AMV Review #15: tu tu's Life After You

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The concept: free op the chosen amv, then video discussion in irc
Where: #amv-review irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 20:30 EDT (8:30pm)
After: free-for-all video-related chat the rest of the week

This week's video:
(tu tu) - 2007 - Life After You
Category: Romance
Anime: Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Song: Brie Larson - Life After You

Bonus Video:
Kevin Caldwell (Kevin Caldwell (proxy)) - 1997 - Beautiful Life
Category: Comedy
Anime: Golden Boy
Song: Ace Of Base - Beautiful Life

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2007 June 014-18, 013-11, 012-04, May 011-28, 010-21, 009-14, 008-07
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IRC Participants: badmartialarts (Raymond Rabke), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), Kionon, Malificus (David Cannon), Minion, Orwell, Otohiko, Pankyy, quadir (Olivier Beaton), teya

20:30 <quadir> Video: (tu tu) - 2007 - Life After You
20:30 <quadir> Category: Drama
20:30 <quadir> Anime: Girl Who Leapt Through Time
20:30 <quadir> Song: Brie.Larson - Life After You
20:30 <Pankyy> mmmmmmm
20:30 <Minion> hmm. only see brad's vid to this anime /gets
20:32 <orwell> this one sounds like a winner
20:32 <godix> quadir: Was the other option a drama?
20:32 <Minion> don't jump to conclusions thar
20:32 <quadir> godix: yes
20:33 <godix> damn. There was no correct choice it appears.
20:33 <orwell> I need to make videos faster just to save the review
20:33 <orwell> or just make them, either way
20:33 <quadir> this week was a bit meh
20:33 <Otohiko> I'm told this is a good video however
20:33 <quadir> we took something from the past week :(
20:34 <quadir> that we thought stood out from that list
20:36 <quadir> if you notice fall child around poke him, he asked last week if he was around to be poked
20:38 -!- G_Q has joined #amv-review
20:38 <Otohiko> people was right, that's a really good one :o
20:46 <Pankyy> what's with the hour frame at 0:38, it's on purpose?
20:46 <Pankyy> and with the 5000km/h at 40-42
20:47 <Pankyy> 0.42-43 i mean
20:54 -!- Kionon has joined #amv-review
20:54 <Pankyy> the review of the amv started/finished ? o.o
20:54 <Otohiko> started
20:54 <Kionon> This video was awesome.
20:54 <Minion> Pankyy: ya
20:54 <Malificus> Seriously
20:54 <Otohiko> Kio: you were the one that suggested it, weren't you
20:54 <Kionon> Minion: I has more. :3
20:55 <Otohiko> I finally saw it
20:55 <Minion> dewit
20:55 <Kionon> I was, yeah.
20:55 <Otohiko> it totally is :-P
20:55 <quadir> Otohiko: I submitted it :(
20:55 * G_Q agrees.
20:55 <Kionon> Boo.
20:55 <Kionon> I thought I did.
20:55 <Kionon> Maybe I just talked about it.
20:56 <teya> hmmm
20:56 <Kionon> Well. I like this one better than Brad's vid. Does this make me a bad person?
20:56 <teya> i'd like to ask.. is it just my comp, or is the vid jittery?
20:56 <Otohiko> Kio: I do too, actually
20:56 <Kionon> Vid is somewhat jittery. Quality is subpar for filesize.
20:56 <Otohiko> I still like shaister's video best, but this one's really nice
20:57 <Pankyy> why did he/she speed up all the things up?
20:57 <quadir> teya: try wmp w/ jittery vids
20:57 <Kionon> For a first vid, it's fukkin awesome.
20:57 <Minion> so this one time i flushed some skittles down the toilet. saw the entire daytona 500 in 8 seconds
20:57 <Otohiko> yea, that's what I was wondering about
20:57 <Kionon> I mean, really, really fukkin awesome.
20:57 <Otohiko> is it really first vid?
20:57 <Otohiko> cause if it is, daaamn
20:57 <Kionon> I think so.
20:57 <Otohiko> yea, of course we don't know for sure
20:57 <Otohiko> like uh
20:57 <orwell> Oto, which one was Shai's video?
