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Post by dwchang » Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:07 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:doesn't matter how it gets averaged if everyone is getting nothing but ones and tens.
Except that's not true and thus your point is invalid :-?

People may tend to score higher for vids they like, but ultimately it's still better than the previous system that only took into account the raw average and not how many opinions validated/agreed with said score.
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Post by Arigatomina » Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:43 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:the rating system is seriously flawed. :?
But there's no point complaining about it. Dw's right, they didn't want the review system to be accurate. It's not supposed to be the average of the scores given for each section of the video. It's supposed to be the average of the review count, or the popularity of those scores. No one uses the review system to look at things like capture or action sync - they use it to see which vids are more popular. It was meant to be a popularity contest, and that's what it is now - so finally, after years, it is just what they wanted. An inaccurate representation of the average of the scores given (those evil 'raw averages') but an entirely accurate representation of the popularity of those scores (by averaging how many reviews give the exact same score). And really, who cares what the actual quality of the video is if it has lots of reviews? If you want to get vids based on raw scores, you can just skim through your 'Opinions given' page. That's not what the top 10 is for. It's to show people which vids are the most watched and consistently liked, so new members will know which ones to review (thus keeping things just the way they are). For fluctuation, you have the star scale (though you can always sort it by 1000 to get the unmoving vids). For constant proven popular vids, you have to top 10.

And that's not even taking into account how low the new videos will 'scored' once they create a separate section for the 3 reviews or less videos (the 'new video' top 10). Imagine, right now videos with an average of 8 ops have their scores lowered by a point or more (compared to videos with 13 reviews of the exact same 'raw average' score) - the idea of that being done to new videos with 3 reviews is just cruel. But that's the way they want it, so that's the way it should be.

Accept it and don't complain. Complaints are invalid. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to the Org. You know the drill.

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Post by Voices_Of_Ryan » Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:59 am

Pie Row Maniac wrote:The day a perfect rating is made is the day I stop eating Cheetos.

Didnt you hear? They're stopping the production of cheeto's =o
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Post by billy_wires » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:51 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:I think the bigger question should be, when is that video going to be dethroned?
I'm wondering if it ever will. Givin the video has 658 ops as of 1:49 PM Central time, it has either one of two things:

1. Tons of fanboys (most likely), or
2. A few hardcore fans.

Because number 1. is more likely, I would assume that the second a video tops it, they will flood it with bad reviews. Also, the video itself has such fan following that there might be some degree of falsifying opinions to give a higher score. Now don't get me wrong, it's a great video. I just wish there was more room for something else to come forth and shine.
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Post by Kusoyaro » Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:02 pm

Liberi Fatali was #1 for a while, but mainly because there were only a handful of reviews, and I didn't have any hosting or it for a really long time :? Once it was downloadable, it fell in rank pretty quickly :lol:
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Post by Pie Row Maniac » Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:38 pm

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:
Pie Row Maniac wrote:The day a perfect rating is made is the day I stop eating Cheetos.

Didnt you hear? They're stopping the production of cheeto's =o
Bootleg cheese puffs. Until then, no perfect rating system for yoo.
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Post by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios] » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:14 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:
CaTaClYsM wrote:the rating system is seriously flawed. :?
And that's not even taking into account how low the new videos will 'scored' once they create a separate section for the 3 reviews or less videos (the 'new video' top 10). Imagine, right now videos with an average of 8 ops have their scores lowered by a point or more (compared to videos with 13 reviews of the exact same 'raw average' score) - the idea of that being done to new videos with 3 reviews is just cruel. But that's the way they want it, so that's the way it should be.
Except it shouldn;t be a problem with this, because videos that stay at the top like Euphoria will be gone from that list completely, since the idea is that a video will not STAY on this list for longer than 2 months. It is just for new videos, so the new "system" of rating them based on lowering tha average until more reviews are given, will only succeed in making the better Newer videos come up at top, and probably stay up there for 2 months if it is a realy good video, then will be moved to the all time top 10, and off that list, for the next good video to populate it. I personally think its better this way. It has the good points of the current top 10 (being more acurate), minus some of the bad points (in that it being static)
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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:15 am

But it's not even a GOOD popularity contest. The scring system is ambiguous and NOBODY knows how to use it correctly. The guidelines for using the scoring system are ambiguous, and the scoring system itself has a low ceiling.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:21 am

damnit posted too soon.

And what is the result? An AMV made with HK bootlegs getting 10s for video quality, despite horrible ghosting, and taking 1 spot on the top 10%.

If it's supposed to be a popularity contest why not rank it by favorites instead?
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by Arigatomina » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:55 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:If it's supposed to be a popularity contest why not rank it by favorites instead?
Good question. I know it's a popularity contest because AD (and DW - a supporter of the new top 10 scoring system) have said so in many past threads concerning the top 10 list and the vids that 'top' that list. According to them, it has always been just a popularity contest. So why this pretense at accuracy by having different sections to give 'scores' to? I have no idea why. They could always just lengthen the 'top favorite vid' list. Or do what Phade wanted to do with the star scale - have a pass/fail 'score' for reviews that can be counted to determine the spot on the 10 list. I'm sure even those people who don't know how to 'score' videos can decide for themselves if a vid passes or fails. It would be much more accurate if every reviewer were basing the 'score' on the same thing - 'liked' or 'didn't like'. Simple, consistent, and less of a mess with the numbers.

But you'd still have the high roof. People just tend to 'review' vids they like. And so long as it isn't mandatory (aka the failing in the star system), they won't be putting 'whatever' scores without thinking about it first. It would be just like the current list, only it would be based *entirely* on the 'reviewable' score instead of a 3rd.

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