AMV Review #12: Otohiko's Tori

[quadir]

The concept: free op the chosen amv, then video discussion in irc
Where: #amv-review irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 20:30 EDT (8:30pm)
After: free-for-all video-related chat the rest of the week

This week's video:
(Otohiko) - 2007 - Tori
Category: Sentimental
Anime: Place Promised In our Early Days [Spoilers]
Song: Various
IRC Participants: godix, Kionon, Orwell, Otohiko, quadir (Olivier Beaton), Topstar_Productions

Bonus Video 1: Otaku Vengeance (DarkXPower, Lord Gats, Vig) - 1999 - Special [High Gore] (right click, save as)
Bonus Video 2: Elizabeth Kirkindall - ???? - Man in Black (right click, save as)
Bonus Video 2: Elizabeth Kirkindall - ???? - Odorikuruu Gone Horribly Wrong (right click, save as)

We want video suggestions, pm me or email quadir@animemusicvideos.org don't post em in the thread.

Archive:
2007 May 011-28, 010-21, 009-14, 008-07
April 007-30, 006-23, 005-16, 004-09, 003-02, March 002-26, 001-19

[inthesto]

How in the hell did I forget today was Monday?

Oh right, I had new DotA heroes to test out.

Dark Seer is awesome, by the way

[aesling]

Why in the world are these scheduled on Monday nights anyway? That just seems like it would be inconvient. Unless like sto you have no life.

[quadir]

Figured on fri-sun people have places to be both during the day (shoppin) and at night (partying). So monday nights it was. What day were you thinking?

[Otohiko]

Yea, the turnout was a little disappointing, but the responses weren't. Thanks again guys!

...are we going to get a log now?

[quadir]

Minion moved the files over to the proper vault, new links:

Bonus Video 1: Otaku Vengeance (DarkXPower, Lord Gats, Vig) - 1999 - Special [High Gore] (right click, save as)
Bonus Video 2: Elizabeth Kirkindall - ???? - Man in Black (right click, save as)
Bonus Video 2: Elizabeth Kirkindall - ???? - Odorikuruu Gone Horribly Wrong (right click, save as)

[JudgeHolden]

Strange ... no log this time ... hmmmmmm .....

[quadir]

log will go up in a bit, and make a comeback this week.

btw, amv-review tonight @ 8:30!

[quadir]