20:57 <Otohiko> some people thought Whisper of the Beast was a first vid >__>
20:57 <badmartialarts> The first 51 seconds look great....that's all that I have downloaded
20:57 <Minion> Otohiko: was just about to mentiont hat
20:57 <Otohiko> orwell: the peach cobbler
20:58 <orwell> ah, right right
20:58 <Minion> mention that*
20:58 <Otohiko> the one to this anime, obviously
20:58 <Kionon> Life After You felt right to me.
20:58 <Otohiko> although his Penis video is also win
20:58 <Kionon> That's why I think I loved it. The sync wasn't perfect, the lyrics didn't always match, but it *felt* right the whole way through.
20:58 <Otohiko> I'm gonna compress the audio on this one myself, otherwise it's keep!
20:58 <Otohiko> uh
20:58 <Otohiko> are we in discussion mode yet?
20:59 <Kionon> It's 9:00 by my clock.
20:59 <Minion> not rly
20:59 <Pankyy> ahh, i wanted to ask sthing about this anime
20:59 <Pankyy> why does the character always jump?
20:59 <badmartialarts> didn't look jittery to me, but it did look like they sped up scenes and let their editing program interpolate some frames for them
20:59 <Otohiko> but someone's gotta poke tu-tu to release a better-quality version
20:59 <Pankyy> wtf is wrong with her?
20:59 <Otohiko> pankyy: it means she's got lots of energy, or something
20:59 <Otohiko> like, you know
20:59 <badmartialarts> she is the girl who jumps through time
20:59 <Minion> Pankyy: she saw a cornwiggle vid
20:59 <godix> The video quality looks like crap. ESPECIALLY compared to the other two videos I know of using this anime.
20:59 <Otohiko> she is a japanese schoolgirl
20:59 <badmartialarts> like...the title
20:59 <Pankyy> also..
21:00 <Minion> wanted to end it all
21:00 <Otohiko> video quality isn't 'crap', but...
21:00 <Otohiko> definitely a nasty oversight
21:00 <Pankyy> why near at 2:37 where contrast IS SUPER HIGH the quality messes SO MUCH?
21:00 <Otohiko> :/
21:00 <Minion> i guess we just go ahead and talk now, eh?
21:00 <Kionon> I still think this vid is superior.
21:00 <Kionon> Because of FEELING.
21:00 <godix> The video quality is perfectly accept. For a video made in 2003. Which this wasn't.
21:01 <quadir> godix: well, to be fair the vid quality is far above average amv vid quality
21:01 <godix> er, perfectly acceptable
21:01 <Minion> x2 on the quality. both audio and the capture. a whole bunch of this was just shit to fill space too.
21:01 <Minion> tell me - what the fuck does floating around have to do with heartbreak? nothing.
21:01 <quadir> Minion: I agree the time digital world stuff looked really fillter to me
21:01 <Minion> or rather - moving on from it
21:01 <Kionon> fucking windows stop whining
21:01 <godix> quadir: compression artifacts all over the place, frame blending, and it was way WAY to large for it's quality. Although part of the size issue is the audio.
21:01 <badmartialarts> I think the average amv quality is held down a lot by boochsack
21:02 <Otohiko> Minion: well, filler is inevitable in a lot of cases
21:02 <godix> Has anyone seen this anime?
21:02 <orwell> yes
21:02 <Otohiko> orwell has
21:02 <Otohiko> oh there he is
21:02 <Minion> moving onto a positive point - the video was mostly good. excluding all of that filler shit.
21:02 <Pankyy> if you know how to encode your video, quality in youtube nearly messes
21:02 <quadir> Malificus: what did you think?
21:02 <Otohiko> well, as far as filler though, is it really fair to say that?
21:02 <Otohiko> I mean...
21:02 <Pankyy> the best combination is mp4-h264
21:02 <Otohiko> who of us hasn't edited a video where filler is inevitable
21:03 <Otohiko> I mean hell
21:03 <godix> Ok. Check me on this. After watching this video I'm getting the impression that romance was NOT a major theme of the anime and the editor had to use tons of filler because of that. Am I right or did the editor just fuck up?
