New and Curious

SuperFusion · Post by **SuperFusion** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:52 pm

Kionon wrote:As the person who has had someone use the same song and the same multi-source after I did, I think it personally shows laziness more than malice. I always check the Org for song and anime combinations.

However, I personally would never use the same song and anime combination as someone else. Golden rule; I wouldn't want it done to me, so I don't do it to anyone else.

But you see..thing is..I wouldn't care if someone used the same anime/song combo because..it's what I I wanna do. You sayin' I'm lazy for that is shit.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:55 pm

/me glances at sig.

Yup, still appropriate.

YouTube · Post by **Kionon** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:59 pm

SuperFusion wrote:But you see..thing is..I wouldn't care if someone used the same anime/song combo because..it's what I I wanna do. You sayin' I'm lazy for that is shit.

Then we simply have a disagreement on the ethics here. If you intentionally choose not to search the site because you don't feel song/anime combinations have even the thinnest veneer of intellectual property, then how I feel is completely irrelevent in your case. I'm not saying you're anything, because I'm not describing you.

As stated, I wouldn't want it done to me, so I wouldn't do it to others. If I would feel slighted (and I would), then I'm not going to do something to make someone else feel the same way.

Bakadeshi · Post by **Bakadeshi** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:39 pm

godix wrote:/me glances at sig.

Yup, still appropriate.

haha thats what makes this home ;p

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:37 pm

If someone watched one of my vids and then decided he could do better, and made a video to the same anime, same song, and same scenes (though he ripped them himself), I would be highly annoyed if I were not mentioned as the source of inspiration for the entire video. I wouldn't flame him, though. I'd grumble to myself and go back to making videos.

When I get ideas that 'have been done before' I either don't know it, or haven't watched the videos in question. If I came up with the anime/song combo without knowing someone else had already done it, I'm not stealing anything. I *still* came up with it on my own. If anything both I and the original person lack creativity - if we both came up with the same idea, it can't be a very original idea. Unless we're both originality geniuses. This has happened to me a few times, so I doubt that it's a matter of being a genius at originality. ;p

I think the problem is people make a video to a song and then think they're the only people in the world who could possibly have had that idea. Few anime/song combos are that original. If someone else just happened to have the same idea as me, that just shows it's a popular idea. As long as he didn't get the idea from watching my vid, his amv has nothing to do with me.

It's sort of like the first person to write a vampire book set in the 1800s thinking he has intellectual rights to all vampire books set in that time period. It doesn't work that way.

No one gets a monopoly on a certain song or combination purely by entering it into the database first. This is why people are not supposed to enter 'ideas' to have 'first dibs' on them before they even make the video. There's no such thing as dibs on a combination. On the editing of the story made within a video with that particular combination - yes, but not on the combination itself.

JaddziaDax · Post by **JaddziaDax** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:59 am

my personal take on this:

Situation 1. I mada a vid a year or more ago, i looked it up and there are now three for the same anime/song combo... all three are different, my old one still sucks, so no harm done.

Situation 2. FullMetal Alchemist and Greenday - Boulavard of Broken Dreams had been done about 11-12 times before I worked on a MEP for it. hahahahahahahaha... dont care... didnt seem anyone was doing it to my taste anyways. (why did we do it MEP?? cause we can)

Situation 3. I once came across a video that had the same song/anime combo... i took interest in it... cause when I uploaded mine there was no listing on a-m-v.org... so I went and downloaded and watched this vid as i was curious more than anything about it... it wasnt untill i realized that not only had they done the same song/anime combo BUT THEY STOLE FOOTAGE from MY video was I annoied. I later gave them permission to go ahead and use my footage cause they credited me in their comments... now... that to me strikes me as a bit of laziness... *ahem* /bitter

Situation 4. one of my old videos (Escaflowne/No Doubt) really sucked, and I wanted to REMAKE it... so I did... its a different video from the original, so therefore a different video, the old one sucks still, but the new one shows improvement.... either way, I am glad to have remade it (it is really a different vid as i chose different scenes the second time around, cause I actually had a thaught process aside from "hay this looks cool")

Situation 5. I have seen some people do "AMV competitions" between each other where they take the same source and music and make videos... it seems like an interesting concept, and I would like to try this one day..

overall who cares if its redundant, different vid is different vid... upload away... though your question has been answered many times over.

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:05 pm

Once you have made a video you have every right to upload it.

The whole argument of not copying ideas really applies before you have started editing, when you might want to forgo an idea if it has been done before.

Plus there are many different ways to approch a video and yours is probably considerably different.

The only thing that people really get mad about is stealling footage from videos or claiming others videos as your own.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:29 pm

Your topic sounds like an ad for PORN.
Ask those fuckers who have 32 Goku tributes WITH FOOTAGE PULLED OFF OF KAZAA SYNCHED TO MOODY DEMOGRAPHICALLY-ADOLESCENT MP3s IN 128 KBPS OR LESS AND EDITED IN BILL GATE'S GIFT TO AMVING in their profiles. I'm sure they'd approve.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:14 pm

I saw something the other day that reminded me about the squabble about editors using the same song/anime combo, or even the same song in some AMVs instances (Must Be Dreaming, Engel, etc.)

I like Muse. They're a fantastic band who makes great music. I was looking up different artists similar to Muse at a local Barnes & Noble. Their interactive music thingy has reviews from AMG, All Music Guide. In every review for a Muse album, the reviewer accused them of ripping off Radiohead. Do they sound similar? Yes, they do in some respects. Does this constitute ripping them off, because Radiohead came first? No, and it angers me to read people make these accusations.

So, does that mean just because someone else is going to use a popular song, or a song/anime combo of a famous video, that the editor is going to steal the concept of the original video?

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:54 pm

I still don't understand why this topic comes up.

there's more to the concept of a video than anime/song combination. Sometimes that will be the heart of it, but videos can still go in wildly different directions given that.

Also, if somebody else has a video that does have the same concept as yours, then that means one of two things. Either your concept wasn't terribly original in the first place, or the other editor thought your video sucked and tried to do a better job. Whether or not they actually did is irrelevant.

And if people want to edit using Engel or Must Be Dreaming, god damn let them.