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Re: STOP WHINING!!!!!

Post by quadir » Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:32 am

Qyot27 wrote:Yes, but what happens when you reach your full potential?
Yes! There is such a thing as creating the `best' that you can do. Infact, you will probably feel like not only is it the best thing you've ever done, but that it was far above your regular work. And for the rest of your life you will have to live knowing you will never do anything like it again.

I encourage you to try though, two hit wonders are awsome.

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Post by devilmaykickass » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:11 am

Pie Row Maniac wrote:Warning: If you enjoy AMVs, don't read this thread.
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Re: STOP WHINING!!!!!

Post by kitsunebeolnet » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:48 am

quadir wrote:
Qyot27 wrote:Yes, but what happens when you reach your full potential?
Yes! There is such a thing as creating the `best' that you can do. Infact, you will probably feel like not only is it the best thing you've ever done, but that it was far above your regular work.
My secret - Troll vids!

Really - After getting something 'right', crank out intentionally bad stuff to laugh at until you feel like 'getting serious' again. :D

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Re: STOP WHINING!!!!!

Post by Arigatomina » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:27 pm

Tono_Fyr wrote: /v\ajin Koji one rookie of the year one year and he didn't even like the video that won it for him. In my oppinion, that's the perfect example.
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Was that on this website? Koji was nominated for that, but it wasn't because of a single video - it was his entire collection that made him stand out as one of the aspiring new creators for 2003. Bt actually won that award. >.>

Not so perfect example? ^_^; You could use DW's 'Evolution' instead - he compains about it all the time now, even though it did very well(convention amv contests) and remains a highly popular video.
You should never be completely satisfied with your work, because if you just stay satisified, while you may get better, you might not ever reach your full potential.
If you're a First Grader and you write your first page in cursive, shouldn't you be satisfied that you've done as good as you can for your experience? That doesn't stop you from improving as your experience grows. You do what you know you can do and be happy that you did your best. Never being satisfied - even when you did the best you could at that time - leads to nothing but depression and eventually quitting altogether.

If you know what you can do, you can be satisfied with a video and then go on to do something far beyond it and be satisfied with that, too, because just like the first one, it's the best you could do at that time. People improve, and even when you look back at an old video and wince, you can still be satisfied that it was the best you could have done back then.
People who say "This AMV of mine sucks" say it because they know it's the truth, and I feel that this is what will drive them to improve. That's just my oppinion, anyways.
Not arguing with that at all - for some it may be true. I know people who win contests and turn around and cry that they suck so badly - because the reverse psychology keeps them pushing themselves to improve. Eventually they crack, but on the way there, they tend to get even better than they were to start with.

Me, I think most people who say "this video sucks" are warning away those who don't bother to check the creator's profile and see what his experience is before they start flaming the newb. I've put warnings on some of my worst vids - so people who need "this for it to be good" won't waste their time. It doesn't mean I don't like the video myself. The vid description is to warn or invite or educate the would-be viewers.

So yes, if you see "this vid sucks" and choose not to download it, that's probably for the best. You're the sort of person that creator knows won't like his video. Others will look at that description and see "I'm not good yet, so be gentle and helpfull please" and download it for entirely different reasons. The "this vid sucks" is a warning, it just depends on how you take it.

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Post by angelx03 » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:34 pm

This video sucks and I download it anyways. :roll:
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Re: STOP WHINING!!!!!

Post by HexagonParanoia » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:37 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:
Tono_Fyr wrote: /v\ajin Koji one rookie of the year one year and he didn't even like the video that won it for him. In my oppinion, that's the perfect example.
???
Was that on this website? Koji was nominated for that, but it wasn't because of a single video - it was his entire collection that made him stand out as one of the aspiring new creators for 2003. Bt actually won that award. >.>

Not so perfect example? ^_^; You could use DW's 'Evolution' instead - he compains about it all the time now, even though it did very well(convention amv contests) and remains a highly popular video.
You should never be completely satisfied with your work, because if you just stay satisified, while you may get better, you might not ever reach your full potential.
If you're a First Grader and you write your first page in cursive, shouldn't you be satisfied that you've done as good as you can for your experience? That doesn't stop you from improving as your experience grows. You do what you know you can do and be happy that you did your best. Never being satisfied - even when you did the best you could at that time - leads to nothing but depression and eventually quitting altogether.

If you know what you can do, you can be satisfied with a video and then go on to do something far beyond it and be satisfied with that, too, because just like the first one, it's the best you could do at that time. People improve, and even when you look back at an old video and wince, you can still be satisfied that it was the best you could have done back then.
People who say "This AMV of mine sucks" say it because they know it's the truth, and I feel that this is what will drive them to improve. That's just my oppinion, anyways.
Not arguing with that at all - for some it may be true. I know people who win contests and turn around and cry that they suck so badly - because the reverse psychology keeps them pushing themselves to improve. Eventually they crack, but on the way there, they tend to get even better than they were to start with.

