AMV Review #17: Tseng808's Crank Trailer

[quadir]

The concept: free op the chosen amv, then video discussion in irc
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When: Every Monday, 20:30 EDT (8:30pm)
After: free-for-all video-related chat the rest of the week

This week's video:
Anthony Askew (Tseng808) - 2007 - Crank Trailer
Category: Trailer
Anime: Cowboy Bebop [Spoilers] Cowboy Bebop - The Movie [Spoilers]
Song: Crank - Trailer Audio

Bonus Video:
Alvin Chang (atchang) - 2001 - Happy Boys & Girls
Category: Dance
Anime: Various
Song: Aqua - Happy Boys & Girls

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[quadir]

IRC Participants: Fire_Starter (Fire_Starter1982 - Mike Skaggs), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), Kionon, NerdStrudel (Blain T), Orwell, quadir (Olivier Beaton)

20:26 <quadir> Thanks for all the submissions, we really appreciate them so please keep sending them in! This week's video is Tseng808's Crank Trailer.
20:26 <quadir> Video: (Tseng808) - 2007 - Crank Trailer
20:26 <quadir> Category: Trailer
20:26 <quadir> Anime: Cowboy Bebop [Spoilers] Cowboy Bebop - The Movie [Spoilers]
20:26 <quadir> Song: Crank - Trailer Audio
20:26 <quadir> Video Link in the topic, please watch and op it, discussion will start at 9pm EDT. Remember to stay for the bonus vid discussion!
20:26 <G_Q> Sounds interesting
20:26 <NerdStrudel> I think i saw this on announcements'
20:26 <NerdStrudel> been meaning to check it out
20:27 <NerdStrudel> An older trailer for the MANLIEST MOVIE IN ALL OF HISTORY
20:28 <ssgwnbtd> The Warriors?
20:28 <NerdStrudel> no.. Crank
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20:28 <NerdStrudel> although you bring up a good point with warriors I suppose
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20:53 <Fire_Starter> an hour to download 30mb.....someone kill me
20:54 <NerdStrudel> wait fire starter... Teo?
20:54 <Fire_Starter> oro?
20:54 <NerdStrudel> No
20:54 <NerdStrudel> Oro?
20:54 <NerdStrudel> Wtf is an Oro
20:59 <godix> Trailers are boring.
20:59 <Kionon> It didn't hold me, I'll agree.
20:59 <NerdStrudel> Usually they are yes
20:59 <Kionon> Review might have been higher had it been cleaner.
20:59 <NerdStrudel> and I watched the whole thing, but, eh
20:59 <Kionon> But not by much.
20:59 <NerdStrudel> It had good synch and stuff... But it just didn't feel.. Great
21:00 <Kionon> The synch was its only saving grace.
21:00 <godix> He did a good job of hitting all the sounds in the trailer. Too many people have sound of a gunfight while they're showing a couple making out or something like that. Not here, he matched em all.
21:00 <NerdStrudel> well that's kinda what makes a good trailer
21:00 <Kionon> It was well edited, the editor didn't know how to pre and post process worth shit.
21:00 <godix> And he interlaced the fucking footage.
21:00 <quadir> godix: he definitely hit all the sounds
21:00 * G_Q agrees with Kio and godix.
21:01 <quadir> I especially liked the wind in the shot through the window
21:01 <Kionon> Yeah I almost wish he hadn't included the effects if he wasn't going to set them to always deinterlace.
21:01 <NerdStrudel> I felt a lack in lip synch, He had a couple spots, But I elt it actually needed slightly more
21:01 <G_Q> Artistically, it's a nice trailer. Technically, the interlacing killed the video and the effects.
21:01 <Kionon> And if necessary, he could have exported those clips, used IVTC, and redumped them back in.
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21:01 <NerdStrudel> Yah I noticed interlacing
21:01 <G_Q> The PiP-slide effects really suffered.
21:02 <Kionon> I don't feel this was a case of haff-assed laziness though.
21:02 <NerdStrudel> Indeed not
21:02 <Kionon> I think this was pure ignorance.
21:02 <Kionon> He didn't know how to fix it.
21:02 <Kionon> If had, he would have taken the effort.
21:02 <quadir> G_Q: play it on your tv?
21:03 <G_Q> No, I mean the video.
21:03 <NerdStrudel> ..yah we kno
21:03 <NerdStrudel> what else would you mean?
21:03 <G_Q> Like at 0:12-0:13
21:03 <quadir> I didn't like the overlay at 0:22
