Mike's & Hinatasan's second Project

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:04 pm

Michele wrote:You actually have right, it's rare to see old style videos nowadays, this because probably I think that a video without effects, it is not something that can be called a creation, a video without effects is a video that is only a music with cuts of an anime

That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to tell me that Naruto's Technique Beat is more of a creation than Beautiful Earth? You may like excessive effects and no story, but I think it's a little rude to try and discredit people whose creative process revolves around story-telling and cohesiveness.

TeclmmlEd · Post by **TeclmmlEd** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:20 pm

Michele wrote:
TeclmmlEd

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:31 am Post subject:
What happened Michele!!! Why cant we have nice normal regular vids anymore. Well atleast you compressed audio this time -_-. I really didnt even find a story though this video...I mean the only thing I liked in this video was the song and that you finally compressed your video nicely. Ill be sure to get the song Wink I hope your next video will be better. *awaits to be jumped by all the naruto lovers*
Your comment is really really interesting and it's a point of view that surely make me really feel in mood of discussion =) You actually have right, it's rare to see old style videos nowadays, this because probably I think that a video without effects, it is not something that can be called a creation, a video without effects is a video that is only a music with cuts of an anime, besides, a video with some way of unicity, this kind of thoughts are borned in me since I saw Olin, the video was overwhelmed (I personally don't like it a lot as Amv, But I love it as creation), but be sure that that video will be unique, I mean, a video with some type of effects, even a Color change, or a Brightness bloom, make the video actually a creation and create the Anime Music Video, our video, god it's Extremely hard for me explain what I mean since english's not my first language.

Better to forget what I said, it's too confusional, I'll try to catch up my mind and to re-post something with sense later ;P

But actually, you have right about the probably too much big whole of effects the video is filled of.

#1 You said

It's rare to see old style videos nowadays, this because probably I think that a video without effects, it is not something that can be called a creation

- How can a video without effects not be a creation? I mean I have seen pleanty videos without fades or any effects that are very good. Also if you saying a fade (IT IS AN EFFECT >_>) in a video MAKES IT A CREATION....than your wrong. Fade is obviously going to be used in pleanty of videos. Many so called "Old scoo" vids have fades. Fades are not as bad as going overboard and putting Garras dam Squirrel in the cage!

#2....I cant understand any of the rest that you said to me. I barely understood the 1st part. Sorry but it was a bit hard for me

ANYWAY....We all have our diffrent opinions Mikey. As long as you keep editing im happy for you

- Teccy

Unlimited Rice · Post by **Unlimited Rice** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:23 pm

when applying to videos, I wouldn't call them a creation, cause that means you did almost everything urself.. including all ur footage... basicaly, edited videos are not creations

[Mike of the Desert] · Post by **[Mike of the Desert]** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:00 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote:
Michele wrote:You actually have right, it's rare to see old style videos nowadays, this because probably I think that a video without effects, it is not something that can be called a creation, a video without effects is a video that is only a music with cuts of an anime
That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to tell me that Naruto's Technique Beat is more of a creation than Beautiful Earth? You may like excessive effects and no story, but I think it's a little rude to try and discredit people whose creative process revolves around story-telling and cohesiveness.

ABSOLUTELY NOT! That's absolutely not what I've tried to say, the video you noticed do NOT have a story, it's "modern art" in the way it is done especially thanks to the monitors forms the clips get but it's far away what I was saying, I know I'm really been not clear. I do like effects, but I do not like the overuse, or, more than anything, the BAD use. I'll try to be more clear when I find the words =) And, my god, I would never even think to discredit anyone!! I'm been really unclear with my explanation and I give my apologies for this >.< The proof that a video without a single effect can be really art and creation (even if unoriginal) is Hot-Blooded Nindo. I'll repeat myself, I'm been damnly unclear.

- How can a video without effects not be a creation? I mean I have seen pleanty videos without fades or any effects that are very good. Also if you saying a fade (IT IS AN EFFECT >_>) in a video MAKES IT A CREATION....than your wrong. Fade is obviously going to be used in pleanty of videos. Many so called "Old scoo" vids have fades. Fades are not as bad as going overboard and putting Garras dam Squirrel in the cage!

#2....I cant understand any of the rest that you said to me. I barely understood the 1st part. Sorry but it was a bit hard for me Embarassed

ANYWAY....We all have our diffrent opinions Mikey. As long as you keep editing im happy for you Very Happy

- Teccy Wink

Yes we have different opinions! =) But that's not a bad thing ;D Anyway, Fade I S an effect, never said the opposite, a video with that fade in that point is unique. As well as videos without effects, but god, I would like to express myself as well as english was my fisrt languange ;P I actually love old-school videos and myself I made many (as well as the video before this one, but god I'm sick about Naruto, sick sick and sick, if I done another video about this anime is because hinatasan offered the collaboration and I liked the concept °_°)

Tyler_yj · Post by **Tyler_yj** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:09 pm

Flint the Dwarf wrote: You may like excessive effects and no story, but I think it's a little rude to try and discredit people whose creative process revolves around story-telling and cohesiveness.

