Old Videos, Video Releases, and Contests
- Fall_Child42
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Old Videos, Video Releases, and Contests
Ok I have a question because I can't figure it out so I would like some other peoples opinions on the matter...
When entering contests do you like entering fresh new videos? How old of a video would you enter? would you enter your video into multiple contests?
Do you release your video on the org before the contest to test the waters with the video? or do you prefer to wait until after the contest is over, so the audieance gets more of a surprise?
When entering contests do you like entering fresh new videos? How old of a video would you enter? would you enter your video into multiple contests?
Do you release your video on the org before the contest to test the waters with the video? or do you prefer to wait until after the contest is over, so the audieance gets more of a surprise?
- Kalium
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Re: Old Videos, Video Releases, and Contests
Some contests have rules on this. It's generally considered bad form to enter an old video in contests, however. Multiple contests depends. If it's trolling for awards, then that's very bad form.Fall_Child42 wrote:When entering contests do you like entering fresh new videos? How old of a video would you enter? would you enter your video into multiple contests?
Again, some contests have rules on this. Personally, I release a video whenever it's finished, regardless of contests.Fall_Child42 wrote:Do you release your video on the org before the contest to test the waters with the video? or do you prefer to wait until after the contest is over, so the audieance gets more of a surprise?
- Qyot27
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At least as of right now, the only videos I haven't released immediately after finishing them are multi-editor project tracks. This was also generally true for most of my prior videos, IIRC. The only two videos I have submitted to a convention contest were six months old or less at the time of the showing, though (although I don't think one of them aired because of the inclusion of one line of English dialogue or the amount of blood - not quite sure which).
When I actually get back to editing whole videos again (which hopefully will be in a few months, making it a year or more since I'd done any full-length videos - if you don't count the one I did for VG3) I'll probably hold off just as a precaution since I'll likely have a contest or two I'd want to submit the video to and IMO it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'd actually think of it in reverse in terms of 'testing the waters', so to speak, though. Generally the most popular videos I've watched are ones that premiered at conventions or at least had very limited release beforehand, not something as wide as a Local download would be. It most likely has to do with the fast word-of-mouth that arises from contest-winning videos at conventions and even more likely the particular editors having gotten names for themselves by their convention track records. Basically what I'm saying is that 'if it did well at the convention, it'll probably be popular if it sees general release'. Doing well doesn't mean it necessarily won anything, though.
When I actually get back to editing whole videos again (which hopefully will be in a few months, making it a year or more since I'd done any full-length videos - if you don't count the one I did for VG3) I'll probably hold off just as a precaution since I'll likely have a contest or two I'd want to submit the video to and IMO it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'd actually think of it in reverse in terms of 'testing the waters', so to speak, though. Generally the most popular videos I've watched are ones that premiered at conventions or at least had very limited release beforehand, not something as wide as a Local download would be. It most likely has to do with the fast word-of-mouth that arises from contest-winning videos at conventions and even more likely the particular editors having gotten names for themselves by their convention track records. Basically what I'm saying is that 'if it did well at the convention, it'll probably be popular if it sees general release'. Doing well doesn't mean it necessarily won anything, though.
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- lilgumba
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For conventions I generally like to release material that is new and not seen before. When I submit to ACen I don't put up the video until ACen is over. It's not that many people will see the video but for the people who do I'd rather not spoil it for them. Occasionally there is a contest that will allow a video no older than one year to enter. If the conditions are met I would submit that even if it was put here for local download. Ususally those consists of smaller contests where people might not have been able to see the video. So far I have submitted a video in multiple contests once but I would not do it at the same time. There was a good time lag between the submissions and I would not submit a video that has won at a major convention to avoid the trolling thing.
- 808-buma
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a friend and I were talking about this subject and all of a sudden, it's here now too! Well, I too am curious about submitting your AMV to multiple contests that are all about the same time. What do the seniors in this field think about that?
As a newbie, I feel that if I submit it to a lot of cons, I get a lot of exposure - with an ultimate goal of another member to come here and post "how do I find <fill in the blank> video? I just saw it at <such and such> convention and it ROXORS!" And if it wins awards too... so be it.
but my friend thinks the opposite - you should only submit to cons you're planning to attend and maybe to a 'biggie' con (such as AWA, for example) - that way you compete amonst the best and if you succeed, you rock.
I donno... just very curious about the others opinons on this subject too.
As a newbie, I feel that if I submit it to a lot of cons, I get a lot of exposure - with an ultimate goal of another member to come here and post "how do I find <fill in the blank> video? I just saw it at <such and such> convention and it ROXORS!" And if it wins awards too... so be it.
but my friend thinks the opposite - you should only submit to cons you're planning to attend and maybe to a 'biggie' con (such as AWA, for example) - that way you compete amonst the best and if you succeed, you rock.
I donno... just very curious about the others opinons on this subject too.
- godix
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The following is just the guidelines I myself believe. Which, of course, means they're obviously the only correct answer and anything anyone else tells is just wrong.
If I am intentionally making a video for a specific con I'll wait till it's over. To date that has happened exactly once. Otherwise I release when I'm done.
