another org milestone

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:20 pm

dragonball z hit 5000. celebrate or mourn as you please.

now to give this thread some meaning:
share your thoughts on dbz videos. what're your favs? any interesting stories? how do you think they've helped the amv community? what can we learn from them? how will a dbz vid look 10 years from now? will we ever get tired of making them?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:04 pm

My favorite DBZ vids are mostly the classics - MeriC's Trunks Tribute (Traces of Insanity) and Dark Kamui's Vegeta Profile (titled simply 'Vegeta'). But my current favorite amv is Paulo's latest dbz vid, 'Obsession.' Unlike most vids for the character, it's 'cool' - it doesn't focus on Vegeta's weaknesses and the typical angst (which even I tend to focus on, so I'm not saying I'm any better than those who make these 'typical' videos). It's upbeat, fast, very intricate effects, and just a pleasure to watch. DBZ aside, it's still in my top 3 favorite videos to date - that's including my own, so it's saying a lot.

As for dbz videos helping the community...it really depends on what you mean by community, now doesn't it. The website? Well, I doubt it would have flourished if not for the easily obtained, though small quality, dbz footage out there for new editors to make videos out of. Half my favorite 'old-timer' creators started using DBZ for their videos. It's a springboard for editing that a lot of members use. Unfortunately, it tends to remain a springboard. Because the majority of people making videos with the anime are beginners, the quality of the videos on the whole is bad. People start with dbz vids and then listen to the complaints about those 'majority bad' videos and abandon it. That makes finding a good quality video very difficult - because experienced editors avoid it like the plague. Of course you can't have anything good for an amv genre if only beginners bother to work with it. That gives the DBZ amv genre a bad name, which in turn leads to people stopping by the org collection and hitting many dbz videos that just plain suck - they go off sniffing about how all amvs are bad looking dbz vids, hurting the website and demeaning creators who are 'good enough' not to use the anime. It's a cycle of sorts, but that's the way things go. DBZ videos are in part responsible for the large number of creators we have here - just look at the longterm members and ask how many started either watching or making dbz videos. No one here can honestly say the 'community' didn't benefit from the very existence of dbz videos. Of course, you can't say the community didn't further the existence of BAD dbz videos either. This community is so set on limiting the genre to only inexperienced beginners that the genre itself is doomed from the start. Nasty, that circle, and a little ungrateful of people.

Learning from a genre of amvs is impossible unless you actually watch them. Since most people here have only seen a few bad videos before giving up and condemning the entire collection, there are few who can say they've learned anything from dbz vids - aside from that they don't want to make any since only beginners are allowed - or stupid enough - to make them. I've learned a lot from them. I've learned that people forget their roots and choose obvious scapegoats. And since it's easier to use a scapegoat as an example, they make sure it STAYS a scapegoat. By discouraging people from making what they consider 'noob' videos just because of the anime (the genre), they make certain it stays a noob-ridden genre. That way, they'll never have to worry about people complaining that they've already seen too many vids for the anime *they* use - DBZ is the overused anime, anything else is underused in comparison. And all dbz vids are poor quality noob vids since experienced editors know better than to touch it - so no one with experience is willing to make anything good to mix into the bag of beginning efforts. To top it all off, even the very rare 'experienced' editors who *do* make dbz vids still ensure it remains a scapegoat - by making intentionally bad videos for the anime. What? There aren't enough already? No one has a right to complain about all DBZ vids being bad unless he's actually tried to make something good to add to the mix. So long as he sits back and mocks the newbs making them, discouraging the experienced people who might have wanted to make them, he has his whipping boy - dbz videos - and that's all he needs to feel validated. Funny, but you can learn a lot from DBZ videos, at least in this community.

Ten years from now, it will be eclipsed by a new anime. Most of those who cry about the dbz vids know which anime it will be eclipsed by. But it will remain a 'newb-only' genre in this community - it's too deep set to change that. We'll just add another anime or two to that scapegoat collection of 'inherently bad' videos and use those as the excuse for every bad thing that happens to the community as a whole. Just look around. When someone complains about the site, about videos, DBZ almost always gets brought up - even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the problem being discussed. Why? Because it's easy, and that's what it's there for - that's what it's become for the community. Maybe it is inherent, maybe those editors who made the very first dbz amvs intentionally screwed the anime over. I doubt that. Things get a bad reputation because others give that reputation to them. Now it's dbz. In ten years it will be the new replacement, which will in turn remind people of dbz - they'll just have an extra thing to point to as the blame for all the wrong in the community. Other than having a new overused anime, not much will change. New editors will still be coming up with their love for the anime and trying their best to do something to express that enjoyment in the form of amvs - and the community will still be mocking and assuring them that once they mature they'll know better than to work with that anime. Experienced editors will still know better than to try and do anything about what they're complaining about - they'll still be whining because of all the bad dbz vids without backing their words by showing that *they* can make good ones, so they have room to talk. Not much changes, it just shifts a bit.