21:03 <Kionon> I can overlook all of the issues with quality, video, audio, sync, because it really did seem to flow for me.
21:03 <teya> i sorta got the link between anime and music, but it stopped there
21:03 <Otohiko> Kio: x2
21:03 <orwell> There is a hint of romance, but yeah, you have to really drag it out
21:03 <Minion> and there was alot fo filler shit that didn't SEEM like filler shit. she doens't have to peak over her shoulder to see that dude every 3 seconds. you'd think his hairy balls were hanging out from how much she stared
21:03 <teya> otherwise... i don't get this vid
21:03 <Otohiko> actually, I should say
21:03 <quadir> Kionon: flow is the word i'd use too
21:03 <Minion> but ya - i liked the vid mostly. good stuff
21:03 <Kionon> I have never seen this anime, but I think the story was told appropriately
21:03 <Otohiko> maybe not THE story, but A story
21:03 <Otohiko> and that's a plus
21:03 <Minion> better than brad's nah. but still alright
21:04 <Kionon> By the, I mean the one story chosen by the editor to tell.
21:04 <Minion> better than brad's? nah. *
21:04 <Otohiko> as far as comparison's to brad though, maybe not totally fair?
21:04 <godix> The editing was decent. I'll give it that much. And for using a lot of filler the basic idea still came out which I guess is good.
21:04 <Kionon> I didn't say better.
21:04 <Kionon> I said I liked it more than.
21:04 <Minion> sync was nice.
21:04 <Otohiko> Kio: x2 again
21:04 <Kionon> Technically, brad's is much much better.
21:04 <Kionon> No one can deny that.
21:04 <Malificus> It was more enjoyable than anything I've seen in a week or two
21:04 <Otohiko> I didn't get into Brad's very well either musically or compositionally
21:04 <Kionon> But this had more heart.
21:04 <Otohiko> I did into this one
21:04 <Otohiko> but uh
21:05 <quadir> Malificus: considering the last two weeks have been pretty bleak, I agree
21:05 <Minion> moar heart?
21:05 <Otohiko> why must we bitch about brad?
21:05 <Otohiko> haha
21:05 <Otohiko> poor brad
21:05 <Malificus> lol
21:05 <Pankyy> ok, i picked lyrics ( i can't understand them by hearing ). The song is practically contradictory :P
21:05 <orwell> The only one with this anime I've mildly liked is peach cobbler, the rest musically have just completely turned me off
21:05 <Otohiko> cause if I have to admit, brad's video would've had a bunch of 10s in the score from me
21:05 <Otohiko> this one couldn't
21:05 <Otohiko> and I find it to be a bit of a shame actually
21:05 <Otohiko> cause it screws up a bunch of things that were totally avoidable
21:05 <godix> I liked it enough that I don't feel the urge to curse out quadir for making me see it. But this is getting deleted the moment this chat is done and if anyone asked me in a week I probably won't remember a thing about it.
21:05 <Kionon> It's inevitable. I mean Tori got picked on because of Waking Hour, Freefall, Lost Ones, and Broken Hearts.
21:06 <Kionon> So obviously Life After You has to contend with Brad and Sheister's vids.
21:06 <Malificus> Oto: Same here, I liked this one alot, so the problems are all the more a disappointment
21:06 <godix> orwell: I'll agree. I actually decided to keep Peach Cobbler in the end.
21:06 <Otohiko> as I said before, I'm gonna compress the audio on this one and keep it
21:06 <Otohiko> yea, I honestly would've given it much higher marks were it not audio/video
21:06 <Otohiko> and the effort minus that entails
21:06 <Kionon> I keep much worse vids than this. Much, much worsre.
21:06 <quadir> one of the things that really bothered me in this vid... is the step up lip flap
21:06 <Minion> the threads gonna need some pictures or people will just say "fuck text, ya know?"
21:06 <godix> kionon: Your own?
21:06 <Minion> http://www.umbrellavideo.com/images/savecomputer.jpg
21:07 <Minion> http://www.umbrellavideo.com/images/commonsense.jpg
21:07 <quadir> I'm generally okay with lip flap... but when it's sped up it just... rips me out of the video
21:07 <Kionon> Actually, I wish my romance videos were this good.
