Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat! 1:1 New Vid!

Kegger007 · Post by **Kegger007** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:10 pm

Hey everyone, it's me again and I had a crazy idea to do this vid. Don't ask how I came up with the parody, I just decided to when listening to the soundtrack from Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. It's about King Vegeta and all the full blooded Saiyans! No half breeds at all! This is a very original concept I'm sure and I'll go 1:1 with anyone who wants to watch and review! It is my first time with Premiere, but you will not be disappointed!

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=19335

Katsumi_AMVs · Post by **Katsumi_AMVs** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:50 pm

Yo kegger!wanna exchange ops with me again?I upl a new video too,but don't expect too much originality ok?Cuz is with Golden boy,but funny I guess,I Dl your vid and now I gonna post your ops,here is the link for my vid >>>http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=19301

dbz_doomrider · Post by **dbz_doomrider** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:04 pm

Kegger....

Are you aware that the lyrics and scenes in that video had absolutely NOTHING to do with the lyrics of that song, or with eachother?

Thanks for wasting my dl time ^_^.

I'm that harsh.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 12:59 am

I'm not harsh! ^_~ And I've seen lots of amvs where the lyrics don't really fit, so I won't let that bother me. I'd review the vid - if only to see the saiyans set to that song. I'll download tonight, should be done by tomorrow evening or so. In return you can check this one:

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=19319

Kegger007 · Post by **Kegger007** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:43 am

I have watched both of your vids, and there are new reviews for Arigatomyna and Paulo! Presents for everyone! And a message for dbz_doomrider, I know this is an opinion board and you are allowed to have your opinion of the vid. I didn't create the vid with the intention of making the lyrics literal to the events of the vid, but rather an oxymoron of opposites. Obviously the saiyans aren't religious people, or inherently good people, but King Vegeta is like Jacob in that he is the leader of the Saiyan nation, as important to Saiyan culture as Jacob was to the flourishing of the Israelites. I also want to try new things with DBZ to get away from the normal Linkin Park + Action = AMV. Getting away from the norm and creating something new is the whole point of AMV making. The idea is to take something that is normal, and put an interesting twist on it. I tried to do that with this vid, but if you do not like it that is just your view of the AMV. I am now looking towards getting away from the bland, no plot action, to telling an interesting story or just making fun of something (Like Paulo in his Golden Boy vid, it's just a fun vid).

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:04 am

I thought it was a fun parody. I've a mind to do something similar with Evita and YYH, one of these days, so I'm pretty set on not taking things too literally. And Paulo's vid...well, we've had words. ^_~

I'm still set on the action (I don't like plain action, but it's good practice), so it was fun to watch something different.

dbz_doomrider · Post by **dbz_doomrider** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 12:32 pm

See, Kegger...it's great and all you wanted to make an oxymoron, and it's great you wanted to be original. But the clips didnt sync with the beats either, the lipsync was WAY off, and the clip had nothing to do with anything that 18 is speaking in. If all you wanted was to show Saiyans, then bravo, but ANYBODY could find clips and put them to music like that: It's timing, it's lyrical value, its some kind of thing that makes a video go WOW, THATS WHAT YOU WANT.

How long did this take you to make, in all honesty, I'm curious---then you'll see that you could have put more effort into it BY FAR, because the footage is all bootlegged/downloaded, the sound quality is meh, there is no lipsync as far as I'm concerned, and the concept is good, but nobody would get the concept if they knew nothing of the series, and for that matter, even if they did, like myself. The concept makes sense, but you didn't do a good job of implimenting it at all is what I'm saying--it just looks like you found random clips of full saiyans and placed them to music, paying no attention to what the music was actually doing beat wise, mood wise, lyrics wise, etc....

So, how do you back that up?