21:03 <Kionon> So because I knew we were dealing with a potentially good but uneducated editor, I gave him some slack.
21:03 <G_Q> It's as if he used a still overlay from the clip directly instead of a screenshot BMP.
21:04 <quadir> or 0:14
21:04 <Kionon> I liked overlays.
21:04 <quadir> its after the fast forward
21:04 <Kionon> I didn't notice any issues except for the interlacing.
21:04 <quadir> like a sliding screenshot almost
21:04 <quadir> I liked the fast forward fine... just that weird frame
21:04 <NerdStrudel> yah
21:05 <G_Q> Kio: Well, in between 0:10 and 0:14, you can see some of the other problems when it's slowed down.
21:05 <NerdStrudel> the let's go back
21:05 <G_Q> I also noticed rainbowing.
21:05 <NerdStrudel> and he shows em goin quickly then shows one coming out
21:05 <NerdStrudel> that was shit
21:05 <Kionon> What pissed me off the most is obvious.
21:05 <Kionon> Mixed aspect ratios.
21:05 <NerdStrudel> Awww yes
21:05 <NerdStrudel> now that you mention it
21:06 <quadir> I think mixed fullscreen/bars would of been worse
21:06 <Kionon> Fokkin mixed ARs didn't even let me auto-correct with VLC.
21:06 <quadir> but yeah gotta crop that
21:06 <G_Q> Expected though, since one is a FS TV show and the other a WS movie.
21:06 <Kionon> And goddamn but I hate that shit.
21:06 <G_Q> I keep having the same issues between InuYasha TV shows and movies. :\
21:06 <Kionon> Kio haet improper ar.
21:06 <NerdStrudel> hmmm
21:07 <NerdStrudel> NS hate.. idk, alot of shit
21:07 <NerdStrudel> oh and btw
21:07 <NerdStrudel> to whoever said it
21:07 <G_Q> So, I could see where the AR problems arise.
21:07 <NerdStrudel> I noticed rainbowing as well
21:07 <Kionon> I still don't see the issues with 0:10-0:14
21:07 <NerdStrudel> neither do i
21:07 <quadir> Kionon: look at 0:22 too
21:07 <Kionon> Rainbowing I caught but knew a proper pre-processing job could have removed it.
21:07 <Kionon> sddrainbow() ftw
21:08 <G_Q> Look at 0:13 slowed down.
21:08 <Kionon> So I didn't feel the need to mention it specifically.
21:08 <G_Q> You'll notice both jaggies and rainbowing in the same frames.
21:08 <Kionon> Oh, well, yeah.
21:08 <Fire_Starter> entertaining...which is whats important
21:08 <G_Q> And I mean, very obvious aliasing.
21:08 <Kionon> But same thing.
21:08 <Fire_Starter> but yeah..the interlacing is a bit....ugly
21:08 <Kionon> I thought you meant new stuff I hadn't already mentioned.
21:09 <NerdStrudel> God damn interlacing -_-
21:09 <quadir> "the unidentified man is making his last stand" I thought really summed up what most people would think of spike if you were a bystandard
21:09 <NerdStrudel> RABBLE RABBLE
21:09 <Kionon> I mean any time you zoom in premiere you're going to get some of that shit.
21:09 <G_Q> It's just odd because there isn't that much aliasing elsewhere, yet it tended to pop up here and there.
21:09 <Kionon> Even freeze-framing.
21:09 <NerdStrudel> Quadir: Indeed
21:09 <Kionon> I wish I could have knocked it out of Amore, but I didn't have a choice.
21:09 <NerdStrudel> I thought that went very well
21:09 <Fire_Starter> the editing was pretty solid, imo
21:09 <G_Q> Kio: As I said, he apparently froze the clip and didn't use a BMP.
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21:10 <quadir> having seen crank, I wouldn't think of bebop first thing
21:10 <quadir> but it worked flawlessly
21:10 <G_Q> That will always come out looking like dreck.
21:10 <orwell> bah
21:10 <NerdStrudel> Yes Teo, We know the editing was solid, we already said that
21:10 <G_Q> <--- personal experience.
21:10 <orwell> I keep getting disconnected
21:10 <orwell> stupid power cable
21:10 <Kionon> The best way, btw, to avoid that? Is to copy the individual fram and repeat it.
21:10 <Kionon> It looks batural.
21:10 <Fire_Starter> who the frak is teo?
21:10 <Kionon> natural too.
21:10 <NerdStrudel> Idk, but i'm calling you that now Fire_Starter
21:10 <quadir> even though spike is all laid back and cool, he made the "if you stop you die" work without just showing random cuts of him fighting