log

20:08 -!- Otohiko has joined #amv-review
20:09 <Otohiko> good evening hippies
20:09 <godix> Hidy ho oto
20:33 <quadir> Video: (Otohiko) - 2007 - Tori
20:33 <quadir> Category: Sentimental
20:33 <quadir> Anime: Place Promised In our Early Days [Spoilers]
20:33 <quadir> Song: Various
20:33 <quadir> Video Link in the topic, please watch and op it, discussion will start at 9pm EDT. Remember to stay for the bonus vid discussion!
20:33 <Otohiko> ooooh boy
20:33 <Otohiko> so do you want me to do the op too? :-P
20:33 <Topstar_Productions> aplace promised in what?
20:34 <quadir> if you haven't already, yes!
20:34 <Topstar_Productions> umm it's Otohiko's video... so he really can't op it
20:34 <quadir> yes, you can op your own vids
20:34 <godix> acutally he can. You're allowed to op your own shit.
20:34 <quadir> last I checked
20:34 <Topstar_Productions> really
20:34 <Topstar_Productions> weird
20:34 <godix> Although most people only do it to give themselves all 10's, play a joke, or both.
20:35 <quadir> please note people that if you want there is a subtitle file in the vid description if you want to understand the song
20:35 <Otohiko> ah yea
20:35 <Otohiko> I do suggest that
20:35 <quadir> because he was a ho and was too cheap to .mkv it
20:35 <Otohiko> well this'll be interesting
20:35 <Otohiko> haha, well
20:35 <Topstar_Productions> sure I'm a succer for SRTs
20:35 <quadir> or do multiple video streams
20:35 <godix> Otohiko: Is it physically possible for you to write a video description of less than a couple thousand words?
20:35 <Otohiko> godix: no
20:36 <godix> otohiko: remind me to get you to write the description of conet.
20:36 <quadir> Otohiko: that was suprisingly succinct
20:36 <Otohiko> and yea, well, the reason I didn't include subs...
20:36 <Otohiko> I originally didn't like the idea myself
20:36 <Otohiko> other people eventually convinced me to
20:36 <Otohiko> in retrospect, I should've put that in as a stream
20:36 <Topstar_Productions> I have a question?
20:36 <Otohiko> yes?
20:36 <Topstar_Productions> why is the srt not already an srt... and why does it not already have the same file name?
20:37 <quadir> foreign language films that are intented to be non-native are kind of cheap
20:37 <godix> Personally I'd say fuck the subs. No matter how used to reading subs you are they do distract you somewhat
20:37 <Topstar_Productions> why is it an htm file? you expect people to work to watch this one?
20:37 <Otohiko> ehm
20:37 <Otohiko> let me see this
20:37 <Otohiko> it sure looks like an srt to me
20:37 <quadir> godix: that's why you can watch it with and without
20:37 <Topstar_Productions> if it was Japanese I'd say screw the subs
20:38 <quadir> godix: not everyone stops the video 10 seconds in then ops, they, like, play it more then once
20:38 <quadir> then delete it
20:38 <Topstar_Productions> cause I understand Japanese enough to get by... but yeah
20:38 <Otohiko> if you clicked on the link and it went to a page... just go file->save as
20:38 <Otohiko> yea, me too (with japanese I mean)
20:38 <godix> quadir: I know. Just you and oto are saying watch the subs. I'm saying fuck em. Watch it without. If you want, the translation is in the video profile so you can look at it later.
20:38 <godix> quadir: FIRST OP!
20:38 <quadir> haha
20:38 <quadir> I was away :(
20:39 <godix> I know. I had the op written for the last half hour and refrained from submitting it.
20:39 <quadir> shoulda all 1'd then edited
20:39 <Otohiko> well someone did their homework!
20:40 <godix> Knowing dokidoki I suspect there's some nasty trick in store for me the next time I leave an all 1 op.
20:41 <Otohiko> bah, I can't give myself an unbiased score for effort here!
20:42 <Topstar_Productions> okay watching
20:52 <godix> Otohiko: Curse you, you pulled up my 'average given' scores.
20:52 <quadir> godix: I smell favoritism
20:52 <godix> quadir: Oh yeah, because I'm really trying to get otohiko in bed or something.
20:53 <Otohiko> op in
20:53 <orwell> no, it's just the first decent video I've been here to see
20:54 <Otohiko> godix: something?
20:54 <quadir> orwell: we do the good ones every other week but you're not here
20:54 <Otohiko> oh christ, etc.
20:54 <quadir> its like we do a good video, and people are like 'damn ill show next week'
20:54 <Otohiko> you almost missed it this week, too
20:54 <quadir> then we inflict the pain
20:54 <orwell> ah, bastids
20:54 <godix> You've shown good videos?
20:54 <quadir> okay, who has a trout
20:55 <orwell> I wouldn't miss anything, I've already torn this apart and put it back together!
20:55 <quadir> I need a trout
