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Post by giga_d » Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:11 pm

I think Special effects count for something. Especially if a video has the type that most people cannot or do not know how to do - specifically the 3D ones.

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Post by OmniStrata » Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:29 pm

I'm telling you right now, as a special fx editor, that NO, the effects don't do a thing for your video.

It really is about execution. It's very possible and easy in fact to make a special fx laden video that sux arse.

I use special fx a lot cause well, I don't think my vids are that good without them. This new year resolution for me though is that I want to make a vid that MIGHT land in top 10% which won't need me to do more than a few flicker and fade-to-black scene special fx.

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Post by Pyle » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:51 pm

Warheart wrote:
CerebralAssamite wrote:
trythil wrote:Special effects don't mean a goddamn thing.

Seriously.
Thank god there is someone else who thinks this.
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There are alot good videos without any effects. And in my opinion it´s much more difficult to make a good video without effects becasue you need more skill and more feeling for the music and the flow of the video cause you can´t rely on some effects you´ve done with paint so everybody says "ohhh what a nice effect, I`ll give it an all 10 op". I use some effects and I´ll improve with that for sure, but effects are no deal. Get some of Rubyeye´s, SSJVegita0609´s or Bote´s mvs and be witness of the truth of no great effects but an awesome video.
I'm curious as to how you approached to this opinion, because in my experience, making effects takes around forty times the effort it does to make a good story. Combining the two seems to be even harder :P

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Post by L0ner » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:59 pm

i only make like special effects in action amv's drama amv's small effects maybe and only if it really is a good effect with the touch of the story behind it and mostly that is blending and with comedy dont do many effects just do it realy realy well timed and you got a good amv...

and i make my own effects mostly in photoshop and the motion effetcs + blurs in premiere with the help of keyframing..

i'm not really a master in effects just good at timing and that is the key in making good amv's in my opinion ^_^ put alot of effort in timing and you got like ¾ of ya amv done :D

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Post by SarahtheBoring » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:59 pm

Pyle wrote:
I'm curious as to how you approached to this opinion, because in my experience, making effects takes around forty times the effort it does to make a good story. Combining the two seems to be even harder :P
Just because it's hard to do doesn't mean that the finished product is automatically better.

Waterworld cost millions of dollars to make.

Think about it.

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Post by L0ner » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:01 pm

Pyle wrote:
Warheart wrote:
CerebralAssamite wrote:
trythil wrote:Special effects don't mean a goddamn thing.

Seriously.
Thank god there is someone else who thinks this.
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There are alot good videos without any effects. And in my opinion it´s much more difficult to make a good video without effects becasue you need more skill and more feeling for the music and the flow of the video cause you can´t rely on some effects you´ve done with paint so everybody says "ohhh what a nice effect, I`ll give it an all 10 op". I use some effects and I´ll improve with that for sure, but effects are no deal. Get some of Rubyeye´s, SSJVegita0609´s or Bote´s mvs and be witness of the truth of no great effects but an awesome video.
I'm curious as to how you approached to this opinion, because in my experience, making effects takes around forty times the effort it does to make a good story. Combining the two seems to be even harder :P
well in my op that is easy..

if you have this AWSOME ID that this anime should go with that song..go and make it and when it is completer try to add some nice effects to it..so add the effects later on when you have the amv completed with the story you wanted ^_^

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Post by SarahtheBoring » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:04 pm

Oh, and because I know people are going to miss the point and jump in with "Duh, well, there are good movies with big budgets too" - hello, stupid. Not the point.

Don't make me get out the chart again.

Videos are very individual. It depends on a lot of factors - what suits the music, what suits the visuals in the original series, the mood you're trying to create or the story you're trying to tell, and most importantly, how you, personally, in this situation, use all of these factors together. You cannot make across-the-board "rules" like "effects are good" or "lack of effects are better". There is no conflict between effects and story. There is no question about which is better. It's not that simple. It all depends.

On top of this, what's "better" or "worse" is a subjective question anyway. Too much of the org doesn't know what subjectivity is, IMO, but that's another story.

Anyway, the only ironclad rule is that there are no ironclad rules. Try something out. You may fall on your ass, but you'll try something else next time, and maybe it'll work.

Okay, I am done now.

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Post by L0ner » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:10 pm

okee you are right about that but still you can ocer do it sometimes.

when you just put to many diffirent effects in it that it becomes unclear and stuff..just to much of the good stuff in my eyes. okee blurs on everybeat is something else but like 10 diffirent effects (big effects) on 10 diffirent beats can be a little to much even when it looks good.

ah well it is good to make an amv with all your knowladge of your skills at effects. i know i made some but dont expect me to upload um hehe..there just experimental ^_^

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Post by AMVfreak » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:16 pm

You know Sarah, this reminds me of that wonderful diagram you made a while ago.
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Post by Pyle » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:18 pm

Hah, I bet I could make a Noir drama AMV to Powerman 5000 and still make it good.

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