Kegger007 · Post by **Kegger007** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 12:57 pm

You're pretty pessimistic aren't you? If you don't like the video then that's fine, but as to a couple of points you made I have a reply. Quality, for me is not a big factor. If you wanted more effort then here is what it would take to make the big movie vid for you: Go out and shell out over $150 dollars on the DVDs, spend roughly $20 on the CD for the song, get a decent video editing program for roughly $100, and spend over 100 hours putting it all together. For something that is a small hobby of mine, that is pretty extreme, bordering on becoming an obsession. My life doesn't revolve around making AMVs, and spending my money on them doesn't give me a sense of accomplishment. If I'm not going to be entering these vids into a convention, and I am just taking the extra hour or so in my day to do something fun, then I'm not gonna spend it all on AMVs. The point of AMVs is for the creator to have fun in what they were making, not just the viewer. Maybe if this vid was going to be entered into a contest and you were giving a person strict advice about their vid, then your comments would be better. But, I am just doing this for FUN, mind you, and trying to come up with original concepts. I don't see anything in the word FUN about investing nearly $300 for just one AMV that is only two minutes long. So if that makes me a crappy AMV maker, then fine. But it must be especially fun for you, a person who takes his time to go through vids that were never intended to be super high quality blockbusters, and pretty much pick them apart knowing that the creator did not create the video with all the factors you look for in mind. So just consider that next time you review a vid of someone who made it just for fun. What might be your obsession is another person's small one hour a week hobby.

dbz_doomrider · Post by **dbz_doomrider** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:12 pm

The point of AMVs is for the creator to have fun in what they were making, not just the viewer. Maybe if this vid was going to be entered into a contest and you were giving a person strict advice about their vid, then your comments would be better. But, I am just doing this for FUN, mind you, and trying to come up with original concepts.

Ohhh....I see. But what if ONLY you had fun in what you were making, and the viewer didn't. If you noticed, only a very small fraction of my comments had to do with the qualities of the vid (ie sound and vid). MY MAJOR QUALMS were with everything else about the vid, not that. The other thing is, contrary to your belief, just because you place random clips to a song that's never been used, it does NOT make a video original. Hey, I have a ton of songs in my library that I could throw with clips...when an idea is done right, done well, done differently, with a different song or different theme than anybody could conjur up in normality: THEN it's an original piece. It has nothing to do, for me anyway, with the quantity of vids placed to a song, but the originality in quality (and NO I dont mean video and sound quality, I mean sync and concept stuff).

I am, by no means, obsessed. I am moreso, angry with people who make a video because they CAN....but as Phade so rightly says

"Why should you make an anime music video? Contrary to popular belief: creating an anime music video does not make you cool. This misunderstood belief is the cause of the majority of the crappy videos out there. What will make you cool is creating a video that is appreciated by your fellow creators and AMV fans. So, contribute a video to the world that represents the best of your abilities, is a fresh concept, and is a video that you believe will be appreciated by others."

You might want to take a look at Phade's Guide, in fact, just because you'll have more fun making music videos, when they actually look RIGHT.
http://animemusicvideos.org/guides/PhadeGuide/

So, those are my two sense, read it, and make sure you get the jist of what I'm saying here---.

Thanks

Ian

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:46 pm

Kegger007 wrote:You're pretty pessimistic aren't you? If you don't like the video then that's fine, but as to a couple of points you made I have a reply. Quality, for me is not a big factor. If you wanted more effort then here is what it would take to make the big movie vid for you: Go out and shell out over $150 dollars on the DVDs, spend roughly $20 on the CD for the song, get a decent video editing program for roughly $100, and spend over 100 hours putting it all together. For something that is a small hobby of mine, that is pretty extreme, bordering on becoming an obsession. My life doesn't revolve around making AMVs, and spending my money on them doesn't give me a sense of accomplishment.

I havent seen this video, but I'd just like to comment on this.

Yeah, you may not want to spend this much money and put this amount of hardwork into a video, but at the same time, don't expect us to like it or appreciate it if. My philosophy is that if you're not willing to put the time, energy and effort into it, then why would you expect the viewer to appreciate it at all? Given it is a hobby and if you had fun, that's fine, but again don't expect us to like it if you admit that you didn't put that much into it.

You say obsessed, but at the same time, we obsessed people also find this an enjoyable hobby (like yourself) and at the same time like creating things that are accurate to our visions in our heads. This requires time and effort (as mentioned). Almost all my videos have required over 100 hours and I enjoyed every minute of it. You say obsessed, but I had fun the entire time and am happy with the results.

What I'm getting at is you shouldn't blindly throw out works like obsessed. I understand that this hobby may not be that big for you and you have other hobbies (as do I), but a number of us take our editing a lot more seriously and put more work into it. For you to say that's obsessive is stupid. That's bashing somebody elses tastes/hobbies without any backing.

That's all I have to say...sorry to derail the topic.