20:55 <quadir> someone give me a trout so I can thank the man
20:55 <orwell> uh... according to Oto, that would be me
20:55 <orwell> * gives quadir a trout
20:55 <orwell> or however that works
20:55 * Otohiko attacks orwell with sword
20:55 <Otohiko> or something
20:56 * orwell defends with fork
20:56 <Otohiko> Orwell: wait, in your track, did the guy with the trout win or lose?
20:56 <godix> Fork vs sword. The only way orwell has a chance is if oto falls down and stabs himself.
20:56 <orwell> I think he won
20:56 <Otohiko> which is likely
20:57 <orwell> if a guy with a pot handle can win in Battle Royale, I can certainly win with a fork
20:57 <orwell> though I don't know if I can save dinner
20:58 <Otohiko> orwell: then tell them about all those nice names you came up with for the betas of this video
20:58 <godix> otohiko: You're the odd man out on the review category. Face it, you're padding your scores!
20:58 <orwell> I remember the brick one, what was the other one though?
20:58 <godix> catfucker?
20:59 <orwell> no, not catfucker
20:59 <orwell> that was me
20:59 <orwell> or at least Oto's title for me
20:59 <orwell> I called it...
20:59 <orwell> hmmm
20:59 <Otohiko> speaking of that, I should've talked to TJ about catfucker
20:59 <orwell> chaos theory
20:59 <Otohiko> no, that wasn't the good one
20:59 <orwell> a pile of bricks will not assemble into a house, but a house will disassemble into a pile of bricks in a thousand years
21:00 <orwell> I think I might have compared it to a bad pizza at some point
21:00 <Otohiko> yea, that was it too
21:00 <godix> orwell: In theory, it is possible for a pile of bricks to assemble into a house. It's just very very unlikely.
21:00 <orwell> Oto: don't you save the logs?
21:00 <orwell> well, yeah, hence why I said chaos theory
21:00 <Otohiko> I have them somewhere but I remember them
21:00 <orwell> it's unlikely as hell
21:00 <orwell> but it can happen
21:01 <Otohiko> and then we had...
21:01 <Otohiko> come on, the last one!
21:01 <orwell> I don't remember!
21:01 <Otohiko> exquisite corpse!
21:01 <orwell> oh
21:01 <orwell> hahaha
21:01 <orwell> yeah, ok ok
21:01 <orwell> beautiful concept there
21:01 <godix> that sounds like a title for a Hellsing amv.
21:02 <orwell> it's a concept that sounds a lot better in russian, or even french, but it's basically where your shown a small part of the whole and blah blah wiki
21:02 <orwell> Exquisite corpse (also known as "exquisite cadaver" or "rotating corpse") is a method by which a collection of words or images are collectively assembled, the result being known as the exquisite corpse or cadavre exquis in French. Each collaborator adds to a composition in sequence, either by following a rule (e.g. "The adjective noun adverb verb the adjective noun") or by being allowed to see the end of what the previous person contrib
21:02 <godix> I don't trust wiki. I haven't since the day I realized *I* could edit it.
21:03 <orwell> eh, I could look it up elsewhere I suppose
21:03 <godix> doesn't matter. Just saying.
21:03 <orwell> either way, the wiki description works for me
21:03 <orwell> alright
21:03 <godix> Give me a few minutes and wikipedia would agree with me that exquisite corpse is the title of a Hellsing AMV.
21:04 <orwell> well, the full title is going to be "Humanitarian dismemberment of a exquisite corpse"
21:04 <orwell> I don't think it'll be to Hellsing though
21:05 <godix> actually isn't exquisite corpse pretty close to the telephone project?
21:05 <orwell> I think so
21:05 <Otohiko> yea
21:05 <Otohiko> maybe that should be its next attempted reincarnation (ha ha ha)
21:05 <orwell> I'd go for that, provided it's gory as can be
21:07 <quadir> so yeah, this movie looks gorgeous
21:07 <quadir> I'm always amazing at how awesome it looks
21:08 <Topstar_Productions> It looks great for sure
21:08 <quadir> and unlike his previous one, the character art doesn't completely suck, but mostly does
21:08 <quadir> whenever someone makes an amv with his stuff the first thing I think is that they won't be able to get away from the backgrounds
21:08 <godix> It was good looking. A little over corrected though.
21:08 <Otohiko> I should comment that it was maybe the first time I was motivated to do an AMV by the anime more than anything else
21:08 <Topstar_Productions> who did the character designs for this anime? It looks like Fujishima or Matsubara?
21:09 <Otohiko> godix: you know me, I can never get away from backgrounds (at all)
21:09 <godix> otohiko: It's one of your endearing traits. It's not a true otohiko video if I'm not thinking 'does this anime have any characters?'