21:07 <Pankyy> i keep amvs that have songs of franz ferdinand (??)
21:07 <Kionon> I don't think they are. :/
21:07 <quadir> because it's the #1 sign something is on fast forward
21:07 <Otohiko> actually I hardly noticed the lip flap
21:07 <Otohiko> mostly because I think the fairly tight editing keeps my attention away from it
21:07 <Malificus> I only noticed the 20 seconds of into flap
21:07 <orwell> http://www.umbrellavideo.com/images/savecomputer.jpg that's about as much interest as I have in this video
21:07 <badmartialarts> obviously, it's a romance between speed talkers or auctioneers in training
21:08 <Kionon> OH SHIT.
21:08 <Kionon> YOU FOUND TORN
21:08 <Kionon> (or someone did)
21:08 <orwell> Doki uploaded it
21:08 <Malificus> I seriously thought it was supposed to be a lip synch vid
21:08 <Minion> ok, who is going to keep this video and who will delete it? what say you #amv-review? personally, i don't think it's keeper material
21:08 <Otohiko> keep
21:08 <Malificus> I'm keeping it
21:08 <orwell> I think I deleted it as soon as it finished one play through
21:08 <Kionon> Kepper.
21:08 <godix> I used to complain about lip flap. These days unless it's REALLY bad I kinda prefer it in most cases. Without lip flap romances tend to be just two people staring at each other. With lipflap it's two people interacting with each other which is much better.
21:08 <Minion> kepper, huh?
21:08 <Minion> interesting
21:08 <Kionon> In fact, I have watched it about 10 times since downloading it initially.
21:09 <Otohiko> it's still looping on my other monitor :-P
21:09 <Pankyy> i don't know why i can't get the flow of this
21:09 <Malificus> I think I', only on the 5th viewing
21:09 <Pankyy> i don't want to be agains anyone
21:09 <Minion> Kionon: thats nothing. oropher watched sierra's new vid 20 times. i had that shit sigged for like a week
21:09 <G_Q> Op'd.
21:09 <Otohiko> pankyy: nah, noone's making you agree
21:09 <G_Q> In short, wow.
21:09 <G_Q> A great video through and through.
21:09 <Minion> his comment about watching it i mean. not her video
21:09 <badmartialarts> I didn't find the lips distracting either, really. Of couse, I've still only seen the first minute of the video...
21:10 <G_Q> My only minor negative was the capture quality.
21:10 <Otohiko> I personally really like the 'flow', in the sense of it being an awesome combination of beat/cut/internal sync
21:10 <Minion> lip flap didn't bother me
21:10 * G_Q isn't bothered by it, either.
21:10 <Malificus> I'm rarely bothered by lip flap
21:10 <Otohiko> yea, I mean uh
21:10 <Otohiko> what do you do?
21:11 <Otohiko> photoshop people's mouth out?
21:11 <Kionon> I didn't even notice the lip flap.
21:11 <Kionon> Honestly.
21:11 <Otohiko> I did it in a few places actually
21:11 <orwell> lip flap is only a problem really when it has no remotely justifiable reason to be there, as far as I'm concerned it's better to have a bit of extra motion than a even more static scene
21:11 <Otohiko> even in my last video, but only if it was something that'd be in focus
21:11 <badmartialarts> it's usually pretty easy to shut an anime character's mouth
21:11 <Otohiko> e.g. there's no motion/focal point anywhere else
21:11 <Minion> Otohiko: literally. photoshop them OUT. no mouths at all. be hardcore like that
21:11 <Otohiko> otherwise uh
21:11 <Otohiko> it's a video about people
21:11 <Otohiko> people talk
21:11 <quadir> like I said, I don't mind lip flap at all
21:11 <Otohiko> people don't stand around with their mouths closed all the time
21:11 <Pankyy> some
21:12 <quadir> it just seemed sped up
21:12 <quadir> like the sequence in space balls where they put the vhs of the movie in
21:12 <Minion> make a serious romance vid with kissing and everything. but shoop out the mouths. just skin over it
21:12 <Minion> make con goers say "what the fuck mate"
21:12 <teya> i didn't mind the lip flap in this
21:12 <quadir> I am alonez, noez :)
21:12 <Malificus> No, open mothsm, the whole vid O:<
21:12 <Pankyy> i really don't know why i didn't like this amv :S
21:12 <Kionon> "LAZER"
21:12 <Minion> not that kinda shoop
21:13 <badmartialarts> mputhbreathers
21:13 <teya> i couldn't tell if it was sped up.. it was too jittery
21:13 <teya> but okay
21:13 <badmartialarts> err mouthbreathers
21:13 <godix> I do want to inflict some pain on this guy for that raised brightness/contrast crap at the end though. Motherfucker needs a baseball bat to the head until he swears to never do it again.
