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Post by dwchang » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:09 pm

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Scintilla wrote:Didn't DW already point out that there's a good Athlon64 that can be had for less than most Prescotts? And I find it hard to believe that the motherboard and memory would be that much more expensive...
I'm not even talking about Prescotts >_<, I'm talking the price of an Athlon. And, yes, he did point that out. When I talk about price I mean extremes. The Athlon FX-53 is $740. That's much more that anything else I've seen (except for a P4 3.6 Ghz which is about the same amount). Then if you add the mobo that's about $120. I don't know what they're going to be selling the 64 bit OS for... And I never mentioned memory. If I decided to switch to an Athlon 64 I would just need the processor, the OS, and the new mobo to put it in. Everything else I have would plug right into the thing and run without a problem.
Yes, but if we're gonna go comparing "top tier," you gotta do the same on the other end. The person originally asked about performance and to comparing a $700 Athlon to a $300 P4 Northwood isn't exactly fair in a performance standpoint. You should be comparing it to something like the (now dead) P4 EE or something. Maybe even a bloted and expensive P4...I mean Xeon. ;)

And again as Scintilla said, you can get a reasonably priced Athlon-64 for the same (or less) than an equivalently performing P4. You're effectively paying nothing to get 64-bit capability and future computing. Seems like a good deal to me.

And yeah, 64-bit software is already out. If you wanna talk mainstream, 64-bit Windows is less than a year away. Probably even less than 6 months.
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Post by Brolly345 » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:22 pm

dwchang wrote:And yeah, 64-bit software is already out. If you wanna talk mainstream, 64-bit Windows is less than a year away. Probably even less than 6 months.
I'm curious then, show me where to get these applications. I want to see for myself. And, also, if 64 bit Windows is out where can I buy it? I have yet to see it on sale anywhere.

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Post by billy_wires » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:35 pm

Back to benchmarks...
When the pictures some people posted a few weeks back about their processorsarx (I can't spell, and frankly I don't care), they compared the AMD 64 something to the P4 3.4 something. The specific type really isn't important for my question, so ignore it. What I saw was the AMD only slightly outperforming the P4 (which was clocked almost 1.0 Ghz higher) in Dhrystone, but got killed by P4 in Whetstone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the Whetstone floating point equations? If so, wouldn't the ablilty to do floating point equations be a necessary part of many advanced programs? And if not, what the hell Whetstone represent (I'm not looking for "customer stupidity" here)? Oh, and here's my reference for this question.
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Post by RootHubController » Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:03 pm

I'd definitely go AMD. Solid and reliable. Prescotts are woefully underclocked- The article in Maximum PC clearly showed that it should have been clocked at 5GHz, so that it could take advantage of it's longer pipeline.

Additionally, AMD and Microsoft worked together in designing the 64 bit chjip, with an attention to NX. NX is a pretty powerful toy.

AMD > Intel.

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Post by dwchang » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:06 am

Brolly345 wrote:
dwchang wrote:And yeah, 64-bit software is already out. If you wanna talk mainstream, 64-bit Windows is less than a year away. Probably even less than 6 months.
I'm curious then, show me where to get these applications. I want to see for myself. And, also, if 64 bit Windows is out where can I buy it? I have yet to see it on sale anywhere.
Uhm....I bolded the lines appropriate. Windows 64 isn't out yet as I clearly stated.

As for 64-bit applications, I believe Kalium already pointed out an entire OS and environment.
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Post by Scintilla » Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:18 am

RootHubController wrote:I'd definitely go AMD. Solid and reliable. Prescotts are woefully underclocked- The article in Maximum PC clearly showed that it should have been clocked at 5GHz, so that it could take advantage of it's longer pipeline.
How expensive of a cooling solution would you need in order to be able to even <i>run</i> a Prescott at 5GHz without it, like, combusting?
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Post by Brolly345 » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:27 am

dwchang wrote:
Brolly345 wrote:
dwchang wrote:And yeah, 64-bit software is already out. If you wanna talk mainstream, 64-bit Windows is less than a year away. Probably even less than 6 months.
I'm curious then, show me where to get these applications. I want to see for myself. And, also, if 64 bit Windows is out where can I buy it? I have yet to see it on sale anywhere.
Uhm....I bolded the lines appropriate. Windows 64 isn't out yet as I clearly stated.

As for 64-bit applications, I believe Kalium already pointed out an entire OS and environment.
Opps, I misunderstood your previous post. And I missed Kalium's post. Reading comprehention is a good thing... :oops:

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Post by RootHubController » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:42 pm

Scintilla wrote:
RootHubController wrote:I'd definitely go AMD. Solid and reliable. Prescotts are woefully underclocked- The article in Maximum PC clearly showed that it should have been clocked at 5GHz, so that it could take advantage of it's longer pipeline.
How expensive of a cooling solution would you need in order to be able to even <i>run</i> a Prescott at 5GHz without it, like, combusting?
http://www.maximumoc.com/ln2.html
Nuff said. :P

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Post by billy_wires » Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:53 pm

billy_wires wrote:Back to benchmarks...
When the pictures some people posted a few weeks back about their processorsarx (I can't spell, and frankly I don't care), they compared the AMD 64 something to the P4 3.4 something. The specific type really isn't important for my question, so ignore it. What I saw was the AMD only slightly outperforming the P4 (which was clocked almost 1.0 Ghz higher) in Dhrystone, but got killed by P4 in Whetstone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the Whetstone floating point equations? If so, wouldn't the ablilty to do floating point equations be a necessary part of many advanced programs? And if not, what the hell Whetstone represent (I'm not looking for "customer stupidity" here)? Oh, and here's my reference for this question.
But what about my question????!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? L@@K here.
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