New top 10% list (because old one is getting lame)

[gypsy]

Hi there.

I dont know of everybody else but I think the top10% list is not as great as it used to be.

The top 75% of the list has been the same for almost 1 year now and I'm looking for a way to find new music videos that's good and worrth mentioning.

To this a point I suggest to make a new top10% list.

There could be a "Top 10 classic" list. If a video is on a list for more than a certain period, say about 6 months, it can be removed from the top10% list and be placed here. This list can have it's own qualifications to keep the videos ranked.

There could even be a hgall of fame list that the videos could be moved to to keep the top10% list rotating.

If this happens then it'll make way for newer fresh videos to get seen on the list.

Personally I dont like going to the top10% and seeing the same videos in the same space over and over and over...

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Weekly star scale?

[gypsy]

Weekly star scale?

It's not the same... And that's only for videos that's on the .org servers.

I'd just like to see a "new" top 10% list.

[Arigatomina]

Weekly star scale?

This would be fine if the videos that got high reviews got high stars as well, but many don't. Reviews are scored by specific categories, and only some of the ones with a few thousand stars 'even out' to the point where the star scale and 10 list get to be about the same (if you comare the first 15 vids on the 10 list, all have a few thousand stars, and the scores become about the same on both star and 10 list). Besides that, the weekly star scale is for the stars given that week - it's not accumulative the way the 10 list is. We do have the option of filtering by stars to get the 'newer/older' vids on the star scale, but there's nothing similar for reviews. In fact, the top 10 is now geared to counting only videos with many reviews - anything with fewer has its score automatically lowered so it won't count. This guarantees only long-standing amvs will show up on the list unless you keep your eyes on the bottom or filter to underused categories.

To say that the top 10 is geared to only showing old videos wouldn't be a stretch. Maybe in the past it shifted as new videos came to the top and then made their way down as they got more reviews. But now a video must have many reviews to even show on the list. This is fine if it's a 'all time popular vids' list. But like you said, we do have weekly scales for the stars, and filtering methods to let you find the newer videos on that scale. Why is it strange that people would ask for a similar method to get newer videos on the top 10 list? Considering how much 'breakdown' there is in the review system, I'd put much more weight on reviews than I would on stars. And we already have that nice filtering so we can find videos that excell in certain categories (capture, audio, action, effects) - this makes the top 10 a much better place to look for 'good' videos than the 'anything goes' star scale. But as it is, the top 10 is stagnant.

A video must either be around for a long time or be a splash when it first comes out - otherwise it just won't have enough reviews to matter, and even if it gets high scores, it's going to be counted as crap because it doesn't have *enough* of those scores to figure into the average. This means that only very public new videos will make it onto the list. So anyone who has been using that list to find new 'upcoming' greats is left out to dry.

People keep asking about a 'new' list to feature videos with fewer reviews so the list will change reguarly as videos get more reviews and the spots shift. Why is that such a strange request? We *have* the 'constant' video lists - the 'most reviewed, most downloaded, most favorite listed' places for constant steady greats. And even with the old system, we had those 'steady greats' that stayed right where they were on the top 10 list. Now it's the same, only the shifting 'upcoming' vids are off the scale entirely so it *just* features those constant greats. That makes the top 10 list pointless for anyone who isn't a new member looking to find the 'classic' videos that everyone else has already reviewed and deemed worthy.

It is a stagnant list, and I think that's the point. But even if that is what you guys were aiming for, you can't be surprised that people would miss the old list with its shifting videos. It garnered a competitive atmosphere, a way for people to judge their videos against the ones that never move on the list. Now, it's just a blackboard to glance at if you ever wonder where this video stood against that one - both being videos that have already proven their places and aren't going anywhere.

I'd like to see an option for the 10 list like the one Phade gave us for the star scale - something to filter out those unmoving greats so we can see what they're standing over. The bottom half of that scale moves, and people like to see motion (amv makers, I think we know this). A filter so we can see the other videos, the moving competing videos, would be interesting. If nothing else, give a few extra pages the way the 'all time star scale' does - so we can watch the shifting currents beneath those blocks of ice.

[dwchang]

Hi there.

I dont know of everybody else but I think the top10% list is not as great as it used to be.

The top 75% of the list has been the same for almost 1 year now

Yeah, but doesn't it make more sense that the TOP videos are fairly consistent? I mean it's not "easy" to make a "top" video so in turn it makes sense that the list doesn't fluctuate that much.

I do see your point of it being more difficult to find newer videos, but the point of *that* list is to have the top vids "of all time" and I imagine Phade is happy with it the way it is.

As Ian has suggested, I think the weekly star scale is a decent way to find new vids. It's not perfect (as Arigatomyna has pointed out), but it's at least how I find newer vids that others find good. Check it out.

[Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]]

I've been asking for this for the longest time.

Stars don't work, because you HAVE to leave stars, some people just put anyold thing in the star thingy to get rid of the nag. I've seen videos with 3.x stars and streight 9.xs in review scores. Very good videos too. Take glory of love for example. it had a 3.8ish star at one point, putting it on like the 5th page for the all time star chart. who actually sifts that far down? I don't even bother with the star scale sharts anymore, I just get my new vids from the anouncement threads in the forums now.

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Well, it is entrely possible to have a "newcomers" page for the top 10% where you only see videos released in the last one or two months.

This page would have a lower op restriction (3 instead of 8 or whatever it is).

That's a possiblity.

Of course, it is more coding.... which is the hardest thing on the site to do and takes the longest, so it can't be high priority. There are broken things that need fixing first.

[DCT]

I like the idea of placing a new section to check out the newer amvs that are good.

The only concern would be, does this take away time to download something that is not so good that may need someones opinion (op exchange) not everyone here uses the forum that well.

The new section would be very helpful and even though coding will be needed its a very very good suggestion. I think that it needs to be further refined to make it as useful as possible.

I also like the Hall of Fame.

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Is two months not time enough to get opinions?

[Feria]

I like the one/two month idea, because it means you know which videos are good that have come out recently, not everyone announces their AMVs... Most people have seen all the old ones but would be interested to see what videos are good to download next and it WOULD encourage AMV makers to try harder to get their videos on the list. I don't think it would be right to replace the old list, but I do like the idea of this new list. I know it'd take alot of coding, but could be well worth it in the end.