Where: #amv-review server irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 21:00 EDT (9pm) DL @ 20:30 EDT (8pm)
This week's video:
Link: (EricForeman - Julie K) - 2007 - Dreaming With a Broken Heart
Editor: Julie K (EricForeman)
Category: Romance
Anime: Cowboy Bebop [Spoilers]
Song: John Mayer - Dreaming With a Broken Heart
Please don't feel you need to read the irc log before jumping into the discussion here!
IRC Log of discussion:
Participants: godix, inthesto (Alex Ying), Kionon, Orwell, Otohiko, quadir (Olivier Beaton), teya, Topstar_Productions (James Shaw)
Bonus Video:Edited IRC Log wrote:20:33 <quadir> Video: (EricForeman - Julie K) - 2007 - Dreaming With a Broken Heart
20:33 <quadir> Category: Romance
20:33 <quadir> Anime: Cowboy Bebop [Spoilers]
20:33 <quadir> Song: John Mayer - Dreaming With a Broken Heart
20:34 <inthesto> I see John Mayer
20:34 <inthesto> And I see WMV
20:34 <inthesto> I feel moderately ill already.
20:34 <Otohiko> I was about to say
20:34 <Otohiko> haven't seen many of those lately
20:34 <godix> Let me guess, the spoiler is that spike dies?
20:34 <quadir> you could say this is... going back to our roots
20:34 <quadir> like week 1/2 roots
20:35 <inthesto> Our roots of grinding on really crappy videos?
20:35 <godix> quadir: So what, this video ranks so low that even watching earthworms crawl above our roots is better?
20:35 <inthesto> Speaking of which, I thought I deleted this project
20:36 <quadir> we still felt the video had a lot of good qualities and that it could make a decent discussion
20:36 <godix> at least I submitted something. And, apparently, forced three people with watch a kickassrandomnumbershere video which is 3 more people than would have watched it otherwise.
20:37 <quadir> godix: actually now that were friday-thursday schedule, it's in the list for next week, not this week
20:38 <godix> quadir: You still gotta watch it.
20:41 <inthesto> what
20:42 <inthesto> Man, I totally should have skipped again this week
20:42 <quadir> :(
20:42 <quadir> if the main video isn't to your liking you can always hope for the bonus vid
20:42 <godix> inthesto: Don't go. Stay around. There will be a bonus video that'll suck even more afterwards!
20:43 <inthesto> I do not want to watch this video over and over
20:43 <orwell> oh dear god it burns!!
20:44 <godix> inthesto: So op it based on the 10 or 20 seconds you could stand watching it. That's what I do. No one has complained yet.
20:44 <quadir> :( you guys are mean
20:44 <orwell> I think I have to leave
20:44 <godix> Well, I tell a lie, many have complained. I just don't care.
20:44 <orwell> can I op if I turn off the audio?
20:44 <quadir> you do realize you guys complain when we op something well known and high quality, but also complain when we do something that is alright and has some promise but is unknown
20:45 <quadir> there IS a thread on the submitters forum for the complainOTron
20:46 <Otohiko> I'll side with quadir here, and it's not a BAD video either
20:46 <inthesto> I'll complain about anything, really
20:46 <godix> quadir: Believe me, if anyone is well versed in their ops being submitted to the admins I am that person.
20:46 <inthesto> I'm just grumpy because I got woken up by a mosquito
20:57 <Niotex> ohh snap your reviewing >_>
20:58 <quadir> yeah get with the program
20:58 <Niotex> is it any good or what?
20:58 <quadir> it's ok
20:58 <quadir> not amazin
20:58 <quadir> not dbz
20:58 <Niotex> so.. I'd probably rip it to shreds?
20:58 <quadir> join in
21:00 <quadir> there are worse containers then wmv
21:00 <quadir> I could package an wmv in a .avi
21:00 <Otohiko> haha
21:00 <quadir> and you'd be like oooohhh snap XVID
21:00 <Otohiko> that doesn't excuse it!
21:00 <quadir> then you'd die
21:01 <Niotex> not really because I'd notice the playback issue's lol
21:01 <quadir> or all I'd have to do is dig out my 2000 trigun videos
21:01 <quadir> all avi's
21:01 <quadir> all horibble fansubs
21:01 <Otohiko> godix: I'd actually put the video quality 5 years back, not 4
21:01 <godix> otohiko: Either way, he has major compression issues.
