All 10s just as bad as all 1s?

Cornwiggle · Post by **Cornwiggle** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:32 pm

Arigatomina wrote:
Cornwiggle wrote:And back to the vid you download that you think would be good and it just...sucked on so many levels, and you give it all 1s (again it's hard to find a vid THAT bad, just one being THAT perfect) and you give you perfectly logical reasons as to why you gave that vid a 1 for this area and that one. How is that still flaming? You're giving your OP to the creator in hopes that they will approve, but the vid you watched just sucked.

All 1s is not always just a flame. If 1s are considered to flame, why do we even have them? It's stupid.
All 1s ops are only deleted if they're accompanied by text proving they were done for spite, to attack the creator. If there are legitimate all 1s ops, you never see them because the creators don't report them in the forum. Not all 1s ops are automatically gotten rid of, it's just the ones you see people complaining about - because they're openly flaming.

I've given a lot of ops, a few of which honestly deserved all 10s. I break down the scores, so I have a clear level of comparison from vid to vid. Some vids are perfect on all the technical aspects, show an outrageous amount of effort, make me so fangirlishly giddy I watch them on repeat for days after downloading them, and have nothing in them that I'd change. That's a 10 in every category - honest and deserved. It's rare for me to find a vid like that, but it has happened.

On the other hand I've never found a video that honestly deserved 1s in every category. I've reviewed 2mb rm dbz vids and even they didn't deserve a 1 for audio. It's amazingly difficult to earn a 1 for audio. Having a rare 1-audio combined with the equally difficult 1 for video is even more rare. And then finding a vid that deserves a 1 for effort? Nearly impossible. I've only found one vid that deserved a 1 for effort and that was because it was someone else's video - the creator just changed the audio and reposted it. That's zero for effort, so it got a 1. Any other video at least deserves a 3+ because anyone who manages to edit a bit of a music video put in the minimum effort (2) and then some.

I can give 1s for reviewability a lot, honestly, but trying to defend an op giving 1s to everything is impossible for me. I just haven't found a video technically bad enough for scores like that. Not outside of the streaming sites - and even they would average a 3 for capture quality (really bad, but still visible). A 1 would be the absolute worst. A 1 for capture would be a video so poorly compressed you can't see it at all. I haven't run across that to date.

All great points that I have no complaint about, but do you think it's right to just all 10 every video you OP just because you want to make someone feel good, even if their vid wasn't good?

dj_ultima_the_great · Post by **dj_ultima_the_great** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:32 pm

There are... a few people on this site that I know will give me all tens and nearly zero comments. It annoys me, yes. However, I'm learning just to avoid those people. I won't exchange opinions with them anymore. As for all ones... that's obnoxious, too. Like Ari said, though, there really aren't enough opinions on this site to go around deleting what we do have.

As for me, I have never given an all ten opinion, and I likely never will. Similarly, I have never given an all one opinion, and I likely never will. But that's just me. Other people will react different ways - sometimes the "fanboy" way, and sometimes the "spiteful" way. Not a whole lot can be done about it, unless the creator of the opinioned video wishes to report it his/herself.

I mean I've seen one profile 200+ OPs all 10s...ALL 10s.

I know exactly who you're referring to. I avoid that person like the plague.

- Jen

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:38 pm

Cornwiggle wrote:All great points that I have no complaint about, but do you think it's right to just all 10 every video you OP just because you want to make someone feel good, even if their vid wasn't good?

No. I don't think it's fair to the creator who's trying to improve, or to the new members who look at the top list and think the 'all 10s' vids are technically perfect when really they're just amazingly popular.

But I can't see an easy way around it. Ignoring all the 'all 10s' ops really would ignore most of the ops on the site. What would that accomplish? It won't make the top 10 list more accurate. If we tell reviewers they're being ignored, they'll stop giving all 10s and start giving "all 10s except for one 9" to get around the filter. The same goes for ignoring the "all 1s" - those all 2 ops will still get through.

godix · Post by **godix** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:40 pm

Repeat after me: This is a hobby. This is the internet. It isn't important. The op system will not cure cancer. It will not save a persons life. It will not feed the world. It will not increase the size of your dick, raise your IQ, make you more attractive, or get you some pussy. It will not educate you. Given the usual reaction to constructive criticism it probably won't improve your editing skills. A glance at the top 10% will show the op system doesn't even manage highlight the best videos on the org. It's a scoring system on the internet for a bunch of fan made shit that the majority of people in the world don't know exist much less gives a fuck about. It isn't worth whining about.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 1">this</a>. OMFG anonymize me now before I stike again with an all 10 op.

