US editors: Look at what is going on in congress (IMPORTANT)

[Bakadeshi]

as others has said, its too over the top to be passed. All hardware would have to be certified and redone to close the security holes, something I don;t think the hardware manufacturers will sit around idly and let them make them do.

The funny thing about this is, As is the case with just about everything the MPAA tries to do to prevent copyright infringment, this will make life hell for those that actually do follow the law and use the products as intended, and the hackers and people they are targeting will just find a way around it. Also, The more protections and steps they try to do to circumvent copying, the more complex it gets and the more room for incompatibilites and instabilites to pop up.

[trythil]

I see no chance of this bill ever being passed, because there are, believe it or not, people that do use DVD rippers and the like (involved in the bill) for legal things.

YOU MISSED THE POINT.

For that matter, so have a surprising number of people posting in this thread. I guess I'll make it clear:

People record TV shows for legal uses too. That hasn't stopped attempts to push broadcast flag legislation through at least THREE TIMES now.

Sitting back and saying "oh this can't possibly pass" is a damn good way to ensure that it WILL pass. Apathy is interpreted as complacency, and the only thing that HAS stopped such legislation is petitioning.

[Knowname]

Forget about using fansubs, because if the ripping groups can't capture a live broadcast or rip a DVD, there'll be no more fansubs.

And how would an American Law affect people capturing TV streams in Japan?

Allright, you got me there, but Japan is about the only country that doesn't really rely on America for anything (not hardware at least). Most other countries will get stuck with america's stupid DRM'd hardware. Come to think of it, if trusted computing aver takes off, even Japan will have to conform to American DRM (I take it they use AMD and Intel over there too?)

AFAIK they mostly use NEC and Hitachi and the like... but maybe that's just cuz I'm a console head ;p but I do beleive the NEC PC is huge out there... but of coarse there IS Japanese windows and Japanese win programs... are they on x86? wich is bigger? Is Canopus a japanese company???

[trythil]

So we just keep using the equipment we have now, or just buy non-american capture devices.

I don't really see how this will prevent much, since the law is American it won't affect fan subs and we can still rip dvd's right?

Point one: Formats change and become obsolete: market pressure does this, as does other things like system requirements. (An old 286 has really no chance of decoding MP3 in real time, for example.) What makes you think you'll be able to hold on to your current computer for the rest of your life AND still be able to do everything you need or want to do with it?

Point two: NO, YOU CANNOT LEGALLY RIP A DVD. YOU ARE VIOLATING THE LAW EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT. THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU CAN IS BECAUSE THE CSS ENCRYPTION ALGORITHM HAS BEEN BROKEN EVERY WHICH WAY.

It is also likely that SOMEONE will figure out a way to defeat analog hole protection.

However, I do not see how you can POSSIBLY interpret that as "well, it's ok to let these laws pass". WHY do you want to have people work around these barriers when they should NOT exist in the first place?

[ssj4lonewolf]

lol whole companys would be screwed if this went threw, specifically apple. Apple gets most of its sales through the ipod, you know this would technically fuck up the whole tenical economy.

Time to learn japanese fluently, and move...

[trythil]

lol whole companys would be screwed if this went threw, specifically apple. Apple gets most of its sales through the ipod, you know this would technically fuck up the whole tenical economy.

No, it wouldn't. Corporations can pay for licensing.

Individuals often cannot; and, in the case of open products, being able to pay is often irrelevant, for reasons I wrote above.

Time to learn japanese fluently, and move...

Why do people get this idea that JAPAN is the land of salvation?

[Flint the Dwarf]

Why do people get this idea that JAPAN is the land of salvation?

Yeah really, I thought it was common knowledge that it's Canada.

For that matter, so have a surprising number of people posting in this thread.

Oh come on, is it really that surprising?

[Otohiko]

Why do people get this idea that JAPAN is the land of salvation?

Yeah really, I thought it was common knowledge that it's Canada.

If you're running from copyright law, the place to be these days is [Soviet?] Russia

[genestarwind21122]

Do you think, if this bill is passed, it may also effect the new format DVDs(whichever format they chose to go with? BluRay or ... HD)?

I'm a dumbass, I've read this whole thread and I'm really not understanding.

Analog -> Computer is like tapes to computer, but then you guys said it would affect more.. X|

Here's a recap (as I understand it):

So far there has always been one major problem with copy protection, called the 'analog hole'. Take audio, no matter how clever their copy protection is, if you can play it back, then you can record it, and once you record your way the copy protection is gone. The same goes for video, if push comes to shove, you can just plug the cable that normally goes into your tv, into your VCR, tivo or capture card and you can record the analog signal. As soon as it becomes analog, the *AA are powerless, right? Wrong. Imagine everything they would need to control to stop people from working this way. They would need every company that manufactures recording devices (think VCR, computer, radio mp3 player) to comply with a system of their design where when they say "don't record this" it won't record it. And that's what they're proposing.

One example of this is the broadcast flag. Nevermind that VCR owners have been able to record television broadcasts for over thirty years without limiting the entertainment industry's profits in any way, the MPAA now wants people to stop doing it if they say so. They want all tivo's to stop their owners from recording television if the broadcasting station decides to flag the broadcast.

And now they've just decided to go for the whole pie. They want to control all recording hardware. But it'll get cracked, right? Doesn't it always get cracked? Well, it always got cracked, because it was always software. This time they've decided to control our hardware, and that's very nearly impossible to crack. So forget about using DVD's for footage, your new DVD drive will only let you play it back to your cerified monitor with a certified media player (certification of software will require a small fee, but nothing any multimillion dollar software house can't afford. We'll just have to do without all those pesky freeware and open source programs, the MPAA's profits are at stake!). Forget about using VHS footage, your new capture card won't let you capture, and your new VCR will only let you play it back to a certified television, certainly not another VCR. Forget about using fansubs, because if the ripping groups can't capture a live broadcast or rip a DVD, there'll be no more fansubs.

This may be a worst case scenario, but it's important to realize that it's the best case scenario for the RIAA and the MPAA. These organisations exist because we give them money. We're their clients and this is what they're selling us.

So basically they are trying to control anything that will allow you to copy a dvd, tv show or anything of that nature. It willn't allow you to transfer footage unless everything is certified. So how can they stop us from the equipment we already have. Are they going to come to our door and replace all the equipment we own with new stuff? Will they force us to get rid of our old stuff and get new stuff? I know they can't do that. This seems to be way to over the top to be passed. But if it does what is the reason again that we can't use our old stuff, even if they started to replace stuff in the stores? Does this spell the end to any type of amateur/home/fun video editing? How will this affect conventions from the fan point?

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Geeezzz... I assume all this talk over this is in fun and not taken seriously.

Really people...

I've been around quite a while and seen this kind of crap has been tried to implement against the tape recorder, cassette tapes and VCRs... IT NEVER WORKS and is just plain stupidity... I've not yet know any of this kind of crap to ever stop people from recording, copying, etc...

Quite honestly, the music and movie industry "Unions" as I like to call them are the real crooks in most cases... Most of their ideas all infringe on the constitutional rights of people and I doubt things like this will ever go through. It’s a sign of a corrupted monopoly trying desperately to cling on to their riches That and the fact that the people who write a lot of the so called "illegal" software are a lot smarter then these guys and will have a solution out in weeks... (those who really want it will always find a way)...

Bottom line, AMV as a hobby will always be possible... just have to learn a few new tricks every so often

Vlad