21:13 <Kionon> I got that.
21:13 <Pankyy> also, that messed the quality too
21:13 <Minion> old godix is blind
21:13 <Pankyy> i don't know why
21:13 <Kionon> It was flash backs.
21:14 <badmartialarts> upped contrast looks great until you run it though a compressor
21:14 <godix> It was me pulling a Paranoia Agent on his ass.
21:14 <quadir> godix: the white noise thing?
21:14 <Otohiko> are you sure that's the editor's doing?
21:14 <godix> quadir: Yeah. Like where they're carrying the tree around 2:50 or so.
21:14 <quadir> Otohiko: pretty darned sure?
21:14 <orwell> I'll watch and check
21:15 <quadir> then again the other vids didn't use a lot of the footage he's using so not 100% but...
21:15 <Minion> could be form the souce. the faces were bright and i don't know this persons technical skill level
21:15 <quadir> I guess that was one thing with this vid that at least his filler wasn't what everyone else used as filler
21:15 <godix> That was actually the only thing that flat out made me say 'WHAT THE FUCK MADE YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA YOU GENERIC THROWBACK TO PRESIMIAN ANCESTORS'
21:15 <Otohiko> haha, damn, my op scores are now universally higher than average
21:15 <G_Q> Minon: Shopping out the mouths isn't that obvious, or easy.
21:15 <Otohiko> go generous oto >__>
21:16 <godix> Otohiko: Op everything in my profile. I want higher than average received scores.....
21:16 <Otohiko> only if you feature on AMV review
21:16 <Minion> G_Q: i'm aware of the difficulty. but you don't think it would be obvious? i sure as hell would notice no mouths in an amv
21:17 <Minion> well - actually shooping out the mouths wouldn't be that hard. just a mouth. only time consuming
21:17 <Minion> easier than good rotoscoping anyhow
21:17 <quadir> Otohiko: he HAS tried
21:17 <Malificus> Oto: I average higher ops than you on everything but reviewability and Review
21:17 <Pankyy> oh, it actually IS hard to me
21:17 <orwell> 2:50, that's all editor
21:18 <orwell> infact, it looks like there was a LOT of extra brightness tuning in there
21:18 <orwell> not by a large degree, but generally it's lighter than the nrom
21:19 <Minion> so - we bout done?
21:19 <orwell> perhaps failed filtering attempt
21:19 <orwell> over before it started
21:19 <quadir> Minion: don't think so
21:19 <Kionon> I don't really have anything to complain about other than video and audio quality.
21:19 <Kionon> I wouldn't change sync or scene choice at all.
21:19 <Otohiko> otherwise, one thing I can say about the 'flow' thing - what I really liked here (and some people may not agree) is that in a way, the not-too-technical focus of the editor here worked as a positive aspect - if you notice, a lot of the sync isn't as carefully patterned as many of the 'professional' vids we get here, which to me actually looks really nice
21:20 <quadir> I felt the sync was a bit late at times. I really dug the flow of the vid, but some lyric sync just seemed late to me
21:20 <Kionon> I agree with oto. It felt natural.