It's rude in the same way to discredit people who put months or maybe years in creating these effects

And in terms of effort, Michelle is totally right. It takes alot of time putting thought into scene selection and story-telling, but it takes definetely more effort to create impressive effects. I've tried both, and guess which video got finished way faster.
Not saying that the video that takes longer is better tho. That's where michele is totally wrong calling it no creation

As for the video, I didn't really like it, mostly because of song and anime-selection. Alot of the effects seemed also pretty random and useless. It felt pretty much like watching your first collaborative video another time. You should also lower your use of the premiere-motion, it's waaay too rough and disturbing.

TeclmmlEd · Post by **TeclmmlEd** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:10 pm

Michele wrote:
Flint the Dwarf wrote:
Michele wrote:You actually have right, it's rare to see old style videos nowadays, this because probably I think that a video without effects, it is not something that can be called a creation, a video without effects is a video that is only a music with cuts of an anime
That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to tell me that Naruto's Technique Beat is more of a creation than Beautiful Earth? You may like excessive effects and no story, but I think it's a little rude to try and discredit people whose creative process revolves around story-telling and cohesiveness.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! That's absolutely not what I've tried to say, the video you noticed do NOT have a story, it's "modern art" in the way it is done especially thanks to the monitors forms the clips get but it's far away what I was saying, I know I'm really been not clear. I do like effects, but I do not like the overuse, or, more than anything, the BAD use. I'll try to be more clear when I find the words =) And, my god, I would never even think to discredit anyone!! I'm been really unclear with my explanation and I give my apologies for this >.< The proof that a video without a single effect can be really art and creation (even if unoriginal) is Hot-Blooded Nindo. I'll repeat myself, I'm been damnly unclear.

- How can a video without effects not be a creation? I mean I have seen pleanty videos without fades or any effects that are very good. Also if you saying a fade (IT IS AN EFFECT >_>) in a video MAKES IT A CREATION....than your wrong. Fade is obviously going to be used in pleanty of videos. Many so called "Old scoo" vids have fades. Fades are not as bad as going overboard and putting Garras dam Squirrel in the cage!

#2....I cant understand any of the rest that you said to me. I barely understood the 1st part. Sorry but it was a bit hard for me Embarassed

ANYWAY....We all have our diffrent opinions Mikey. As long as you keep editing im happy for you Very Happy

- Teccy Wink
Yes we have different opinions! =) But that's not a bad thing ;D Anyway, Fade I S an effect, never said the opposite, a video with that fade in that point is unique. As well as videos without effects, but god, I would like to express myself as well as english was my fisrt languange ;P I actually love old-school videos and myself I made many (as well as the video before this one, but god I'm sick about Naruto, sick sick and sick, if I done another video about this anime is because hinatasan offered the collaboration and I liked the concept °_°)

Believe me Mikey....There are more original vids just like Hot-Blooded Nindo. I enjoy that video as well. For one thing we dont see much lip sync around these days and it was very original WITH NO EFFECTS O.O. Now I know your English isnt to great so maybe Flint and I misunderstood you but you have to understand that crazy effects arnt allways the best thing.

- Tec

JCD · Post by **JCD** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:11 pm

Tyler_yj wrote:
Flint the Dwarf wrote: You may like excessive effects and no story, but I think it's a little rude to try and discredit people whose creative process revolves around story-telling and cohesiveness.
It's rude in the same way to discredit people who put months or maybe years in creating these effects
And in terms of effort, Michelle is totally right. It takes alot of time putting thought into scene selection and story-telling, but it takes definetely more effort to create impressive effects. I've tried both, and guess which video got finished way faster.
Not saying that the video that takes longer is better tho. That's where michele is totally wrong calling it no creation

As for the video, I didn't really like it, mostly because of song and anime-selection. Alot of the effects seemed also pretty random and useless. It felt pretty much like watching your first collaborative video another time. You should also lower your use of the premiere-motion, it's waaay too rough and disturbing.

That was me, forgot to log Tyler out of this friggin laptop

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:15 pm

JCD, I'm not discrediting anyone for effects. I was merely defending people who rely on story. Look, I don't even want to get into this debate here. If you want to continue it, PM me.

[Mike of the Desert] · Post by **[Mike of the Desert]** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:36 pm

Now I know your English isnt to great so maybe Flint and I misunderstood you but you have to understand that crazy effects arnt allways the best thing.

- Tec Wink

Sure, you have definitively right and I completely understood what you want to say, we tried to evade from creat crazy effects, and create smart ones, probably we made some erros planning this and we made them too invasive, the thing we didn't wanted to end in; and the critics we are receiving about this are pure gold =) Thanks a lot!

About you JCD, great comment, thanks a lot for what you said and you have asolutely right, as I said I expressed myself in the wrong way =) Thanks a lot for the comment and your opinions =D

Flint the Dwarf
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject:
JCD, I'm not discrediting anyone for effects. I was merely defending people who rely on story. Look, I don't even want to get into this debate here. If you want to continue it, PM me.

A debate is (nearly) always something good, but in fact we are going fairly Off Topic here, so thanks for everything you all said about this =D But be careful to do not go OT.

LCY84 · Post by **LCY84** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:32 pm

SuperFusion wrote:It just seems like you guys are using effects for the hell of it. Like an experiment. I like the video, I don't know why, but I do.

x2

First time you compressed your audio file YAY