I will not submit a video to cons if it has been shown at another 'major' con already or won an award (yeah, right, like I gotta worry about that qualification). Being avalable on the org doesn't make me not submit as long as it isn't more than a couple months old. I will submit to multiple cons sometimes but only the the deadlines for submissions are before either contest date.
I try and think of the cons needs. It is doubtful I will ever submit a drama or action video to a major con just because I know offhand they already have enough of them. Instead I'll try submitting one of the lesser used catagories. This is especially true if I'm going to attend the con, I don't want to have to sit through 20 dramas to catch mine.
Every now and then one of the smaller cons shows signs that if they don't get more submissions in certain catagories then their contest may not happen. In those cases I'll drag out whatever catagory they need regardless of previous cons/age. I let the coordinator know exactly what I'm doing and he can make the decision on if they need to include it. In these case I specify that if things reverse and they end up needing to cut then my vid should be first on the chopping block. Since I do mostly comedy and that seems to be one of the catagories likely to lack submissions I probably do this more than other editors would.
If I am intentionally making a video for a specific con I'll wait till it's over. To date that has happened exactly once. Otherwise I release when I'm done.
I will not submit a video to cons if it has been shown at another 'major' con already or won an award (yeah, right, like I gotta worry about that qualification). Being avalable on the org doesn't make me not submit as long as it isn't more than a couple months old. I will submit to multiple cons sometimes but only the the deadlines for submissions are before either contest date.
I try and think of the cons needs. It is doubtful I will ever submit a drama or action video to a major con just because I know offhand they already have enough of them. Instead I'll try submitting one of the lesser used catagories. This is especially true if I'm going to attend the con, I don't want to have to sit through 20 dramas to catch mine.
Every now and then one of the smaller cons shows signs that if they don't get more submissions in certain catagories then their contest may not happen. In those cases I'll drag out whatever catagory they need regardless of previous cons/age. I let the coordinator know exactly what I'm doing and he can make the decision on if they need to include it. In these case I specify that if things reverse and they end up needing to cut then my vid should be first on the chopping block. Since I do mostly comedy and that seems to be one of the catagories likely to lack submissions I probably do this more than other editors would.
- FoxJones
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Older AMVs that I have already made. This is because I don't make AMVs for contests but for other (selfish) reasons. Combine this with the fact that many contests doesn't allow already released AMVs and you have the reason why it is VERY rare that I participate in any contest. I don't see a problem about using old AMVs because even though some people might have seen them, there's bound to also be several people at the cons/contests that haven't seen it yet. Even if the AMV is known to the possible judges (if winners are determined by the judges, not the audience), which lowers it's score do remember that it's not the winning that's important.. it's participating. Participating gets your AMVs known to the audience.
Some points:
- If the AMV is made for the contest in mind, I wouldn't release it before the contest is over.
- If old AMV won something, I wouldn't use it anymore in another contest. (exception being, it has been put into several contest simultanously and won more than one) I'd also try to give all the my creations a chance, not just placing the (IMO)best one everywhere.
Some points:
- If the AMV is made for the contest in mind, I wouldn't release it before the contest is over.
- If old AMV won something, I wouldn't use it anymore in another contest. (exception being, it has been put into several contest simultanously and won more than one) I'd also try to give all the my creations a chance, not just placing the (IMO)best one everywhere.
- Ashyukun
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As has already been pointed out, everyone has their own different personal guidelines that they follow- and realistically as long as you don't violate the contest's specific rules you can pretty much do whatever you want. If you submit a video that has won numerous awards to contests 9 months after the first contest you entered it into- yeah, you're likely to catch a bit of flack from other editors about trolling.
Many contests do have rules as to when the video was created- Otakon for example limits the contest to videos made in the previous two years and forbits video that have been entered to the Otakon contest before. Other contests are more stringent, requiring the video to have been completed in a certain number of months prior to the deadline. It's highly variable between conventions, and your best bet it to just pay attention to the rules and follow them.
Many contests do have rules as to when the video was created- Otakon for example limits the contest to videos made in the previous two years and forbits video that have been entered to the Otakon contest before. Other contests are more stringent, requiring the video to have been completed in a certain number of months prior to the deadline. It's highly variable between conventions, and your best bet it to just pay attention to the rules and follow them.
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I feel almost the same since I'm a noob myself. I like con exposure(even though i will never get used to seeing my vid on the big screen) but I like to give a surprize to the audience. I'd rather wait till the con is over then post my vid. But if i could i would enter it in a lot of cons, that is of course if it hasnt won any (major con ie:ax, otakon, awa)awards.808-buma wrote: As a newbie, I feel that if I submit it to a lot of cons, I get a lot of exposure - with an ultimate goal of another member to come here and post "how do I find <fill in the blank> video? I just saw it at <such and such> convention and it ROXORS!" And if it wins awards too... so be it.
Oh god, that black dude with the afro is always making those damn trash ass music hip hop amvs...he needs to do something with techno or rock....
.......as if I would do something like that.
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.......as if I would do something like that.
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