21:20 <Malificus> It's nice when not everything changes on a beat
21:20 <Minion> sync was it's strongest point for sure. and made me pay attention and take the video seriously
21:20 <quadir> like at 0:30 "I thought I was going to die.. but I survived" THEN he shows her falling towards the earth (ie, dying)
21:20 <Otohiko> and I say that as someone who nearly lost my mind patterning everything in my own last video, and here's a video that does it elegantly and without over-synching
21:21 <quadir> but oto may have a point about over-synching there
21:21 <quadir> the flow definitely worked either way
21:21 <Otohiko> I hope it's not just a first-video thing
21:21 <Otohiko> cause I'd love to see more stuff like this
21:22 <Minion> x2
21:22 <Malificus> x2
21:22 <Otohiko> a lot of editors get over-conscious of their editing with time
21:22 <teya> heh, i think i really didn't get this one
21:22 <quadir> also props to him for not focussing so much on her "heading at a breakneck speed"
21:22 <teya> i'm not sure why you all like it so much
21:22 <Otohiko> teya: well, you can go join pankyy in that corner :-P
21:22 <Minion> of course - make videos after reading this review. no more contrast shit, ya hear?
21:22 <teya> not that i thought it was terrible
21:22 <teya> just...
21:22 <teya> why _amazing_?
21:23 <Minion> wasn't amazing
21:23 <Otohiko> haha, so we have two in the 'nay' camp then
21:23 <Kionon> I thought it was amazing.
21:23 <godix> I did think the flow was decent. He matched the musics pacing well in most cases and I don't really have a complaint on his timing and so forth. Now I don't like that half the AMV was filler crap but it was good flowing filler crap at least.
21:23 <orwell> and orwell
21:23 <Minion> ok - kio thoguht it was amazing
21:23 <teya> Kionon: so.. why?
21:23 <Minion> thought*
21:23 <Otohiko> orwell is in the 'haet song' camp
21:23 <Otohiko> you don't count
21:23 <Otohiko> you're biased :-P
21:23 <Malificus> O:
21:23 <Kionon> Because I felt the emotion was communicated effectively, and that's, when it comes down to it, what matters most to me.
21:24 <orwell> I name my camp.... whatever that WWII death camp was, aschwitz?
21:24 <teya> hm.. i see
21:24 <Otohiko> haha, j/k, but I think seriously disliking the audio source can blind people to better aspects of the vid
21:24 <Malificus> It was fun, That's rare enough to be amazing
21:24 <orwell> probably
21:24 <badmartialarts> Belsen
21:24 <orwell> I've liked videos like this before, but the song really carries it
21:24 <Otohiko> I don't know about 'amazing', myself
21:24 <orwell> auschwitz
21:24 <Otohiko> it would easily be if it weren't for the obvious technical lapses
21:24 <teya> i would try to avoid opping a vid where i didn't like the song
21:25 <teya> it _is_ unfair
21:25 <quadir> I've op'ed videos where I didn't like the song
21:25 <orwell> eh, I opped I thought fairly
21:25 <quadir> but then again my scores are all low
21:25 <Otohiko> which I guess shows that I'm slightly spoiled by MP4s as much as this editor maybe isn't yet
21:25 <Otohiko> and everyone opped a video where they didn't like the song when we were doing 'Tori' of course :-P
21:25 <badmartialarts> if it's for like a free op thread, I'll op the video, then make a note in the thread that that song and/or band is now banned from further opping :)
21:26 <Kionon> I never dislike an audio source.
21:26 <Pankyy> gotta go
21:26 <Otohiko> later, too bad you didn't get to 'why' still :-P
21:26 <Kionon> I don't listen to it like I listen to what's in my own collection.
21:26 <Otohiko> I'm still curious
21:26 <quadir> Pankyy: thanks for coming out
21:26 <Pankyy> of what?
21:26 <Kionon> I look at it as source. Period.
21:26 <Minion> Kionon: NEVER dislike an audio source? come on now...
21:26 <Otohiko> curious of the 'nay' position
21:26 <Kionon> I am only biased against ANIME never music.
21:27 <Pankyy> ah
21:27 <Pankyy> i'll try to see it tomorrow and tell better
21:27 <Minion> theres some bad fucking music out there. way more than there is bad anime
21:27 <Pankyy> i've to wake up in 7 hours
21:27 <Otohiko> yer, there's always the thread
21:27 <Kionon> Not that I aware of, Minion. Unless it was like static.