21:10 <quadir> godix: well I think the series is just like that
21:10 <godix> Ok, hands up, who hopes to god they never hear anything from this singer again?
21:10 <quadir> the reason I bought it up though is because with foreign language amv's, people tend to consider them instrumentals
21:11 <quadir> infact I think one won in the vca's
21:11 <Topstar_Productions> ummm... I don't think the singer was a problem
21:11 <Topstar_Productions> I just didn't like the music
21:11 <orwell> I could do without the acoustics stuff myself, though overall I like Ilya
21:11 <godix> personally I think oto should have treated it like an instrumental. I was watching it as one and there were a few spots that made me go 'wait, that doesn't flow. Is he doing lyric sync?'
21:11 <Otohiko> (I should mention that this is some of their early, raw stuff, and they sound better with later, louder material)
21:12 <quadir> backgrounds usually work well with instrumentals
21:12 <godix> are there only 4 of us active now?
21:12 <quadir> but 5 minutes of backgrounds....
21:13 <quadir> godix: less, orwell was a beta, oto is the editor, so just me, you and top
21:13 <quadir> not that oto and orwell aren't participating or anything
21:13 <godix> I didn't mind the backgrounds. Oto changes scenes enough and has enough variety of editing style and scenes that it doesn't get old.
21:13 <godix> Kionon: IT WAS YOUR FUCKING IDEA! TALK YOU BASTARD!
21:14 <Topstar_Productions> umm... really I don't know, I thought it was kind of boring myself.
21:14 <godix> I'd like to think that right at that moment kio is at work sneezing.
21:14 <quadir> godix: variety of editing style? fade scene in, wait for drum beat, cut to scene 3, repeat
21:14 <Topstar_Productions> but I didn't like the song, and don't know the show
21:14 <godix> quadir: As opposed to nothing but fades or straight cuts like a lot of videos do, yes.
21:15 <orwell> I'm a beta? so what's the final?
21:15 <quadir> orwell: wait a few generations
21:15 <quadir> orwell: the model still has a lot of defects
21:15 <orwell> So now I'm a second class citizen
21:15 <orwell> greaaat
21:15 <quadir> gotta breed them out
21:15 <godix> orwell: Pauly Shore. You are a primitive beta of pauly shore.
21:16 <orwell> who?
21:16 <godix> Good thing you don't know I suppose.
21:16 <quadir> did anyone like the song?
21:16 <Otohiko> at least one of us :-P
21:16 <godix> I liked it until the vocals kicked in.
21:16 <quadir> I think godix/top already said they didn't, neither did I :(
21:16 <Otohiko> I'm not surprised to be honest
21:16 <quadir> and I'm not one to burn a video on the song really
21:17 <godix> No, but song does have a large part to play in reviewability.
21:17 * orwell looks up pauly shore
21:17 <quadir> I listen to pure instrumental and instrumental with made up lyrics, including tons of cirque du soleil stuff
21:17 <orwell> you bastard
21:17 <Otohiko> I sort of expected the reaction from the start though, so it's certainly not something I consider a negative point
21:17 <Otohiko> for me, anyway
21:17 <godix> orwell: I said you were better off not knowing.
21:17 <quadir> it just ruins the pacing
21:17 <quadir> for something that is 5 minutes long, I expect some lows, and highs
21:17 <quadir> but there is very little shift
21:18 <quadir> just the same tone throughout it seems
21:18 <quadir> Otohiko: am I crazy or do I keep spotting black and white frames?
21:18 <Otohiko> well, I can't say anything other than I'm a big fan of the artist and the song
21:18 <Otohiko> oh?
21:18 <Otohiko> where?
21:18 <godix> True but oto does take advantage of the shifts that are there. 1:50 for example was nice with the more actiony running when the music picked up.
21:19 <quadir> I keep thinking I'm seeing black and white flicker frames, but I'm having trouble pinning down timings
21:19 <quadir> aha
21:19 <quadir> 1:49
21:19 <quadir> I think it's maybe the fade technique?
21:19 <quadir> sortof blurs the colours out
21:19 <orwell> sounds like my project, one orphan frame would appear only when I exported
21:19 <quadir> washes em out
21:19 <Otohiko> in retrospect, though, I think I will avoid songs of this sort in the future, but not because of the sound of it - rather because it's not very natural for me to edit something so regular
21:20 <godix> quadir: If it's near the start I wondered about that as well and eventualyl realized it's the light changing as things go past the train window.
21:20 <Otohiko> quadir: strange, I don't see any flicker there
21:21 <quadir> there isn't any
21:21 <quadir> it's the fade that washes the colours out and I keep thinking it's black and white