21:11 <G_Q> quadir: That's what I did credited him for, as well.
21:11 <G_Q> I've seen a ton of CB AMVs, and this one still stood out.
21:11 <Kionon> I agreed with your comment. It was crank animated.
21:11 <Fire_Starter> would have liked to see some sharpening done on a few of the clips, but the source isn't all that flawless to begin with
21:11 <Kionon> And that's why I gave him major sync and effort points.
21:11 <Kionon> (I also loved crank)
21:11 <quadir> have we all seen it then?
21:12 <Kionon> I think the vid did it justice, editing wise.
21:12 <Kionon> Just not quaity wise.
21:12 <NerdStrudel> x2
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21:12 <orwell> try this again
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21:12 <quadir> the shot he choose right after the "its cutting off your adrenaline" is golden at 0:22
21:12 <Fire_Starter> ive not seen crank, so i cant comment on how well it fits the movie, but it could easily convince the uninitiated that crank was an anime
21:12 <quadir> spike's expression in that shot
21:12 <quadir> you can just feel his veins popping out
21:13 <quadir> the perfect "Screw you world"
21:13 <orwell> ah
21:13 <orwell> I see
21:13 <NerdStrudel> Indeed perfect scene
21:13 <orwell> now if I could just op it
21:14 <quadir> the only scene I thought was meh was the tripple gun loading
21:14 <godix> orwell: Your internet connection sucks.
21:14 <NerdStrudel> I personally didn't like the choice for
21:14 <G_Q> Many of the scenes in this vid were spot-on.
21:14 <quadir> it's popular to repeat gun loadings, but I just wish he could of done something else there
21:14 <NerdStrudel> "juice me, CLEAR"
21:14 <orwell> I missed that, thanks for informing me what the problem is
21:14 <NerdStrudel> I didn't liek how he did that
21:14 <G_Q> All of the "girl" clips with Julia are very nice.
21:14 <godix> orwell: Quite welcome. Always glad to help.
21:14 <quadir> NerdStrudel: yeah... not a lot of choise for that sound effect though
21:15 <NerdStrudel> Yah
21:15 <quadir> NerdStrudel: also tons of amv's use part of that scene
21:15 <orwell> they've got a backhoe and two yards in pieces
21:15 <quadir> G_Q: she seems to actually have a personallity
21:15 <NerdStrudel> On the cigarette burning. Where the cinders are... Is that rainbowing or did he add that?
21:15 <godix> orwell: Power company?
21:15 <quadir> G_Q: whereas in cb I always felt the whole thing with her was really just onesided story from spike
21:16 <quadir> NerdStrudel: I actually liked the cinders thing on the cig
21:16 <quadir> so whatever it was, it was good
21:16 <NerdStrudel> Well so Did i, Nice effect I was just wondering
21:16 <quadir> like a freezeframe where they are still glowing
21:16 <NerdStrudel> I personally really like the part at
21:16 <NerdStrudel> "You're SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD"
21:16 <NerdStrudel> and it slowly yet quickly pans up on spike about to smoke
21:17 <NerdStrudel> that part kicks ass for some reason
21:17 <G_Q> quadir: And that's why the whole interlacing with the effects was just so odd.
21:17 <G_Q> In most of the other effects, none of that really shows up.
21:17 <G_Q> And they are really, really good.
21:17 <quadir> could it be the footage?
21:17 <orwell> well
21:17 <quadir> ie what he used tv vs movie
21:18 <Kionon> Honestly, the only thing that really, honestly, absolutely destroyed it for me?
21:18 <Kionon> Audio.
21:18 <orwell> my whole area is ancient, they put cables over a decade before the first house was built
21:18 <Kionon> I can't listen to it.
21:18 <orwell> and that was 1950 when the houses were put up
21:18 <quadir> Kionon: ugh when the music beats really kick in at 0:44 my speakers cried
21:18 <NerdStrudel> I noticed the audio was sorta shitty as well when I listened to it more then ojce
21:18 <Kionon> I was wearing my headphones.
21:18 <quadir> EW
21:18 <Kionon> My ears wanted to burst.
21:18 <quadir> think it's his post process?
21:18 <Kionon> I do.
21:19 <NerdStrudel> I Think he sux at life -_-
21:19 <quadir> or a shitty low quality .mov trailer he extracted from?