21:27 <Pankyy> good luck
21:27 -!- Pankyy has quit
21:27 <Minion> :/
21:27 <Kionon> But I'm basing this on what I have seen, not what I could see later on.
21:27 <badmartialarts> Jionon: you like New Found Glory and Dashboard Confessional? They're on my 'do not op' list
21:28 <Kionon> The latter I do. The former I do not. But I wouldn't hold that against the video.
21:28 <badmartialarts> heh, I've done a video to theremin music, it's almost like static
21:28 <Minion> alright - i'm gonna make the worst fucking song i can and edit to it - then send you the video. just try to ignore that audio, i dare ya
21:28 <Kionon> ...wait, that was reversed.
21:28 <Otohiko> also, another highlight I'd want to mention is a few places of the rare 'expression sync'
21:28 <Otohiko> did anyone else note that?
21:28 <Kionon> I like New Found Glory, I don't like Dashboard Confessional.
21:28 <Otohiko> I think shaister's video did that a lot too
21:28 <Kionon> I caught it.
21:28 <Otohiko> with facial expressions used productively, etc.
21:28 <Kionon> I think it's part of the charm.
21:28 <Minion> noticed as well
21:29 <Otohiko> yea
21:29 <Kionon> And why the video FELT.
21:29 <Otohiko> yea
21:29 <badmartialarts> ah, yeah. Makes no sense for the song to be happy with a bunch of frowning
21:29 <badmartialarts> or DBZ powering up
21:29 <Kionon> That's my word for this video. I didn't just watch it, I didn't just hear it. It had an emotional context I FELT.
21:29 <Otohiko> I may not be as enthused as Kio on the 'feeling' thing, but it's a nice 'human' touch to the video
21:29 <Kionon> It was... a texture.
21:29 <Kionon> Hard to explain.
21:30 <Kionon> I could almost touch it.
21:30 <quadir> haha with bumb mapping?
21:30 <Otohiko> hm
21:30 <badmartialarts> like spackle?
21:30 <Otohiko> what DIDN'T work in this video as far as sync, anyway, save perhaps some of the lip flap?
21:30 <Otohiko> cause honestly, I couldn't catch much
21:30 <quadir> I mentioned something already
21:30 <quadir> lyric sync that was so late it was wrong
21:30 <Otohiko> there's always the question of 'filler', but that doesn't really bother me
21:31 <Otohiko> quadir: actually, I sort of like/use that too as far as lyric sync
21:31 <godix> Filler. The filler kinda killed the sync for me. I was left with a 'that's nice but what does it have to do with anything?' feeling in most parts of the video.
21:31 <Otohiko> there's some really good examples of 'delayed' lyric sync working
21:31 <quadir> I liked delayed sync
21:31 <Otohiko> it wasn't too consistent here though
21:31 <Otohiko> I can give it that
21:31 <quadir> but in a few places here the lyrics change too much
21:31 <Otohiko> but it didn't bother me
21:31 <quadir> so when he gets around to sync "I thought I was going to die"
21:31 <quadir> the lyrics are now saying "but I'm alive"
21:31 <Otohiko> as far as filler, I think it doesn't bother me because I'm not one for 'video must have constant story' thing
21:32 <quadir> when he's showing her falling to her death
21:32 <badmartialarts> you have to give the brain time to register the words beofre you show the scenes, but different people register stuff at different rates so what's good for one viewer would be off to another
21:32 <Otohiko> in fact I dislike strict linearity, I'm more of a 'visual structure' person when it comes to vidoes
21:32 <Kionon> I didn't see it that way at all.
21:32 <Kionon> I saw it as symbolic. As she's falling it makes her feel alive like reality normally never does.
21:32 <Otohiko> yea, well, and it's brought in logically
21:33 <Otohiko> it syncs, it looks good, it sort of repeats a few times
21:33 <Otohiko> didn't confuse me
21:33 <quadir> I guess I'm between both camps, I really liked the flow in the vid, but disliked a few syncs, the white noise and a few instanced of the lip flap (although not on the whole)
21:33 <quadir> Kionon: hm by 0:51 maybe I see what you mean, he repeats the falling scene to "sometimes it all works out"
21:33 <Otohiko> frankly the 'filler' here is not half as distracting as effects in a lot of other videos
21:33 <quadir> or "its funny how it all works out", bleh
21:33 <Otohiko> and it looks more visually consistent, even
21:34 <Kionon> I think there are plenty of scenes showing how mundane her life usually seems compared to her time travel.