As for people getting tired...who makes them now? New members for the most part, and a few who just plain don't believe an anime is inherently bad or good for making videos with - those who work with an anime because they *like* that anime. Those people will still be making them. The clips might be less accessible for the downloaded footage users, but I doubt that. They'll still be there. They'll just be outmatched by a new wave of eager beginners with a different, but just as repetitive, anime to make vids to - the same types of videos, just different footage. It takes a long time for humans to evolve, but in a community where most people are replaced by waves of younger people instead of growing and staying and learning from the past, evolution pretty much comes to a stand still. History loops, repetitive, but slightly different each time. As long as there are beginners, there will be bad overused amvs done to similar anime (or the same anime). As long as there are self-righteous talkers, there will be experienced editors keeping each other from touching what they deem a noob-only genre. Nothing changes.

Now...if they ban dbz amvs, something might change. But that's assuming they ban a lot of other anime before they can get so overused. I'd hate to see what the community would look like ten years from now if they were stripped of all possible scapegoats. They'd turn on each other. It would be nasty.

AMVfreak · Post by **AMVfreak** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:06 pm

ehhh so many DBZ videos...
im not a big fan of DBZ but I dont mind them being here on the org

I dont have any favorite DBZ videos.
someone show me a incredible dbz amv and ill watch with consideration
;I dont mean this in a sarcastic way, I just dont watch DB vids

DBZ anime has pretty much helped half the members here as source footage for an AMV

We can learn that humans can never get that buff, make your hair spike and turn yellow, and fly in the air shooting out radioactive blue/white beams in the near future.

AMVfreak · Post by **AMVfreak** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:07 pm

jesus christ it took me longer to post this than what arigatomyna typed.
I can be very slow at times..

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:15 pm

AMVfreak wrote:someone show me a incredible dbz amv and ill watch with consideration
;I dont mean this in a sarcastic way, I just dont watch DB vids

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=41498

It's very fast, lots of effects and lip sync, and if you hate the song you're not going to like it. But it has great quality, action that makes me smile to watch, and it's one of those videos that just remind me of why I like amvs - so I'd recommend it. If you've heard of the song, it's from the 'Highlander' soundtrack. That's another plus for me.

[And I wrote my reply out before I logged into my account here, so all I had to do was copy and paste. ^.~ ]

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:28 pm

*celebrates*

8)

bubblehead · Post by **bubblehead** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:36 pm

I hardly ever write as much in a whole day as Ari wrote in that one post (except during the school year - stupid IB English). I read it all though, and it was interesting.

Anyway though, I like DBZ - Rise of the Machines which is a trailer video. Now I don't watch many DBZ videos, simply because I do not like the series, but this video is good.

My most interesting DBZ vid story is that I made that video's creator's day by oping it and saying it was the first DBZ video I'd actually liked, which was true, too.

I'll get that video you recommended though Ari.

billy_wires · Post by **billy_wires** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:52 pm

I don't really care that the video count broke 5000 becuase of how often it is used, it just saddens me that I have to sort through 5000 videos to find ones I like.

Let's just say this, I have a weakness for DBZ action videos. I don't know why, but a good action video set to a good song (usually a nu metal song) and, for lack of a better descriptive term, I melt. I was started on DBZ action videos, and I even made one.

Now don't get me wrong, I like the ones that tell a story, such as Dark Kamui's Vegeta tribute using "In the End". I think somewhere I have a DBZ video to every Linkin Park song on Hybrid theory, and still enjoy every one.

On a completly unrelated note:

bubblehead wrote:(except during the school year - stupid IB English).

What does IB stand for?

Coffee 54 · Post by **Coffee 54** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:02 am

DBZ videos first drew me into making AMV's. When I first saw one I thought, 'Hey, that's a neat idea.' As a matter of fact I didn't think there were many more then the few I downloaded from Kazaa. So I set about to change that. Over the next six months I put out 20, and I was happy. Currently only one of my videos from this period is posted, Gohan's Requiem. I still use DBZ when I just want to have fun creating, and In the future, I have two serious remakes planned. But I just can't work with one anime anymore, like I could back when I started. That's about all I have to say, except: Happy 5,000th Dragonball Z video, AnimeMusicVideos.org!

bubblehead · Post by **bubblehead** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:12 am

billy_wires wrote: On a completly unrelated note:
bubblehead wrote:(except during the school year - stupid IB English).
What does IB stand for?

International Baccalaureate. It's like AP (advanced placement) except that the assessment is several papers and presentations (rather than just one test), and as the name suggests, it's international. It was apparently designed so that people in Europe who moved around alot could be assured that their kids would be able to get the same high-quality education wherever they moved. There's a whole diploma program in which almost all of your high school classes are selected for you, unless you're at a school which offers a wider variety of IB languages than mine. I'm only going for the certificate for the one class, because the math class overlaps with the one I took sophomore year. Besides, I didn't do all of the ICAP classes (IB prep) freshman and sophomore year.