Great Japanese songs - Why are they so hard 2 download???

Gepetto · Post by **Gepetto** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:09 pm

not exact. What i meant was that the quality loss is worth it because its minimal.

For comparison, try exporting something in Ogg Vorbis. You'll be begging for someone to sing you the theme song from Teletubbies.

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:56 pm

gepetto wrote:There's another way. If you have the AMV for the song u like, there's a method for extracting the audio from that AMV. Download a program called dbPowerAMP Music Converter. Yes, Music Converter. It converts music (surprise, surprise) between the most common formats (like .cda, .mp3, .wav, .ogg and.wma). But u can also "convert" a copy of the AMV at hand into an mp3 file. U can't convert .AVI, but WAIT!!! There's a solution for that! Turn the video into wmv using windows movie maker (import the video, rebuild it and export from wmm) and then convert the new file into mp3. I do that all the time, especially with japanese songs, because apparently nipponic people hav a problem wqith p2p. my kazaa and emule are worthless for japanese music.

or you could just open the video in vdub or vdubmod and save the audio as wav.

Kajino Rei · Post by **Kajino Rei** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:11 pm

Ok...

Think about this:
How many people are going to have music in Japanese as opposed to more mainstream languages like English and Spanish?
The vast majority would be Japanese people, but also others that have discovered Jpop and Jrock.
Of this small group how many would use P2P programs? Not many.

When you think about it the percentage of finding music in Japanese, Chinese or even Hindu it's very small.
It’s as unlikely as finding extremely old music like from the 30's.
And even if you find someone, that person is probably far from you.
Yes distance does matter when downlading stuff.

Hope that answers some... 8)

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:37 pm

gepetto wrote:
AMVfreak wrote:You really dont want to do that unless you're begging for shit quality.
Actually, the quality turns out the same as the quality in the original AMV. Its only shit quality if the AMV has shit quality audio. If you want Shit quality have dbPowerAMP export to Ogg Vorbis. You'll never be able to sleep again.

gepetto wrote:For comparison, try exporting something in Ogg Vorbis. You'll be begging for someone to sing you the theme song from Teletubbies.

Please stop bashing Ogg Vorbis. The only reason it would sound worse than MP3 is if your source is MP3, which it shouldn't be (though in this case it is).

But in the method you're talking about, you end up converting from MP3 to WMA to MP3. There's no way that's not going to be a noticeable quality loss, unless maybe you find some way to export using lossless WMA.

Why don't you just feed the AMV to VDubMod and save the audio as a .WAV ("direct stream copy" mode)?

taeli · Post by **taeli** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:11 pm

Why convert to wav? The quality will be identical to the audio stream in the avi, but the filesize will be much bigger. The best way to get audio out of an avi (or mpg) is to just demux the compressed audio. You can do this in Virtual Dub Mod and going thru Streams -> Stream List, and clicking Demux. Most avi AMVs use mp3 audio, so you'll end up with the mp3 file straight from the video. No extra filesize, no loss in quality, no fuss. Easy ^_^

Gepetto's method is particularly bad because it converts mp3->wmv->mp3. This is two conversions, both of which will lose quality. It's not even as if it's any easier than the vdubmod method - there's far more steps! I'd recommend getting vdubmod Gep, you're both losing quality and wasting time.

If you're having trouble with Vorbis (ogg) audio, maybe try downloading this recent (1.1) release candidate. It contains some tuning work from the auToV vorbis codecs, which has further improved the quality-dividedby-size ratio. I believe it was already better than mp3, but in such an unprovable field there's gonna be no definite truth.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:25 pm

taeli wrote:Why convert to wav? The quality will be identical to the audio stream in the avi, but the filesize will be much bigger.

Not if you choose "Direct stream copy"; that's why I specified it.

But I didn't know about the Demux option. Then, I'm using VDubMod 1.4, which has an Audio menu instead of a Stream menu, and I've never tried demuxing anything before.

AMVfreak · Post by **AMVfreak** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:06 am

Why convert to wav? The quality will be identical to the audio stream in the avi, but the filesize will be much bigger. The best way to get audio out of an avi (or mpg) is to just demux the compressed audio. You can do this in Virtual Dub Mod and going thru Streams -> Stream List, and clicking Demux. Most avi AMVs use mp3 audio, so you'll end up with the mp3 file straight from the video. No extra filesize, no loss in quality, no fuss. Easy ^_^

Scintilla's suggestion would work more approriately because it wouldnt lose any quality (direct stream copy) and Video Editing works better using uncompressed audio files (wavs) rather than compressed audio files (mp3). Although it does take up much more space, it is rather easier using wav for video editing.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:18 am

AMVfreak wrote:Scintilla's suggestion would work more approriately because it wouldnt lose any quality (direct stream copy) and Video Editing works better using uncompressed audio files (wavs) rather than compressed audio files (mp3). Although it does take up much more space, it is rather easier using wav for video editing.

But it doesn't take up more space! That's what I just said in my last post. And it's not uncompressed either.

What it does is, it saves the compressed MP3 data into the .WAV container without touching it in any way. Right now I'm looking at the properties of a short .WAV I clipped out of a fansub of Azumanga Daioh (it's Yukari-sensei "singing" Happy Birthday), and it says:

Bit rate: 160kbps
Channels: 2 (stereo)
Audio sample rate: 48 kHz
Audio format: MPEG Layer-3

taeli · Post by **taeli** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:00 pm

Oh cool, I didn't know .wav worked as a container too.

AMVfreak · Post by **AMVfreak** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:09 am

Scintilla wrote:
AMVfreak wrote:Scintilla's suggestion would work more approriately because it wouldnt lose any quality (direct stream copy) and Video Editing works better using uncompressed audio files (wavs) rather than compressed audio files (mp3). Although it does take up much more space, it is rather easier using wav for video editing.
But it doesn't take up more space! That's what I just said in my last post. And it's not uncompressed either.

What it does is, it saves the compressed MP3 data into the .WAV container without touching it in any way. Right now I'm looking at the properties of a short .WAV I clipped out of a fansub of Azumanga Daioh (it's Yukari-sensei "singing" Happy Birthday), and it says:

Bit rate: 160kbps

Channels: 2 (stereo)
Audio sample rate: 48 kHz
Audio format: MPEG Layer-3

oops.