21:02 <Otohiko> true
21:02 <Otohiko> I am curious what he used
21:02 <Otohiko> WMM?
21:02 <teya> WTF
21:02 <teya> i downloaded the video already you stupid program
21:02 <teya> i don't want to download it again just to op
21:02 <teya> that's dumb
21:08 <quadir> pacing was good
21:08 <teya> quadir: what do you mean by that?
21:08 <quadir> teya: matchng the speed/feel of the song
21:08 <teya> ah, k
21:08 <teya> yes i agree
21:09 <teya> "relaxing" is how i put it, too
21:09 <quadir> yeah
21:09 <godix> That singers voicebox needs to be ripped out with a pair of pliers and a nailfile. Then his recording equipment needs to be broken into pieces and tossed into a vat of acid. Followed shortly thereafter by whoever the composer was.
21:09 <Otohiko> haha
21:09 <Otohiko> let's just say I didn't have that much trouble with the music
21:09 <quadir> godix: dig leonard cohen (sp)
21:09 <inthesto> Okay, I'll make it brief: I didn't like it
21:09 <teya> heh i didn't mind the music
21:10 <inthesto> Lots of bad cuts, the music was nothing short of fuckall annoying
21:10 <teya> the vid didn't seem to go anywhere
21:10 <inthesto> SOmehow, it didn't drag on for forever
21:10 <inthesto> The video had a LOT of weird scene choices.
21:10 <quadir> it is true the 'gone gone gone' cuts were annoying, but I think if she had just made the fade slower they would of worked better
21:10 <inthesto> I was actually mystified over why they didn't pick Julia dying for the "gone gone gone" parts
21:10 <inthesto> AND OH MY GOD THE ROSE
21:11 <quadir> inthesto|laptop: yeah the roses :(
21:11 <teya> slower? i dunno, fade could've been faster imo
21:11 <quadir> I mean, she did find DIFFERENT pictures of roses
21:11 <quadir> but yeah try to do something else
21:11 <Otohiko> the repeating scenes were an annoyance
21:11 <Otohiko> yes, but there were a number of unneccesary repetitions
21:11 <quadir> teya: I thought the "gone gone gone" has this weird echo thing... where the scenes could overlap a bit, but I dunno really
21:11 <Otohiko> even to the point that, well, why not even do something to those same scenes?
21:11 <quadir> one thing I noticed, a lot of the synch was one verse behind
21:11 <Otohiko> like put some motion on them or something?
21:11 <quadir> almost consistently
21:12 -!- Topstar_Productions has joined #amv-review
21:12 <teya> hmm
21:12 <godix> Technically I thought there were huge problems with video quality. When they slowed the footage was bad, to follow the slowdown with a still shot was even worse.
21:12 <Otohiko> as I said, the video quality is... 4-5 years behind
21:12 <Otohiko> I'm not sure if there's an excuse for that
21:13 <quadir> people work with what they have
21:13 <Otohiko> the audio quality wasn't stellar, for those who actually listened
21:13 <inthesto> The excuse is not knowing what the fuck you're doing
21:13 <Otohiko> true
21:13 <quadir> not everyone thinks "I should go ged the dvds for this"
21:13 <Otohiko> which is why I wondered what he made this with
21:13 <Otohiko> welll
21:13 <Otohiko> that's also not really an excuse
21:13 <inthesto> It could just be an amazingly bad encode
21:13 <quadir> they think "hey I have these fansubs... and wmm... and this mp3.... amv!"
21:13 <godix> quadir: The video quality looked to be, mostly, a final compression issue than a source issue.
21:13 <teya> okay, i have to critique the original anime. 2:42.. if the cigarette floats in zero G, the smoke should not go up. kthxbye
21:13 <quadir> godix: you think so?
21:13 <godix> Yeah. I didn't really see source problems like interlacing, ghosting, etc.
21:13 <quadir> gg teya
21:14 <quadir> godix: that could be because it's from a fansub
21:14 <quadir> godix: those things would of been corrected already
21:14 <quadir> smart editor could have cropped subs out
21:14 <Topstar_Productions> interlacing isn't really a "source" issue, it's being to stupid to know what to do with the source.