21:21 <Otohiko> ah okay
21:21 <Otohiko> yes, I did that on purpose
21:21 <quadir> nevermind that the colours are already pretty blue-gray
21:21 <quadir> so it doesn't take much and boom you suddenly look black and white
21:22 <Otohiko> yea, perhaps that was unneccesary
21:22 <quadir> I really liked how the timing worked out on the violin at the end
21:22 <quadir> in the 4:30~ish range
21:22 <quadir> with the skweeling note and the fades
21:23 <godix> otohiko: incidently, 1:16 is an example of what I meant by lyric sync breaking the flow. A nuclear explosion following some guy with a gun and then immediately followed by birds in the window? Huge break in flow there.
21:23 <quadir> this amv feels like warcraft 3
21:24 <quadir> very polished, lots of effort and for what it tries to do, it does very well... but in the end I didn't find it gripped me
21:24 <godix> No, if it was WC3 there's be dozens of sides and a viewer going 'WTF, where the hell did the night elves come from?'
21:26 <godix> Ugh. Just spotted a frame blended scene. Oh well.
21:26 <quadir> 3:20 is predictable but I still really like how it ends up
21:27 <quadir> I just wish the song continued from that point instead of falling back
21:27 <Otohiko> quadir: interesting comparison
21:27 <godix> I kinda wish that oto didn't extend the song.
21:27 <Otohiko> I understand, though mind you, there is one difference that I probably knew in advance that this wouldn't work very well on most people
21:27 <Otohiko> haha
21:28 <Otohiko> I wonder if anyone would have actually known I extended it if I didn't say that...
21:28 <godix> probably not. Most us of have fallen asleep by that point.
21:28 <quadir> I didn't I just found it longer then the neverending story
21:28 <orwell> Oto: You should do a release comparison between the final version, and the first beta
21:28 <Otohiko> orwell: I don't think anyone is that interested though
21:29 <orwell> but think of all the stuff they could come up with! If I could find exquisite corpse and chaos theory...
21:30 <Otohiko> may I ask what people thought of the editing specifically?
21:30 <Otohiko> I mean, concept-wise, I think it's all been kind of clear to me from the start...
21:30 <godix> Other than my comments about lyric sync occasionally breaking the flow I thought it was well edited.
21:30 <quadir> well like I said I thought it was really polished editing wise
21:31 <quadir> you decided to synch on all the drums and major audio things
21:31 <quadir> and you nailed every one
21:31 <quadir> not half-heartetly but all the fades were the right lengths, and the cuts at the right pace
21:31 <quadir> so as not to disrupt
21:31 <quadir> so if I cut out a chunk of the amv that's more manageable, say 1-2mins of it
21:32 <quadir> I think it's a pretty hot segment
21:32 <quadir> I just ADD' on 5 minutes of it really given the song
21:32 <Otohiko> yea, understandable
21:33 <Otohiko> just wondering since that was really pretty painful to actually get down, and I wasn't sure by the end of it
21:33 <Otohiko> what sort of bugs me about it is that I did cut up the scenes quite a bit
21:33 <godix> I like the various points where you let the footage pick up to match what the audio is doing.
21:33 <Otohiko> which I thought took away from some of the artwork a little
21:33 <quadir> Otohiko: were you aiming for people to understand the song or was it more instrumental based? I mean you had lyric sync in there but I know there is a russian amv scene... did you get feedback from them?
21:34 <Otohiko> actually, not yet
21:34 <Otohiko> in a way I'm sort of afraid of putting it out there, but I will try
21:34 <Otohiko> it's a Russian AMV, but its not a Russian AMVers AMV, I think
21:34 <godix> I wonder if russians feel the same about lyric sync to english songs that I feel about lyric sync to russian songs?
21:35 <quadir> godix: unlikely
21:35 <orwell> If AKROSS is anything to go by, I doubt it
21:35 <Otohiko> style-wise, I think this one is more consistent with the sort of drama vids we get here
21:35 <quadir> godix: they would with spanish or japanese though
21:35 <godix> True. Russians, at least educated ones which are the most likely to be amv nerds, probably understand at least a little english.
21:36 <Topstar_Productions> everyone's forced to learn english
21:36 <godix> Otohiko: Yeah, that's pretty much what I said from the start. This is by far the most 'normal' video you've done.
21:36 <Topstar_Productions> where as americans don't feel the need to learn anything
21:36 <orwell> Most americans
21:36 <godix> When we can bomb the shit out of anything we don't understand it is questionable on if we really need to learn about it.
