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Post by Orwell » Mon May 15, 2006 1:33 pm

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InGoW wrote:Beo makes a thread as a provocation for people to get their asses up on something new and gets 3 pages of arguments about why they won't.

I don't get anymore why he keeps trying.
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Post by Castor Troy » Mon May 15, 2006 1:43 pm

We need more good creators making DBZ videos.
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Post by Brad » Mon May 15, 2006 1:51 pm

Castor Troy wrote:We need more good creators.
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Post by JudgeHolden » Mon May 15, 2006 2:23 pm

badmartialarts wrote:Innovation is possible but is usually recieved badly. People fear change. They accept evolution of ideas but not total paradigm shifts. In other words, expect more kooptangles before the end times. :O

Meanwhile I will continue to make videos to please myself. And if they don't please me, they will get deletified.
Hear! Hear! Innovating (and by this I don't mean effects) can kill a video as much as save it, it all depends on whether people are in the mood for change.

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Post by aesling » Mon May 15, 2006 5:16 pm

Heero_Yuy84 wrote:OK...looking over a lot of the back and forth from some of the people in this thread, I feel the need to ask

Is there anyone else on this site still doing AMVs because...you know...they just like doing them...and, to that end, isn't terribly concerned with making the next big hit?
If people like it, OK, good for them...
If they don't...why should you care? Theoretically so long as you're still satisfied with it, that should count for something.

...then again, from the looks of some of these posts, that seems to be an outdated perspective.
I think that there are still plenty of editers out there who do it for there own personal enjoyment. I know I'm one of them, and I've heard various other people express the same opinion.

I would also like to point out that people have entirely different goals and expectations when creating/watching AMV's. Like the people who see it as an art form that needs to push the limits, and those who view it as a seperate hobby. Finding a leader of some kind would really be difficult because not only is quality something difficult to be agreed upon, what is a perfectly acceptable to one person may just not be enough for another person. And it seems like there are some people in the art world who will never be satisfied with anything.

I think that creativity and new ideas are wonderful, and I'm all for people creating AMV's that contain both. However, I think innovation isn't something that can really be forced. Just because an idea is new, doesn't make it great. Not that we shouldn't try to make things new, but a great video with a breakout concept doesn't come along every day. If they did, it would hardly stand out from the pack, would it? Part of art is development, and sometimes something will unexpectedly turn out to be totally awesome beyond all belief and everyone else will think so too. So I think an AMV creator needs to just do what feels right to them, without copying someone elses work, but also without worrying about creating the next Mona Lisa. Who knows, maybe they will, or maybe if it isn't, maybe it'll be a vid that people will still really enjoy.
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Re: We need a leader

Post by trythil » Mon May 15, 2006 5:29 pm

Beowulf wrote:I think now that this community has pretty much caught up with technology, people's ideas are their limiting force as apposed to their software. It definitely seems that way since we all see the same After Effects glow plugins, the same still image masking, the same piano keys, the same effects, the same everything.
Well, then people haven't caught up with the technology yet, since they clearly aren't making full use of it.

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Post by Zarxrax » Mon May 15, 2006 5:50 pm

trythil wrote:
Beowulf wrote:I think now that this community has pretty much caught up with technology, people's ideas are their limiting force as apposed to their software. It definitely seems that way since we all see the same After Effects glow plugins, the same still image masking, the same piano keys, the same effects, the same everything.
Well, then people haven't caught up with the technology yet, since they clearly aren't making full use of it.
Amen to that. I think I'll puke if I have to sit through one more video with "piano keys". It was nifty 5 years ago, now its just trash.

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Post by Arigatomina » Mon May 15, 2006 6:06 pm

Heero_Yuy84 wrote:Is there anyone else on this site still doing AMVs because...you know...they just like doing them...and, to that end, isn't terribly concerned with making the next big hit?
Yes. But those people will usually avoid threads like this one. A casual hobbyist has no place telling professionals to calm down and stop taking themselves and their work so seriously. There are a lot of people posting in this thread who take their work very seriously, dead serious, as if they were creating amvs to change the world rather than to pass the time. I can't see through their eyes, so I can't enter into the discussion. They're looking for a video that will unite and amaze the community, all the while they're criticizing the community for being made up of people incapable of appreciating greatness when they see it. It seems like a lost cause to me. Why try to lead a community when what you really want is to destroy the community? They want to build up a new commuity where great works of art are instantly recognized, thus encouraging new groundbreaking works of art because the new community won't accept anything less. With a goal like that in mind, it seems redundant to try and argue the need with members of the old unacceptable community. If their opinions had any weight, the discussion itself wouldn't be necessary because the members would already be focused on creating the next best thing this thread is calling for.

I think it really comes down to the community. The next best thing, as defined by the artists, won't be a video the amv community can rally behind. It'll be a video the artists can rally behind. No matter how many serious people post in this thread, that won't change the fact that the amv community itself is comprised mostly of hobbyists interested in entertainment, whether it's entertaining themselves or the faceless masses. If the artists admit that, they have no choice but to compromise themselves and make a great work of art that will be down-to-earth enough to appeal to the hobbyists. Once they compromise themselves, the next great thing won't be so great anymore because it'll be tainted just enough to appeal to the unwashed masses, like an artist doing illustrations for a travel magazine. It seems self destructive for them to push themselves to make something the community will like enough to rally behind. Because they already know what videos the community rallies behind and those are the videos they're degrading in this thread.

There are too many responses in this thread from people who want the next best thing but are unable to make it themselves. It's depressing and painful, because they clearly have a strong need to find some genius. I don't think he'll step forward no matter how long this thread gets. A better approach to finding him would be to start a search for ground breaking videos, with the people searching being the ones capable of recognizing hidden gems. Once the savior is found, then you can make a thread begging him to create the next great thing and encouraging others to rally behind his video. If the people posting in this thread were capable of making the next great thing, they wouldn't be posting here. They'd be editing.

I think hobbyists like me don't belong in threads like this because we just don't get it. I'm not an artist. I'm not skilled at editing. I think both are requisites if you want to make the groundbreakingly original and technically perfect next best thing this thread is calling for. Even the feedback junkies won't attempt this next best thing because they know there aren't enough artists in the community to make it worthwhile. They're better off appealing to the faceless masses who join amv communities to see music videos made with anime they like. It's easier to satisfy them, and as long as you're making videos for other people, you might as well aim for the bigger audience.

We still have conventions that break editors down into categories according to skill, don't we? Those cons happen yearly, and they're huge and famed. Right? I've read so many journals where the people submitting to those cons speak in hushed terms about their yearly opus. Those conventions would be a better place to look for the next great thing. If you still can't find it in contests like that, then form a mini-community. Handpick editors who have skills and creativity and brainstorm together. With the raw talent gathered together, and so much motivation to make something great, at the very least you'll have more videos that stand out above average. Once you have the videos, it'll be much easier to start a campaign to make the faceless masses appreciate those videos for being artistic, rather than fanservicy top 10 material.

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Post by ssj4lonewolf » Mon May 15, 2006 6:21 pm

its not just that though, people have closed there minds to everything, and only focus on one thing. Changing the game may be good, but for most it wont be recived so well.
Oh god, that black dude with the afro is always making those damn trash ass music hip hop amvs...he needs to do something with techno or rock....
.......as if I would do something like that.
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Post by faaip_de_oiad » Mon May 15, 2006 6:33 pm

Kamoc... where are you :cry:
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