21:14 <inthesto> Meh, I'm not sure I have much to say about the video other than that I hate the song and scene selection needs a lot of work
21:14 <quadir> good group wouldn't of watermarked it to hell
21:14 <Kionon> I was a big fan of this video.
21:15 <inthesto> So I'm just gonna punch out on that comment so I can get in some FFXII before I have to go to bed
21:15 <quadir> Kionon: did you see my comment above about the sync?
21:15 <teya> Kionon: do tell
21:15 <Otohiko> I think WMV explains some of the video quality issues, assuming it was exported from something like WMM with default settings
21:15 <quadir> inthesto|laptop: thanks for showing up
21:15 <Kionon> I agree.
21:15 <Kionon> I think the quality issue is due to WMV.
21:15 <inthesto> quad: Yeah, I'll be showing up more often now that I don't have to deal with finals
21:16 <quadir> inthesto|laptop: cool, we'll have more to pick from next week
21:16 <inthesto> But I just don't have much to say this week
21:16 <Kionon> Honestly, this video is another very classic pick.
21:16 <godix> Which is still a problem. There's an entire pack of totally free software available to download on the org that is designed just for making the video look good. And an entire guide explaining how to use it.
21:16 <quadir> inthesto|laptop: the bonus vid IS neat though
21:16 <Kionon> I enjoyed it because it pulled at my heart.
21:16 <inthesto> I'll grab it tomorrow morning when I see the thread
21:16 <quadir> Kionon: it's been a long time since a cowboy bebop vid did that for me, and this one did
21:16 <Kionon> Spike isn't normally one to be depressed or emo.
21:17 <Otohiko> okay, I can say some positive things about it too
21:17 <Kionon> But when he is, he has reason to be, and I think this video did a good job of showing how fleeting his one attempt at loving someone was.
21:17 <Otohiko> I think the uh... story layout was quite good there in that sense
21:17 <Kionon> In fact, I felt it showed us why he is in general such an aloof character; getting attached hurts too much, so he just doesn't.
21:18 <Otohiko> not over-linear but nice as far as character presentation
21:18 <quadir> I liked the 'was she really here' shot too much :(
21:18 <Kionon> It wa an excellent character profile.
21:18 <Kionon> I liked the roses the part.
21:18 <teya> the one with the empty barstool?
21:18 <quadir> LOL
21:18 <Otohiko> haha
21:18 <quadir> had me all the way until the roses kionon
21:18 <teya> i particularly liked that shot for some reason
21:18 <Kionon> Normally, I''d have considered that cheesy literal sync.
21:19 <quadir> teya: yeah the empty stool
21:19 <Kionon> But because of seen where it shows him buying them, it comes together.
21:19 <godix> Actually this video kinda highlights something I mentioned in koops 'concept vid' thread. A teen/early 20's who's most experience at romance is being felt up in the back of a theater and who's biggest encounter with death is when their pet bunny fluffy died just isn't going to produce a video with the maturity of emotions needed to reach me.
21:19 <quadir> Kionon: I mean yeah she got different shots of roses, but really 1 was enough
21:19 <Kionon> All he has left is the roses he never got to give to her.
21:19 <Kionon> Hmm. I dunno, I thought it was symbolic of his repetitive thought patterns (and the nature of the lyrics as well).
21:20 <quadir> better op it kionon cause I don't think any of us liked the roses
21:20 <quadir> although put that way it sortof works
21:20 <godix> I thought it was a perfect example of why emos shouldn't do videos. There's more to romance than watching your love get blown away.
21:20 <Topstar_Productions> godix some teenagers have gone through a lot more then that
21:20 <orwell> like slicing
21:20 <quadir> orwell: that was a fad
21:20 <godix> topstar: Yes. But they don't produce trite emotionless follow the formula romance crap like this.
21:20 <orwell> no no no
21:21 <orwell> I love you: Slice
21:21 <orwell> wait a couple days
21:21 <orwell> you'll see
21:21 <godix> orwell: If you turn that into a romance video I will love you just for making me laugh.
21:21 <orwell> I shall try my hardest
21:22 <orwell> right, sorry to derail, back to bashing
21:22 <Otohiko> why bashing?
21:22 <Otohiko> does anyone else have anything positive to say?
21:22 <Kionon> It moved me.
21:22 <Kionon> That's the most important thing, and saving grace of the video.
21:22 <godix> Aside from video quality, the editing wasn't horrible. It was just uninspired and average.