21:34 <quadir> Otohiko: true, footage that follows the feeling but doesn't further story (hence filler) is 100% better then effects
21:34 <Kionon> How almost zombie like it is.
21:34 <Kionon> In that case falling through time would be pretty damn "alive."
21:34 <godix> Depends on the effects. I still believe there are videos that make good use of effects.
21:35 <quadir> Kionon: hm, I wasn't trying to put it in context of the anime... I hadn't thought of it that way
21:35 <Otohiko> godix: I don't mean I universally hate effects!
21:35 <Otohiko> just saying it's comparable to good use of effects here
21:35 <godix> Of course, there are a lot more than have a poor use of effects.
21:35 <Otohiko> semi-logical visual filler structure
21:35 <Otohiko> that's what effects are
21:35 <quadir> Kionon: under that interpretation I might agree then
21:35 <badmartialarts> yay, 50% downloaded
21:35 <Otohiko> that's what the filler is here
21:36 <godix> Hmm, I see I need to lower my effort scores some.
21:36 <orwell> BMA: are you sure your not pushing the shortbus, instead of riding it?
21:36 <Otohiko> anyway, I think we're going in circles, sort of
21:36 <Kionon> I think we are too.
21:36 <Kionon> But it shows such a diversity of opinions.
21:36 <godix> It really kinda sucks. When doki deleted those 44 all 1 ops I left my average given shot way up. Now I almost look like I'm nice in ops.
21:36 <badmartialarts> I said 'almost dial-up' speed
21:37 <quadir> roll call
21:37 <Otohiko> I'd bottom-line it with, :up: - fix quality - more plz!
21:37 <Otohiko> really liked it and I'm keeping it
21:37 <Kionon> I agree with oto, word for word.
21:37 <Malificus> x3
21:37 <Kionon> I look forward to another tutu vid.
21:37 <orwell> Get a taste in music and we'll see
21:37 <Otohiko> (ouch)
21:37 <badmartialarts> I'm meh on the song, but the first half is good and I hope the next half is good too!
21:37 <quadir> I liked it, felt like something I'd be incredibly proud of if it was mine. Even with it's problems
21:37 <Kionon> I likes the song. :3
21:38 <godix> Some major problems technically. Too much filler. Decent editing. If the editor improves I might like their future stuff but this video just has too many drawbacks to enjoy.
21:39 <orwell> x2, I'd give the editor another chance on the next one, as they seemed like they do have potential
21:39 <teya> i enjoyed it, definitely liked the song
21:39 <Minion> >CENSORED< call
21:39 <orwell> once you turn the audio off, it wasn't all that bad
21:39 <teya> i didn't think it was exeptional otherwise
21:39 <quadir> G_Q: still around?
21:40 <G_Q> Yeah.
21:40 <quadir> what's your final say on the vid?
21:41 <G_Q> A wonderful video. Filler and editing was good, and I thought the concept was great.

[Otohiko]

Awesome video. Glad I was around for it

I wonder if tu tu could still re-export it. It'd really be great to have a properly-filtered/compressed/better-audio version of it!

[badmartialarts]

I feel unfair trying to give this a review since I haven't been able to completely download it. My connection died at like 90% and it decided to completely delete the .part partial download file. Good job Firefox. :/

But from what I saw, it is a interesting video, though I am still ehh on the song choice. Not necessarily a keeper for me but definitely enjoyable. As for the technical side of the house, like I said in the chat room, it looks like the editor was speeding up the action using some sort of frame interpolation, because it made it very odd looking. In Premiere, there's an option that says "Blend Frames", uncheck that crap. Unless...you WANT it to blend frames (I've been playing with using this as an effect in a test video that might be finished one day).

[quadir]

review tonight @ 20:30 EDT