What anime could the world do without?

[Matticans]

forgot one. Lupin the third. What crap!

I guess that means you have never seen Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliastro. It one of the best movies in my opinion. Watch it. You will think differently afterwards.

[Heero_Yuy84]

So I must protest that you list Neon Genesis Evangelion among one of them. That is truly the greatest anime series of all time. In fact if it weren't for that anime series I would not be into anime at this point in time. Neon Genesis Evangelion is truly one of the most revolutionary animes, with the best story, greatest chracters, and most orignial plot line ever to exist on the face of this whole f*cking earth! The reason this series got me into anime, was becasue before I was into anime I was into RPGs. A lot, as of right now I have beaten 54, and I think then it was 45. But anyway I was really getting sick of their mediocre story lines. They all seemed like the same thing over and over again, and the best one I had played were Grandia II at the top and Xenogears just below. But every other RPG I just thought was pretty good. Nothing specail, jsut the same thing over and over again. So, I thought, why not try something new.

Actually, not really. If you search around, you'll find EVA pulled elements from a number of pre-existing animes to compile itself (the three biggest it's been fingered for pulling from are Yuusha Raideen, Aura Battler Dunbine, and Space Runaway Ideon.) (Just cause you've not heard of it, doesn't mean it never existed.)
and even then, when you take a step back, the storyline comes across as an archetypical mecha story with religion thrown in. (Which one of the producers admitted was mainly put in just so it would stand out to the audience.)

The only real unique element I saw to the story was Hideki Anno's couchtrip factor into the later episodes.
Otherwise, the plot wasn't exactly much new or original.

[Evangelion Unit 01]

So I must protest that you list Neon Genesis Evangelion among one of them. That is truly the greatest anime series of all time. In fact if it weren't for that anime series I would not be into anime at this point in time. Neon Genesis Evangelion is truly one of the most revolutionary animes, with the best story, greatest chracters, and most orignial plot line ever to exist on the face of this whole f*cking earth! The reason this series got me into anime, was becasue before I was into anime I was into RPGs. A lot, as of right now I have beaten 54, and I think then it was 45. But anyway I was really getting sick of their mediocre story lines. They all seemed like the same thing over and over again, and the best one I had played were Grandia II at the top and Xenogears just below. But every other RPG I just thought was pretty good. Nothing specail, jsut the same thing over and over again. So, I thought, why not try something new.

Actually, not really. If you search around, you'll find EVA pulled elements from a number of pre-existing animes to compile itself (the three biggest it's been fingered for pulling from are Yuusha Raideen, Aura Battler Dunbine, and Space Runaway Ideon.) (Just cause you've not heard of it, doesn't mean it never existed.)
and even then, when you take a step back, the storyline comes across as an archetypical mecha story with religion thrown in. (Which one of the producers admitted was mainly put in just so it would stand out to the audience.)

The only real unique element I saw to the story was Hideki Anno's couchtrip factor into the later episodes.
Otherwise, the plot wasn't exactly much new or original.

Okay, if you want to go with the exact definition of orginality, then nothing is original. Humans can only creat something from the materials we are provided. We don't have the power to create, but to only more and shape what is already there to our liking.

But for me, and this is still true today, evangelion had the most oringinal story line I had ever heard, and I loved it. That's why I feel the need to defend it.

And about the whole chirstian thing, Yeah I heard that too. But I am jewish and I think I went to church one when I was five, and I was so board, and so was my mom that we left like mid way through. But anyway, I have not completly read the bible, I only know what I got from my bible as lit class which I need to transfer to a better college. And I saw evangelion before I ever took that class, and I still thought that the whole christian thing had a good place in the story line whether it was put there or not to sell. But then again regaurdless all anime series want to sell that is their goal, so they where right in doing what they did. If it stand out to the audianece then it will sell so their you go.

I suppose by basic stand points it is another mecha story, but still it has a lot to it. I think taking a step back is like just looking what the surface has to offer, but when you acctually get into it you see so much more. Really looking at only the surface of somthing is a really bad way to look at anything in my opinoun. You don't get the full story line and its like you never acctually watched the anime.

As for those animes you are refering to, I have never heard of them, but I want deny the fact that they exists. Also to write a short story in my class I pulled from eva and for a play, I pulled from Hellsing. So, there is no such thing as origniality, but as of yet evangelion to me probably has the best most orginal story line there is, so It should stay, and I am pretty sure I could get a lot of support to back me up on that one.

[Bulghod]

well to be specific and a total ________ about it, it's technically Judeo-christian, since most of the angel's designs were taked from the book of of Enoch, which would have been part of the old testament if it had been cannonized or whatever the term is. that and most of the symbols are from the old testament, the arcana or whatever from the Kabbalah, mostly the tree of life. the only real christian elements that can be found there is a reference to Jesus in Shinji, but i doubt that because i think it's more autobiographical for anno.

and as far as i know, Jesus never came all over his hand when he saw his comotose co-worker's titties, but that could be something in Apocolypse, i didn't read that book.

and that the head of Seele was the Wandering Jew that spat into Jesus's face.

either way, i think that as far as eva's originality goes, it had to be in some way original, or bring something very new to the table, or we wouldn't really be celebrating it has the huge anime it is. i don't care whether you like it or not, you have to admit, it's f^_^ing big in anime.

but i thought this thread was about what anime could the world do without. which, someone posted earlier, is pretty much every anime.