21:22 <quadir> the big thing about this video....
21:22 <quadir> is that it's primarily a youtube video
21:23 <teya> ?
21:23 <quadir> serving a youtube audience
21:23 <Kionon> O_o
21:23 <Otohiko> I thought the editing was quite nice at points
21:23 <Otohiko> oh?
21:23 <Kionon> I'm insulted.
21:23 <teya> quadir: what are you talking about?
21:23 <quadir> and posted in a lj-community alongside all the other submitted youtube videos
21:23 <godix> Kionon: So, as the only one here who was touched, how does it feel to be the 'youtube audience'?
21:23 <teya> lol
21:23 <quadir> godix: hey, I said I was!
21:23 <Topstar_Productions> lol
21:23 <Kionon> ...
21:24 <quadir> after all I found it :)
21:24 <godix> quadir: I know you're touched but I always thought that in your case that was a nice way of saying 'deranged'.
21:24 <quadir> anyways, I was really suprised to find this in a youtube community
21:24 <quadir> maybe it's true that it's a bit behind the times
21:24 <Topstar_Productions> there are youtube "communities"?
21:24 <quadir> but they are definitely getting there
21:25 <quadir> Topstar_Productions: yes
21:25 <Kionon> No more hosatchel plz, kay, thx.
21:25 <quadir> Kionon: although I guess you could say it's just an lj community
21:25 <quadir> but most of these people host there stuff on youtube or imeem
21:25 <Otohiko> well for youtube the video quality wouldn't be a concern, heh
21:26 <godix> They have potentional. With many many hours of work, and someone with musical taste helping select the song, the editor could rise above the merely average and after following a long hard road of improving themselves may someday even become 'eh, it's not bad'.
21:26 <godix> potentional. Why do I feel like George Bush right now?
21:29 <quadir> anyways, roll call
21:29 <godix> here
21:29 <quadir> I liked the video, emotionally I think it worked and I walked away thinking about it
21:30 <teya> present
21:30 <Otohiko> I also didn't think it was too bad and, were it not for a few iffy creative choices and technical problems, it would've been above average
21:30 <teya> i was a little bored, but it was pleasant enough
21:30 <Kionon> In general this video had heart, and I always keep videos with heart. I like the concept, and I liked the flow. What I did not like was how crappy of an encode this was, and how bad the audio sounded. I will keep this, because I can over look a lot for heart. I did enjoy it, and I was moved, but a correct version for quality would mae me ever so happy.
21:30 <Otohiko> and the editor definitely has potential
21:31 <Otohiko> cause I liked a number of the editing/scene solutions here
21:31 <Otohiko> shame it wasn't totally consistent and the scene repetitions, imho, didn't work out that well
21:31 <teya> it fit the music, and i liked the music.. which works for me as something i might leave on in the background
21:31 <godix> After looking at the video I see absolutely nothing that marks it as different than any of the hundreds of other 'dead girlfriends blown away and guy gets emo' romance videos. Normally I don't particularly care about technical quality issues but combine that with a total lack of anything interesting and the endless god damn rose scene and you end up with something that's hitting the trash can quicker than a crack whore tossing away her lat
21:32 <teya> in a sort of agreement with godix, i'm tired of vids about this particular relationship
21:32 <godix> If someone sits the editor down and explains what 'trite', 'overdone', and 'souless' means then she has potential.
21:33 <Otohiko> there's always the 'make video for yourself/youtube audience' though
21:33 <Kionon> I have never seen a video about this relationship other than the one by EK.
21:33 <godix> I have no problem with someone making a video for themselves. In fact I actively endorse people do that. What I have a problem with is if *I* have to see the god damned thing.
21:33 <Kionon> Comparing Big Big Truck to a newb is unfair.
21:35 <Kionon> I note that while my commentary seemed more upbeat, all of my numbers except review were dead on with everyone elses.
21:43 <quadir> Topstar_Productions: so, what did you think of the main video?
21:43 <Topstar_Productions> hmm it's so-so
21:43 <quadir> Topstar_Productions: what did you like about it?
