTER STARING BACK AT YOU
21:21 <Kionon> Arkada: Eh, not so with me, but then I came into the artform as a broadcast journalist. I had already been editing news spots and was familiar with the capabilities of professional editing software.
21:21 <Arkada> ooooh scary
21:21 <quadir> Arkada: it tied the two series together better then any scene splice could have
21:22 <Kionon> I found lots of videos cute, but not blow away.
21:22 <Arkada> Kionon: Im used to all the effects now, like I go to the movies and see effects and think "AE can do that"
21:22 <Arkada> quadir: very true
21:22 <Kionon> My favorite video of all time didn't blow me away, and even looked like crap back then. But it was the heart of the editing that made it my fave.
21:23 <Arkada> kio: which was that?
21:23 <Kionon> ErMaC's "I Can't Move On."
21:24 <quadir> iirc it's not downloadable
21:24 <quadir> Kionon: we can bonus vid it one week :)
21:25 <quadir> I really liked the scene changes in tonight's vid but when I noticed they are ALL fades and almost no cuts... it started getting to me a bit
21:25 <quadir> just a tinsey little bit
21:25 <Arkada> not that fades are a bad thing
21:25 <Arkada> better then crap cuts
21:26 <jonnkakarotto> yeah. I prefer a good fade over a crappy cut
21:26 <jonnkakarotto> but I too like my cuts
21:26 <jonnkakarotto> w00t
21:26 <quadir> teya: what did you think?
21:27 <jonnkakarotto> well crap.
21:27 <jonnkakarotto> oh well.
21:27 <teya> that was so awesome.. totally made misato look like she was pining over priss
21:27 <teya> i'm sick of eva too
21:27 <teya> but this was fine
21:28 <Arkada> on the bright side there was none of the usual eva action scenes, that was a big plus to me
21:28 <teya> i didn't notice the colouring difference so much at first
21:28 <teya> Arkada: agree there
21:28 <teya> but i guess by the end i could tell which footage was from where
21:28 <jonnkakarotto> i come to think of it, the colors were a little "off" thoughout, weren't they?
21:29 <teya> maybe it would have been better to fade out the bubblegum footage to match?
21:29 <teya> i dunno
21:29 <quadir> Arkada: it's really weird seeing all the little scenes of one character with everyone else cut out... you almost don't recognize it
21:29 <Arkada> teya: the only reason that I could is bacause ive seen eva, naver got around to seing bubblegum yet
21:29 <teya> the red was very red..
21:29 <quadir> like the scene where misato is leaning agains the wall
21:29 <quadir> both of them really
21:30 <Arkada> those look a little depressing
21:30 <teya> Arkada: same here. but it's been a while, so i didn't notice that much until later
21:30 <teya> 'cause i hadn't read the comments
21:30 <godix> Ok. I'm back. What piece of shit are we watching?
21:30 <Arkada> another eva vid
21:31 <godix> Wait, is this the misoto/bubblegum crisis one?
21:31 <quadir> godix: yup
21:31 <teya> godix: yeah it is
21:31 <quadir> godix: the character from bubblegum you are missing is priss
21:31 <godix> Ok, that was a decent video. Nice ending. Wish all romances ended that way.
21:32 <quadir> lol
21:32 <teya> with death?
21:32 <teya> heh
21:32 <Arkada> godix: heh, don't we all lol
21:32 <jonnkakarotto> lol
21:32 <quadir> most anime's end that way though
21:32 <jonnkakarotto> classic godix
21:32 <jonnkakarotto> bleh
21:32 <quadir> 'and things got fucked up and everyone dies'
21:32 <Arkada> romance ones anyways
21:32 <teya> i didn't like romeo and juliet much..
21:32 <quadir> is pretty much the typical anime ending
21:32 <godix> Well, if you think about it, all romances that don't end in breakup do end in death. Just some videos stop short of that point.
21:32 <G_Q> quadir: Not necessarily relegated to anime, though.
21:33 <jonnkakarotto> Of course, godix wants to see a "Smack My Bitch Up" romance video
21:33 <jonnkakarotto> As do I.
21:33 <G_Q> The Little Shop of Horrors play, as another example.
21:33 <godix> jonnkakarotto: I already did smack my bitch up to Eva.
21:33 <jonnkakarotto> orly?
21:33 <Arkada> yes rly
21:33 <G_Q> Another example of "unrequited love".
21:33 <quadir> that's like asking for a alanis morisette my humps
21:33 <quadir> oh wait
21:33 <Arkada> lol
21:33 <godix> It's in a mep that sailor earth headed. Trust me, it isn't worth the effort scanning through the mep.
21:33 <jonnkakarotto> lol
21:33 <teya> hawesome
21:34 <godix> Although I think a nice romance video could be done if someone mixed in Smack My Bitch Up and Goodbye Earl.
21:34 <Arkada> intresting combo
21:34 <teya> yer all crazy..
21:34 <jonnkakarotto> are we?
21:34 <Arkada> yes, yes we are
21:34 <quadir> godix: so put your 2c in about this vid
21:34 <jonnkakarotto> or do we strive to see something that breaks the paradigm?
21:34 <quadir> godix: not to mention op madness
21:34 <teya> so back to the vid.. i think my fav part was the beginning bit
21:34 <teya> with the bathtub then bed
21:34 <teya> and then the face in the stars
21:34 <Arkada> Personally, I liked the end
21:35 <teya> anyone else?