[Heero_Yuy84]

and as far as i know, Jesus never came all over his hand when he saw his comotose co-worker's titties, but that could be something in Apocolypse, i didn't read that book.

and that the head of Seele was the Wandering Jew that spat into Jesus's face.

either way, i think that as far as eva's originality goes, it had to be in some way original, or bring something very new to the table, or we wouldn't really be celebrating it has the huge anime it is. i don't care whether you like it or not, you have to admit, it's f^_^ing big in anime.

but i thought this thread was about what anime could the world do without. which, someone posted earlier, is pretty much every anime.

Re: the spoiler - You know, Mel Gibson wanted to put that in the Passion, but couldn't quite figure out just how to make it work. *ducks divine wrath*

That said, yeah, there is some originality to it, however, I was clarifying on the earlier claim it was the most original (yeah, I'm a bit of an anal English major like that... ...you think this is bad, you should see me get going on the use of the phrase '...of all time'.)

That said, yes, EVA has been indeed big. Personally, I see it as making for a double-edged sword however.

On the one hand, it's done wonders for the fandom, introducing many into it that normally wouldn't give a glance, as well as showing some groups anime isn't just for kids.

On the other hand, the popularity has also resulted in a near total market glut of EVA products (OK, nothing wrong with a healthy bit of merchandising...but Rei and Asuka bedsheets is a sign they might be going too far.)
To say nothing of the fact that, well, whenever a show is a hit, there's usually a swarm of imitators waiting to follow in its wake (and for the record, I don't mean RahXephon here, again, that was closer to Raideen then it was to EVA.) Hell, EVA was a big part of what showed anime companies the cottage industry that fanservice can become.

[Bulghod]

On the other hand, the popularity has also resulted in a near total market glut of EVA products (OK, nothing wrong with a healthy bit of merchandising...but Rei and Asuka bedsheets is a sign they might be going too far.)

or a NERV laptop. lol and i agree with ya completely there about the eva overmerchendising.
i don't have a point. just wanted to say that there was an Eva laptop.

[Evangelion Unit 01]

well to be specific and a total ________ about it, it's technically Judeo-christian, since most of the angel's designs were taked from the book of of Enoch, which would have been part of the old testament if it had been cannonized or whatever the term is. that and most of the symbols are from the old testament, the arcana or whatever from the Kabbalah, mostly the tree of life. the only real christian elements that can be found there is a reference to Jesus in Shinji, but i doubt that because i think it's more autobiographical for anno.

and as far as i know, Jesus never came all over his hand when he saw his comotose co-worker's titties, but that could be something in Apocolypse, i didn't read that book.

and that the head of Seele was the Wandering Jew that spat into Jesus's face.

either way, i think that as far as eva's originality goes, it had to be in some way original, or bring something very new to the table, or we wouldn't really be celebrating it has the huge anime it is. i don't care whether you like it or not, you have to admit, it's f^_^ing big in anime.

but i thought this thread was about what anime could the world do without. which, someone posted earlier, is pretty much every anime.

Well I have not read much of the OT, when I said that I ment that evangelion proabably ment something more to people who go to chruch every day. I don't, I don't even go to temple, and I thougth it also would proabably mean more for those who are christian, and even though they dont; go to church they still know something. That's why I said that, but maybe I was wrong. The onyl exposer I have to all this religious stuff is just with my bible as lit class, and that's it.

As for what those people said earlier I thought this thread was about an anime that we should take out fo the anime world because it is so awful Obviously this world could live on without anime, but as far as the aniem world is concerned I think this thread is talking about which ones we should get ride of.

And to also keep this on topic, since it seems to be going a little bit off, proabalbly and mostly my fault, I will name one more. the second season of steel angel kurumi. the first season was pretty good, but the second season sucked worse than anything. it had portential yet killed it from the start. And if you think it should stay for fan serves reasons, you know there is always good old hentai. What could the world do without it.

[Tono_Fyr]

I actually liked Lupin the Third, kinda, but if you defy the wrath of Neon Genesis Evangelion... I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND DESTROY YOU! And I think Inuyasha is actually pretty decent so far (considering how long it has been on the air... ) I never really liked DBZ, but it HAS been a gateway drug to better anime. And if you think Naruto or Ranma 1/2 suck... you can never bear the title OTAKU .

Naruto sucks. DBZ with ninjas, basically. And I found DBZ to be repetitive and borring.

InuYasha is the same thing over and over for six or seven seasons. Evangelion has a bit too much popularity, and is a bit overused. HOWEVER. It is still one of my favorite anime of all time.

Also... I'm probably more of an Otaku than you ever will be.

[Bulghod]

Naruto sucks. DBZ with ninjas, basically. And I found DBZ to be repetitive and borring.

InuYasha is the same thing over and over for six or seven seasons. Evangelion has a bit too much popularity, and is a bit overused. HOWEVER. It is still one of my favorite anime of all time.

Also... I'm probably more of an Otaku than you ever will be.

not to defend Naruto, i never watched it and have no opinion of it, but what's wrong with ninjas? ninjas are cool. better than pirates

true about InuYasha and Eva

is being an Otaku a good thing? or can people simply be anime fans?

[Spike_ Spiegel]

forgot one. Lupin the third. What crap!

I guess that means you have never seen Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliastro. It one of the best movies in my opinion. Watch it. You will think differently afterwards.

That show blows, and the movies but thats just me.