Vegas V.S. Premiere

[x_rex30]

Anyway, VOBs run like shit in Premiere, and that's one of the main reasons I want to use Vegas, cause from personal experience, media files run a lot better in Vegas. The playback also ran about as smooth as this even when I added the effects. The upside though to Premiere(not saying that there the only ones) is that it may be a bit easier to do key timing since you can hear the audio by moving the arrow keys, and having that kind of control with the audio is very good for precision timing, and it has AE. Is there something like AE for Vegas 5.0? Anyways give me your thoughts and opinions on this.

[Farlo]

i just figured out i can open vobs in MSP by renaming em to mpeg...

and as i said before ulead Msp > all

[x_rex30]

i just figured out i can open vobs in MSP by renaming em to mpeg...

and as i said before ulead Msp > all

lol, I forgot to tell you to try that, oh well. The only prob is though, is it frame accurate? So far VOBs seem pretty accurate in Vegas, I need to run a few more tests on it, though. If I could import AVS in Vegas, I would do that but makeAVIS ain't working for me.

[Scintilla]

The upside though to Premiere(not saying that there the only ones) is that ... it has AE.

<i>What?</i>

Adobe After Effects is a totally separate program from Adobe Premiere.

[MomochiZabuza]

The upside though to Premiere(not saying that there the only ones) is that ... it has AE.

<i>What?</i>

Adobe After Effects is a totally separate program from Adobe Premiere.

Yeah, but it's associated with Premiere for some reason...

I like premier even though sometimes it goes crazy and fucks up all the timing on my videos by like half a second and so then i have to go through the whole thing and re-do the timing.

It's the only thing I know, so I intend to stick with it

[x_rex30]

<i>What?</i>

Adobe After Effects is a totally separate program from Adobe Premiere.

I know that, lol. I meant as a program that associates with it, shesh.

[AMVfreak]

Anyway, VOBs run like shit in Premiere, and that's one of the main reasons I want to use Vegas, cause from personal experience, media files run a lot better in Vegas.

Well, if you take that extra effort to run the VOBs through DGIndex/AVIsynth to make them editable in Premiere, you can prevent that problem. : )

The playback also ran about as smooth as this even when I added the effects.

Um, from what I see of the test clip, the only things you've added are white flashes- which Premiere handles smoothly as well, in my case.

Is there something like AE for Vegas 5.0?

If you're talking about direct associations within two programs for Vegas, then no.

The only prob is though, is it frame accurate? So far VOBs seem pretty accurate in Vegas, I need to run a few more tests on it, though. If I could import AVS in Vegas, I would do that but makeAVIS ain't working for me.

I don't know if Vegas is frame accurate in VOB editing. If 'it seems pretty accurate' in Vegas and that is good enough for you, go for it- no gurantees though. I'd rather prefer working them through AVIsynth for better manipulation and insurance. Also, if MakeAVIs isn't working for you, why don't you use methods 1 or 3? I have mentioned this to you once before in another thread.

[x_rex30]

Anyway, VOBs run like shit in Premiere, and that's one of the main reasons I want to use Vegas, cause from personal experience, media files run a lot better in Vegas.

Well, if you take that extra effort to run the VOBs through DGIndex/AVIsynth to make them editable in Premiere, you can prevent that problem. : )

Actually it's still the same deal. Premiere runs videos like shit, even other formats of various file sizes. And there's so much freekin' configuration to make it run better, even then it's not so much a huge imrovement.

The playback also ran about as smooth as this even when I added the effects.

Um, from what I see of the test clip, the only things you've added are white flashes- which Premiere handles smoothly as well, in my case.

There was multiple layers in that, and it still ran like that. Also with other transitions like cross effects, dissolve, flash, etc., it still ran way better than premiere, and you don't even have to render it to View the effects with the audio. And in Premiere I'm sure you could view the effects before rendering it, but you can't hear the audio.

The only prob is though, is it frame accurate? So far VOBs seem pretty accurate in Vegas, I need to run a few more tests on it, though. If I could import AVS in Vegas, I would do that but makeAVIS ain't working for me.

I don't know if Vegas is frame accurate in VOB editing. If 'it seems pretty accurate' in Vegas and that is good enough for you, go for it- no gurantees though. I'd rather prefer working them through AVIsynth for better manipulation and insurance. Also, if MakeAVIs isn't working for you, why don't you use methods 1 or 3? I have mentioned this to you once before in another thread.

Yes you did. The program is even said to be very bugy, and I even mentioned it didn't work to you as well.

[AMVfreak]

Anyway, VOBs run like shit in Premiere, and that's one of the main reasons I want to use Vegas, cause from personal experience, media files run a lot better in Vegas.

Well, if you take that extra effort to run the VOBs through DGIndex/AVIsynth to make them editable in Premiere, you can prevent that problem. : )

Actually it's still the same deal. Premiere runs videos like shit, even other formats of various file sizes. And there's so much freekin' configuration to make it run better, even then it's not so much a huge imrovement.

What formats are you using? Have you tried using well suited codecs- such as MJPEG, Huffyuv, lagarith? From my experience, Premiere handles them fine, and has a huge improvement in editing compared with other 'slower' formats.

What configurations? You mean the Project Settings? I'm sure Vegas has as much settings for Project Settings too, no?

Vegas Settings
6.0/6.5 Settings
Pro Settings

The playback also ran about as smooth as this even when I added the effects.

Um, from what I see of the test clip, the only things you've added are white flashes- which Premiere handles smoothly as well, in my case.

There was multiple layers in that, and it still ran like that. Also with other transitions like cross effects, dissolve, flash, etc., it still ran way better than premiere, and you don't even have to render it to View the effects with the audio. And in Premiere I'm sure you could view the effects before rendering it, but you can't hear the audio.

Well from what I saw of the test clip you said were added with effects, there was only a fast cut from Ninamori to Asuka with white flashes added in that I saw.

You can either Preview or Render Scrub to view the effects in Premiere 6.0/6.5-without audio for render scrubbing like you mentioned.
In Premiere Pro however, you can view the effects and audio without either actions.

Also, in my experiences, I have often grew quite fond of the Preview/Render feature that you've mentioned, because it gives me a real-time preview.

The only prob is though, is it frame accurate? So far VOBs seem pretty accurate in Vegas, I need to run a few more tests on it, though. If I could import AVS in Vegas, I would do that but makeAVIS ain't working for me.

I don't know if Vegas is frame accurate in VOB editing. If 'it seems pretty accurate' in Vegas and that is good enough for you, go for it- no gurantees though. I'd rather prefer working them through AVIsynth for better manipulation and insurance. Also, if MakeAVIs isn't working for you, why don't you use methods 1 or 3? I have mentioned this to you once before in another thread.

Yes you did. The program is even said to be very bugy, and I even mentioned it didn't work to you as well.

I am talking about Methods 1 and 3. ^^

[x_rex30]

Oh, and thought I should add Vegas loads a lot faster as well.

And I didn't know you could preview the effects in Premiere pro(use to Premiere 6.0) without having to render it. That still doesn't change the fact that Premiere is slow as fuck compared to Vegas.