21:36 <orwell> I'm consistently told to go learn German
21:36 <Topstar_Productions> I think Canadians are more likely to accept videos in other languages then Americans.
21:36 <Topstar_Productions> I studied German
21:37 * Topstar_Productions is part german
21:37 <godix> I don't mind videos in other languages, I just don't like lyric sync in other languages. At least not lyric sync that breaks the flow of the video.
21:37 <Topstar_Productions> lyric Synch is what I'm all about
21:37 <Topstar_Productions> so I like to see it in other videos
21:37 <Topstar_Productions> besides... he provided subs
21:38 <orwell> As far as tolerant americans go, I disagree, I think that the people of the community who really stand up in it are fine with any language
21:38 <godix> For me it depends on the video. There better be something there besides straight literal lyric sync.
21:38 <Otohiko> well, I think I will be making further Russian videos for sure, but probably nothing with this sort of pacing (or so we hope)
21:38 <orwell> subs that don't work!
21:38 <orwell> Friends, lets go die! Friends, lets go live!
21:38 <godix> Otohiko: I can't bitch too much, odds are I'll be using a russian song soon thanks to you.
21:38 <Otohiko> I'm almost tempted to do something to the same artist's more hard-rock oriented material
21:38 <orwell> not till you do a KiSh
21:38 <Otohiko> to see if people respond to that better
21:39 <Otohiko> I'm glad the editing seems to have worked though
21:39 <Otohiko> if nothing else, I was a little worried about it
21:40 <Otohiko> well, I have no further questions
21:40 <Otohiko> perhaps someone has something for me?
21:41 <orwell> I don't have anything to really add to it after reviewing it again
21:41 <orwell> You know editing, you have a style, it's just a matter of charing ahead
22:31 <Kionon> Tori didn't do much for me.
22:31 <Kionon> Honestly, the visuals were beautiful, but I need to connect the lyrics, and the translation ont he info page wasn't enough.
22:32 <Kionon> Since it was in russian, I missed a lot, and it just didn't move me.
22:32 <quadir> Kionon: did you get the sub file?
22:33 <Kionon> The.. O_O
22:33 <Kionon> I had no idea there was a subfile.
22:33 <quadir> Kionon: yeah I know it's hard to spot in the WALL of text
22:33 <Kionon> That would have likely made a difference.
22:33 <quadir> Kionon: but there is a sub file, so you can spot the lyric match
22:33 <orwell> if you can get the file to work for you
22:34 <Kionon> link plz?
22:34 <quadir> I just went into vlc -> settings -> preferences -> video -> subtitles -> file -> browse
22:34 <quadir> and selected it
22:34 <quadir> it wouldn't auto-detect for me
22:34 <quadir> Kionon: http://tinyurl.com/2uh3qk
22:35 <quadir> right click save as .srt
22:35 <quadir> to have it auto-detect you're supposed to name it the same as the video (minus the extension)
22:35 <quadir> but even that didn't work for me, I had to do as stated above to get it to play
22:35 <orwell> if it doesn't play in winamp it doesn't get watched, simple as that
22:36 <quadir> winamp is such a pile of shit though
22:37 <orwell> yeah, and VCL doesn't do anything I tell it to
22:37 <quadir> good maybe 5-8 years ago
22:37 <orwell> besides, I've got it configured to play just about anything
22:37 <quadir> vlc crashes but at least it doesnt take my system with it
22:37 <orwell> Winamp doesn't crash
22:37 <Kionon> auto detected for me.
22:37 <quadir> I have it freeze once in awhile
22:37 <Kionon> This is cool.
22:38 <Kionon> I wish I had this on all my non-english amvs.
22:38 <orwell> bitch at the editors then, I've gotten subs from serval
22:38 <quadir> Kionon: I wish all my non-english were .mkv with a subtitle stream
22:38 <Kionon> Fuck mkv.
22:38 <Kionon> mp4 with srt is clearly superior.
22:39 <orwell> I'll second that
22:39 <Kionon> ...Boo, the coffee lyrical synch was too literal.
22:39 <quadir> can't turn it off easily without renaming or moving files
22:39 <Kionon> This is like watching an entirely new video.
22:39 <Kionon> "who will notice" is a nice synch.
22:40 <Kionon> But the sunrise is just too overdone.
22:41 <Kionon> I still don't feel this.
22:42 <Kionon> It's almost... snobbish in its artsiness.
22:42 <Kionon> No offense, Otohiko, but I'm trying to keep the fact you're here from changing how I address you vid, so I'm pretty much pretending you aren't here. :/
22:43 <Otohiko> haha, I'm not, actually
22:43 <Otohiko> I'm tweaking my second monitor, and thanks
22:43 <Otohiko> that's a lot of feedback
22:43 <Otohiko> quite happy with that, criticism and all