21:19 <NerdStrudel> Possibly
21:19 <quadir> remember there's no dvd/cd of this shit
21:19 <quadir> unless the trailer is on the movie dvd
21:19 <Kionon> I know.
21:19 <NerdStrudel> Which is probably is
21:19 <Kionon> But he could have lowered the levels or messed with the audio.
21:19 <Kionon> I said so.
21:19 <quadir> hm
21:19 <quadir> nod
21:19 <Kionon> I know he started out with something less than idea.
21:19 <Kionon> And I said so.
21:20 <orwell> Eh, the audio quality isn't great, but I didn't think it was bad enough to affect anything, and really, my only nitpick in this video is the
poor quality, because the effects look like they could just be shitty vide quality
21:20 <quadir> NerdStrudel: the "juice me" sortof tied into all the other inexplicable plain shots
21:20 <NerdStrudel> I suppose
21:20 <quadir> since he uses it a few times to match stuff up
21:21 <orwell> You have a point quadir, but, it's also an action trailer, I'm really not expecting too much
21:21 <orwell> though
21:21 <orwell> didn't the amusement park have eletric shots?
21:21 <Kionon> I could have fucked with the video.
21:21 <Kionon> I don't think I can fuck with recompressed as shit audio
21:22 * Fire_Starter watches again and pays more attention to the audio
21:22 <Kionon> Even then, I shouldn't have to do that much work to make your video acceptable to me.
21:22 <orwell> is the audio wav or mp3? I'd check, but the org haets me
21:22 <Kionon> I think it's PCM.
21:23 <orwell> hmmm
21:23 <Fire_Starter> mp3, says gspot
21:23 <Kionon> Righto.
21:23 <Kionon> I was thinking of something ese.
21:23 <Kionon> And I bet it was AAC.
21:23 <Fire_Starter> it does sound a bit....hollow
21:23 <Kionon> Or some other apple format.
21:24 <NerdStrudel> It sounds staticy is what it soudns
21:24 <Fire_Starter> almost as if it was recorded from the trailer instead of ripped
21:24 <Kionon> It sounds like the levels are spiking is what it sounds like.
21:24 <Fire_Starter> that too
21:24 <Kionon> The audio is flat and spiked
21:24 <Fire_Starter> spiking really bad at that
21:24 <G_Q> VLC says "mpga"
21:24 <Kionon> When it spikes it loses all definition between notes.
21:24 <G_Q> 44100 Hz at 128kb/s
21:24 <NerdStrudel> The discussion of this vid has gone on for a while.. An hour
21:24 <Kionon> It's a bunch of audio mud.
21:25 <NerdStrudel> half hour*
21:25 <G_Q> 2-channel audio
21:25 * Fire_Starter loads the audio ino audition
21:25 <NerdStrudel> Are we ever gonna get to bonus vid?
21:25 <Fire_Starter> *into
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21:25 <Kionon> That depends, are we done talking about this vid yet?
21:26 <Kionon> I've covered concept, sync, effort, video, audio.
21:26 <Fire_Starter> levels are good for the most part, meaning he ripped/recorded them WAY too hot, then backed them down
21:28 <NerdStrudel> <_<
21:28 <NerdStrudel> >_>
21:28 <NerdStrudel> yo quad I think we're ready for bonus
21:28 <Kionon> Okay, final comments then? Unless someone thinks there's an aspect we missed?
21:28 <NerdStrudel> oh
21:29 <NerdStrudel> ok final forgot
21:29 <NerdStrudel> It was very well synched, Just bad Quality that could have been easily avoided
21:29 <NerdStrudel> interlacing and the such
21:30 <G_Q> Good video, artistically, and very original.
21:31 <G_Q> Technically, it could have been cleaned up with a bit of polish, but I've seen worse.
21:31 <NerdStrudel> well.. As original as an action trailer is
21:31 <G_Q> It's one I'll see again.
21:31 <NerdStrudel> I mean bebop with it
21:31 <quadir> I liked it a lot, needs technical work, but otherwise really polished editing
21:31 <godix> Ok. I'm back. Are we still babbling about the boring trailer or have we moved on to a boring bonus vid?
21:32 <NerdStrudel> quad do you actually have the log turned on this time?
21:32 <Kionon> I liked the concept and the execution within the editing. I was sorely disappointed with the visual and aural quality of the video. It was
painful to review. I will keep it if there is a remaster.
21:32 <NerdStrudel> Final thoughts Godix
21:34 <godix> Trailers suck.