Cornwiggle · Post by **Cornwiggle** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:44 pm

Arigatomina wrote:
Cornwiggle wrote:All great points that I have no complaint about, but do you think it's right to just all 10 every video you OP just because you want to make someone feel good, even if their vid wasn't good?
No. I don't think it's fair to the creator who's trying to improve, or to the new members who look at the top list and think the 'all 10s' vids are technically perfect when really they're just amazingly popular.

But I can't see an easy way around it. Ignoring all the 'all 10s' ops really would ignore most of the ops on the site. What would that accomplish? It won't make the top 10 list more accurate. If we tell reviewers they're being ignored, they'll stop giving all 10s and start giving "all 10s except for one 9" to get around the filter. The same goes for ignoring the "all 1s" - those all 2 ops will still get through.

Well I didn't say filter out all 10s or all 1s, but there are people who either only give one or the other. What I was saying was, since they do it so much they're probably never going to stop. So make it so theirs don't affect anything, you know, you can disable stars if someone gives too many 5s or 1s, correct? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.

And Godix: True, but OPs do REALLY matter to some people. It may not be the actual OPs, but the feedback that can make or break them. I know some people like that.

OniZabuza · Post by **OniZabuza** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:48 pm

Lots of people give all 1s. Lots of people give all 10s. It evens itself out

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:56 pm

Maybe if you took all of the time you have spent bitching about this and actually got job to buy a copy of Avid Liq/Final Cut/After Effects, maybe you would have earned those 10's and therefore could appreciate them.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:58 pm

^

Assuming an equal amount of time is spent making decent videos. And not 2 hours wastes of server space.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:58 pm

Cornwiggle wrote:Well I didn't say filter out all 10s or all 1s, but there are people who either only give one or the other. What I was saying was, since they do it so much they're probably never going to stop. So make it so theirs don't affect anything, you know, you can disable stars if someone gives too many 5s or 1s, correct? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.

Everyone who downloads from local is forced to leave a star score. Most of the people who habitually mark 3 for every vid are doing it because they don't care about the score - they just want to download more videos. It's a convenient way to ignore those people who wouldn't be scoring at all if we weren't forcing them to. And the average video won't miss a portion of the downloaders being ignored - because everyone who downloads will eventually have to leave a score. An average video will miss a portion of the reviewers being ignored because they're lucky if they get any reviews.

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Something that might work as an alternative would be to put weight on those reviewers who don't give the same scores to every video. You don't ignore the 'all 10s to every video' people (or the 'all 8s to every video' people) but their scores won't count as much as those who leave varied scores for different vids. But even that won't change the top 10 list, because the top 10 list is already weighted to make op count more important than op score. And it won't really change the way people leave reviews, especially new members who only join to download and review a few vids before disappearing. They tend to leave all 10s, and there are a lot of them. It'll just make their opinion count for less when we go to compare vids on the top list.

Cornwiggle · Post by **Cornwiggle** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:14 pm

Arigatomina wrote:
Cornwiggle wrote:Well I didn't say filter out all 10s or all 1s, but there are people who either only give one or the other. What I was saying was, since they do it so much they're probably never going to stop. So make it so theirs don't affect anything, you know, you can disable stars if someone gives too many 5s or 1s, correct? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.
Everyone who downloads from local is forced to leave a star score. Most of the people who habitually mark 3 for every vid are doing it because they don't care about the score - they just want to download more videos. It's a convenient way to ignore those people who wouldn't be scoring at all if we weren't forcing them to. And the average video won't miss a portion of the downloaders being ignored - because everyone who downloads will eventually have to leave a score. An average video will miss a portion of the reviewers being ignored because they're lucky if they get any reviews.

Giving a 3 when you don't care though isn't really good or bad, it's better than some people giving all vids ones because they don't care.