21:35 * G_Q liked the middle.
21:35 <jonnkakarotto> i have to say the middle/end
21:35 <jonnkakarotto> where misato calls priss
21:35 <teya> really? i thought the crying went on a little long
21:35 <G_Q> The beginning didn't feel right, mostly due to sync.
21:35 <jonnkakarotto> and kills herself
21:35 <Arkada> G_Q: well of cource
21:35 <godix> quadir: I liked it enough to keep it but that was more for the fucked up 'WTF' factor than anything else. Did a fairly decent job of blending the two animes. Editing was nothing great nor nothing horrible.
21:35 <teya> even if it fit with the music
21:35 <Arkada> godix: agreed
21:35 <Kionon> The ending I found morbidly amusing.
21:35 <jonnkakarotto> seconded
21:35 <Arkada> thirded
21:36 <Arkada> lol
21:36 <godix> Since I missed half the conversation I'll just leave it at that.
21:36 <quadir> I'd almost say I liked the car driving and the crowd shots best
21:36 <Arkada> scroll is a wounderful thing
21:36 <quadir> that's 2 videos where I've liked the car scene
21:36 <quadir> that isn't "omg ex-driver VROOM VROOM!"
21:36 <godix> Arkada: I can scroll back but I'm illiterate so I couldn't read it.
21:36 <quadir> car shots are so often used as action/comedy in anime
21:36 <Arkada> car scenes generally arn't that bad in the vids that I have watched
21:36 <teya> the motorcycle?
21:36 <teya> or where?
21:37 <Kionon> The shot of the review mirror was my favorite part of the video.
21:37 <quadir> teya: car, near the beginning when misato is driving
21:37 <teya> ohh
21:37 <quadir> Kionon: remember the car in gits?
21:37 <quadir> good times in amv-review :)
21:37 <Kionon> Yah.
21:37 <Kionon> lawl.
21:37 <Arkada> damn, wish I was at that one
21:37 <jonnkakarotto> ditto that
21:38 <quadir> anyways the vid, it feels so laid back
21:38 <teya> mm true
21:38 <quadir> I was watching this really good slayers vid this other day, but I found myself really not connecting the audio with the footage
21:38 <teya> i love the song
21:38 <Arkada> quadir: its the music that does that
21:38 <quadir> I get that here a bit
21:38 <quadir> but not enough to completely disconnect me
21:38 <quadir> but it's treating a fine line
21:39 <Arkada> Ive seen a few reccent vids in the announce forum that have been painful to watch cause of bad song choice
21:39 * jonnkakarotto believes audio selection is the most important aspect of the AMV creation process
21:39 <teya> seconded
21:39 <jonnkakarotto> because without good audio, an AMV is just a shitty MV
21:39 <Arkada> Actually I think concept is the most important with audio being second
21:39 <quadir> but in the end I think it worked out
21:40 <Kionon> I don't believe audio "selection" is the proper way to go about amv creation.
21:40 <quadir> and I even liked small things like where the "your friends" line where he's subbing in pictures of his friend on a tripple split frame
21:40 <quadir> he chooses to get rid of the main character in the center pane then split it in 4
21:40 <Kionon> I believe concept hinges upon the audio. Without a song to begin with, you have no concept.
21:40 <quadir> I think that was a really good choice
21:40 <Arkada> as I said, it matched to the words than anything else
21:40 <Kionon> I have only managed to work in reverse once.
21:40 <quadir> Arkada: yeah
21:40 <jonnkakarotto> Kionon: true enough.
21:41 <quadir> jonnkakarotto: you mean without audio a AMV is just a shitty AV
21:41 <jonnkakarotto> well
21:41 <jonnkakarotto> yes
21:41 <quadir> A in AMV does not stand for Audio :)
21:41 <godix> generally speaking it's possible to get the concept without a song. The trick is finding a song that makes it look like you got the concept from the song.
21:41 <Arkada> Kio: not completely true, with some bands it doesen't matter which song you pick, you can still have the same concept, but I agree with you for most of the time
21:41 <jonnkakarotto> omit the word "good" from that statement
21:42 <teya> heh
21:42 <Arkada> quadir: audio music video's, huh
21:42 <jonnkakarotto> no, he said "does not stand for audio"
21:42 <Arkada> I know that
21:42 <jonnkakarotto> therefore, AMV - Audio = shitty AV
21:43 <jonnkakarotto> meh.
21:43 <Arkada> very true
21:43 <jonnkakarotto> we're all getting disconnected
21:43 <Kionon> Arkada: I disagree. I believe a band can have snapshots based on various songs, but the concepts will differ within those snapshots.
21:43 <G_Q> (except when you try to play an MP4 in a audio-only player)
21:43 <jonnkakarotto> somehow or another from the topic at hand
21:43 <Kionon> Semisonic/KOR is a perfect example.
21:43 <G_Q> Then it is an "A"MV
21:43 <Arkada> Kio: dpeends on the band really
21:43 * jonnkakarotto goes to grab some food.
Link: Ming-Ling - 2001 - You Are Not Alone (download)
Alternate: Karaoke http://www.umbrellavideo.com/vault/ming ... raoke).zip
Editor: Ming-Ling (Ming-Ling)
Category: Drama
Anime: Pretear
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