Me, I think most people who say "this video sucks" are warning away those who don't bother to check the creator's profile and see what his experience is before they start flaming the newb. I've put warnings on some of my worst vids - so people who need "this for it to be good" won't waste their time. It doesn't mean I don't like the video myself. The vid description is to warn or invite or educate the would-be viewers.

So yes, if you see "this vid sucks" and choose not to download it, that's probably for the best. You're the sort of person that creator knows won't like his video. Others will look at that description and see "I'm not good yet, so be gentle and helpfull please" and download it for entirely different reasons. The "this vid sucks" is a warning, it just depends on how you take it.
You mean I'm the only one who downloads bad videos on purpose? :D
I either download it to see what went wrong or what could be done, but I still do not understand why people would say that the video sucks and not try to make it better before uploading it OR leave it until they believe they can make it better.

Humans are stupid. Period.

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Post by HexagonParanoia » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:38 pm

Sorry for the large post, I forgot to delete the excess parts....

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Post by Senta » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:46 pm

I'm surprised people still whine about Linkin Ball Z videos. Haven't we moved onto whining about Linkin Naruto Z videos yet? Get with the times people!
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Re: STOP WHINING!!!!!

Post by Arigatomina » Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:33 pm

PetitLove wrote:...I still do not understand why people would say that the video sucks and not try to make it better before uploading it OR leave it until they believe they can make it better.
How do you know how to make a video better if you don't ask or have someone tell you how? Are you born knowing how to make it better? And if you are created with the knowledge of how to make it better, would you have failed to do so in the beginning?

I can watch a video and know it isn't as good as 'this' or 'that' video, but I need experience to know WHY my video isn't as good. And even if I know why, that doesn't mean I know HOW to fix it. Check the profiles of the people who put "this sucks" in their descriptions - aside from a few self-depreciating people, they're beginners.

I'm sure if they COULD do better, they would have. That doesn't mean they should give up and stare at the newbish attempt until the knowledge of how to improve hits them like lightning from the sky (or a gift from God). Most people learn from doing, and improve from learning as they do. That "hold it till you can keep it from sucking" line is something only those with a gift (or private friends to help them) would say. Or maybe those who've never tried.

The rest of us learn as we go along. :?

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Re: STOP WHINING!!!!!

Post by HexagonParanoia » Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:57 pm

How do you know how to make a video better if you don't ask or have someone tell you how? Are you born knowing how to make it better? And if you are created with the knowledge of how to make it better, would you have failed to do so in the beginning?
Yes I am fully aware what your saying and I understand what your trying to prove, but it wouldn't hurt to have someone review it before its uploaded and i realize everyone fails at something lets face it no ones perfect, whether it be AMV's or anything else in life. These people are giving it a hard and steady attempt at making a video and i praise them for that, but realize some people don't even bother with advice given thus the swell of the bad videos to the ratio of good videos. Some things can be easily undone like video quality and such.
I can watch a video and know it isn't as good as 'this' or 'that' video, but I need experience to know WHY my video isn't as good. And even if I know why, that doesn't mean I know HOW to fix it. Check the profiles of the people who put "this sucks" in their descriptions - aside from a few self-depreciating people, they're beginners.
Yep, although people may know what is good or bad I highly doubt that anyone will learn all the things used by the creator of the video. It takes time something i highly agree with you on. You need the ability to grow through something that is well known, time. I still however stand with the fact that some videos shouldn't be posted, I'm sure there are hundreds of editors who have ideas but just cant get it done because they lack the expertise. Some people play with their first video before it will be released (Me), but then again i understand that its not always easy to get support from peers or watever you want to call AMV Creators. I was lucky to know someone who does know alot about AMVs. Thus i am thankful. And im sure that most editors dont mind a few questions here and there, hence the forums.
I'm sure if they COULD do better, they would have. That doesn't mean they should give up and stare at the newbish attempt until the knowledge of how to improve hits them like lightning from the sky (or a gift from God). Most people learn from doing, and improve from learning as they do. That "hold it till you can keep it from sucking" line is something only those with a gift (or private friends to help them) would say. Or maybe those who've never tried.
Hey for all its worth i havent bashed anyone for their videos, and hopefully never will. No matter what level they are created, for this is a community, and thus comes diversity. Whether everyone improves or has the ability to improve is quite dependant on their own will to do so. I can not stress enough, that some things are better left alone.

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