Aluminum Studios returns

AMV_4000 · Post by **AMV_4000** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:16 pm

aluminumstudios wrote:Thanks.

Japanese class has killed my edit time. Pitt's program is really intense. It meets 5 days a week and a majority of it is participation. We have new kanji, vocab, grammar, and stuff every day and if I don't put in an hour or two the night before there is no way to fake it.

Last december I decided that I wanted to get back to it and do a video that encompased everything that I've always wanted to do and avoided the things I don't like. So when I had a week off around Xmas I went to visit my family, took my computer with me, and got to work. I'm hoping i can continue the momentum because I'm not ready to retire just yet.

sounds like someone had their S&K Flakes this morning!

Wonka · Post by **Wonka** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:18 pm

aluminumstudios wrote:I'm not ready to retire just yet.

Damn skippy

aluminumstudios · Post by **aluminumstudios** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:41 pm

AMV_4000 wrote: sounds like someone had their S&K Flakes this morning!

Yeah, I got tired of eating Cell Mix every morning

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:37 pm

No offense, sir, but if I may hazard a guess at the sarcasm, I'd say that maybe people are defensive because someone they respected has taken potshots at something they enjoy doing.

It's interesting that the "art form" is evolving, but I do wish that it didn't have to come at the cost of heaping scorn on AMVs. If it weren't for AMVs, you wouldn't be where you are today. You wouldn't have all these people waiting with bated breath for your new direction if it weren't for that. Calling them boring and lame - like a big brother telling his siblings that their playing is for babies, when he was doing the same thing a few years before - seems like biting the hand that fed you.

But that's all beside the point. Hope this Brave New World goes well, and I look forward to seeing what comes of it.

Fungie½ · Post by **Fungie½** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:39 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:No offense, sir, but if I may hazard a guess at the sarcasm, I'd say that maybe people are defensive because someone they respected has taken potshots at something they enjoy doing.

It's interesting that the "art form" is evolving, but I do wish that it didn't have to come at the cost of heaping scorn on AMVs. If it weren't for AMVs, you wouldn't be where you are today. You wouldn't have all these people waiting with bated breath for your new direction if it weren't for that. Calling them boring and lame - like a big brother telling his siblings that their playing is for babies, when he was doing the same thing a few years before - seems like biting the hand that fed you.

I'm totally gonna have to agree with you Sarah. It seems that a lot of the older generation has suddenly gotten very stubborn with others, and making fun of them really isn't going to get you anywhere. Don't make fun of people because they like your stuff. That's kinda stupid

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:47 pm

Yea, that's what I'd say. New generation or not... I still see folks coming in and just making vids without pretension. And that's how it was; and that's how it will be.

In technical terms though, I'm certainly looking forward, oh famous one. Your work is always appreciated.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:52 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:It's interesting that the "art form" is evolving, but I do wish that it didn't have to come at the cost of heaping scorn on AMVs. If it weren't for AMVs, you wouldn't be where you are today. You wouldn't have all these people waiting with bated breath for your new direction if it weren't for that. Calling them boring and lame - like a big brother telling his siblings that their playing is for babies, when he was doing the same thing a few years before - seems like biting the hand that fed you.

x 2

Was trying to think of a way to phrase it.

aluminumstudios · Post by **aluminumstudios** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:33 pm

I went back and went over what I wrote:

aluminumstudios wrote:As far as AMVs go I've gotten a little tired of the traditional AMV. I mean, how many times can you watch a show re-cut to someone's ideas on it? I want to bring the concept of fan-art back to AMVs (an idea that got lost when everyone with a computer started doing them.) Fan-artists of various kinds draw their own pictures, write their own stories, make their own costumes, and out skits all based on anime. It's more than just writing different words in the bubbles above manga characters' heads, and I want to try to make my videos more than just re-arranging scenes because I have an idea or even slamming two shows together in a compositor.

I don't consider it a put down at all and never intended that, although I could have been more articulate in what I was trying to say: When AMVs were harder to make, and fewer, they were more special. They were a novel way to relive a show or visit a character in 5 minutes. Once the tools and the knowledge became widespread and everyone had the ability to make them, they began to feel like less of a thing that was made by the hands of fans (my definition of "fan art") and more like things that were just being assembled in mass quantity following a three step method. The run-time of videos started to rival the shows they were being made from and often they can be the same scenes again and again. This has made AMVs started to feel like reproduction cel prints, which I don't like looking at as much as original production cels. People can do (note "CAN do" not just "do") a video easily with computers and guides and with limited personal involvement and creativity. In this way I feel the "fan art" aspect is leaking out of AMVs.

I tried to compare AMVs to other forms of fan-art, because artists who draw for example, are fewer than people who have the capacity to learn how to use software which is the only true pre-requisite to produce an AMV anymore.

My way of dealing with this is wanting to use various methods to create some original content in my videos and rely less on existing content. My way of wanting to grow is wanting to fabricate a larger percentage of my videos and use less stock footage and novel cross-over ideas. In this way I feel like I'm creating something and not just re-doing what is there ... I feel like I'm creating "fan-art."

Now I love anime and doing videos. I've given a ton to this community and received a ton back from it. My past videos have both contributed in AMVs growth and also contained some examples of things I don't like in AMV. I'm not placing myself on a pedestal or putting anyone else down. I'm trying to explain the direction I need to take my work in so I can still be satisfied with this hobby that I enjoy so much.

Nothing I say is exclusive either. There are some really amazing AMVs out there - both traditional and modern/composite/fancy; new and old. My favorites remain Duane Johnsons videos from years back. But now my interests are turning towards more original videos like ones from Nightowl, or Ian Robert's DDR track from this past year and his ArimaShinji-kun video, and many more by other creators. I love seeing videos that have original content based on an anime. That is creativity and fan-art to me now and what I'm trying to explain ... not what I'm trying to tell everyone they should do or have to do to live up to some level.

I don't have all of the answers and I am not free from helping to create problems. But I want to be creative and see creativity. If I didn't care about the AMV community and want to see people give it their all I wouldn't be here writing this right now.

I've barely spent any time here at the .org. I came here to try to contribute more after recently getting back into anime more.

Hopefully this helps clarify things. There's nothing to be read between the lines here, no intentional or hidden criticisms for people just starting out who can only do "basic" things, no elevation of myself or other creators above anyone else ...

I need to go to bed now.

Peace,

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:40 pm

I can see it now, the new version of the guide:

The history of all hitherto existing anime music videos is the history of class struggles.

Old school and new, elitists and plebeian, effects savvy and clean
video, Kusoyaro and Paizuri, in a word, oppressor and oppressed,
stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary re-constitution of videos at large, or in the common ruin of the music video contests.

In the earlier epochs of such contest, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of footage into various arrangements, a manifold gradation of storytelling. In ancient cons we have DBZ, Evangelion, Sailor Moon, El Hazard; in the evolved cons, Vash dancing, piano keys, star wipes, strobing flashes, Sumomo dancing, lipsyncing; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern amv creator society that has sprouted from the ruins
of old school society has not done away with class antagonisms. It
has but established new classes, new styles of editing,
new overused clips in place of the old ones. Our epoch, the
epoch of the new school, possesses, however, this distinctive
feature: it has simplified the class antagonisms: Society as a
whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps,
into two great classes, directly facing each other: Elitists
and Whiners.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:14 am

<b>BRILLIANT!</b>

The whiners have nothing to lose but their postage stamps... they have a contest circuit to win!

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