[quadir]

Just wanted to point out that we're looking for new blood to join us in these discussions, so if you haven't been, why not come next week? We can use as many as show up, and don't worry about agreeing with godix or whatever, anyone is welcome with any opinion.

[godix]

Just wanted to point out that we're looking for new blood to join us in these discussions, so if you haven't been, why not come next week? We can use as many as show up, and don't worry about agreeing with godix or whatever, anyone is welcome with any opinion.

Thanks. My ego needed that.

[NS]

Godix may be threatening but really. it only hurts for a little while.

[LinkinBallZ]

he always leaves a card for a good doctor, so if you have it in you to make it to the phone you may live ^_^

Love and waffles
t3h 93ng10n 0f D00|\/|

[Kionon]

he always leaves a card for a good doctor, so if you have it in you to make it to the phone you may live ^_^

Love and waffles
t3h 93ng10n 0f D00|\/|

Mmmmm, delicious copypasta.

[requiett]

I won't argue with the atrocious quality. I'm not a fucking champion of video quality by any means. On his behalf, I will note that this was practically an overnight project.

[Autraya]

Just wanted to point out that we're looking for new blood to join us in these discussions, so if you haven't been, why not come next week? We can use as many as show up, and don't worry about agreeing with godix or whatever, anyone is welcome with any opinion.

But hez soo scawy T_T

uh actually the time is most inconvenient for us living Down Under
hence I'm never there... I work, sleep on ocassion and have a life, imagine that

[Tseng808]

Just like to say thanks for choosing my video
Your comments all play a big part in how i go about doing my future videos, and the most important lesson of all here is to work on mjy video quality.
As Requiett said this is an over night project no exxaggerration if it werent for blowing money on Poker i would have finished this in like a day, where as it took closer to 4 thanks to betting away my nuts on a pair of 2s.

thanks again