21:44 <Topstar_Productions> I never watched bebop actually so I don't get most of the emo-ness
21:44 <Topstar_Productions> I dunno some of the cuts were pretty good I guess
21:44 <Topstar_Productions> other then that didn't do much for me
Link: Kentaro Shimazu - xxxx - KeyScape (right click, save as)
Editor: Kentaro Shimazu (KenShimazu)
Category: Drama
Anime: Key the Metal Idol
Song: Farscape - Intro Song Short Version
Tags: [Mild Gore]
If you want to discuss this video, please clearly indicate BONUS video in your post
IRC Log of discussion:
Participants: godix, Kionon, Orwell, Otohiko, quadir (Olivier Beaton), teya, Topstar_Productions (James Shaw)
FAQ:Edited IRC Log wrote:21:33 <quadir> Video: Kentaro Shimazu - xxxx - KeyScape (right click, save as)
21:33 <quadir> Editor: Kentaro Shimazu (KenShimazu)
21:33 <quadir> Category: Drama
21:33 <quadir> Anime: Key the Metal Idol
21:33 <quadir> Song: Farscape - Intro Song Short Version
21:33 <quadir> Tags: [Mild Gore]
21:35 <Otohiko> uhh
21:35 <godix> Wow, the bonus video has almost the same video quality as the main video except a smaller resolution.
21:35 <Otohiko> never having seen the show this apparently refers to, I'm rather clueless
21:36 <quadir> bonus video is 1998 or 1999 btw
21:36 <quadir> I also have key, this video made me buy it for 150$ at anime north :(
21:36 <teya> this video??
21:36 <teya> but..
21:36 <quadir> yup
21:36 <orwell> what?
21:36 <teya> i guess i don't get it
21:36 <quadir> looked cool
21:36 <Otohiko> if it's 1998-1999
21:36 <Kionon> This video looks like above average for 1998.
21:36 <Otohiko> all is forgiven
21:36 <godix> how many DVDs is key?
21:37 <quadir> 3
21:37 <Kionon> Nice.
21:37 <Kionon> I liked it.
21:37 <Topstar_Productions> okay bonus video is kind of neat
21:37 <godix> wow, that's a really early attempt at lipsync
21:37 <Otohiko> I don't get it
21:37 <Kionon> If it had gone on for much longer, I wouldn't have.
21:37 <Kionon> But it was short and sweet.
21:37 <Kionon> ...there's not much to get about key either.
21:37 <godix> I got the first two DVDs and never got past the first one.
21:37 <Otohiko> in fact, I don't think I get many pre-2003 videos, with a few exceptions
21:37 <Topstar_Productions> I've only seen a bit of Key
21:37 <Otohiko> if it's intro theme to farscape though
21:38 <Otohiko> wouldn't that require one to also have an idea wtf farscape is?
21:38 <quadir> but yeah your first clue that this video is old is that the studio is actually a fansubbing group
21:38 <Topstar_Productions> Farscape is that old?
21:38 <orwell> wtf is farscape?
21:38 <quadir> the song
21:38 <Topstar_Productions> weird comedy/drama scifi show
21:38 <quadir> farscape is 1999 btw
21:38 <Topstar_Productions> this guy gets sucked through a wormhole
21:39 <godix> for 1998 or 99 this is a really good video. Unfortunately most things that make it good have vastly improved on since then.
21:39 <quadir> so yeah this video would have to be 1999 MAYBE 2000 but it's one of the oldest vids I have so I doupt it
21:39 <quadir> I like how abrupt the video is
21:39 <orwell> I guess in context this was good, but just randomly viewing it? nah
21:39 <Topstar_Productions> I didn't even recognize it as farscape... that's more my brother's thing then mine
21:40 <Topstar_Productions> but yeah, timing and editing is pretty good for a 7 year old video
21:40 <Kionon> She's a robot pinoccio who needs 30 thousand friends to be real, who honestly thinks there is anything to get
21:40 <quadir> it's also instrumental, which was more rare back then
21:40 <Kionon> That's true.
21:40 <quadir> given the various video to basic lyric matching was king
21:41 <Topstar_Productions> Kionon wasn't there a campaign where you could mail the company saying if you wanted her to suceed or not?
21:41 <Kionon> But then most vids back in the dark ages when we began were Linkin Park Z vids.
21:41 <Kionon> Topstar: That sounds familiar, although I can't imagine who would say no, other than godix.
21:42 <Kionon> well, and possibly dokidoki, who thinks she needs prozac.
21:42 <orwell> I win!
21:42 <godix> kionon: Anyone who likes their series to end with the main character dying. Which seems to be a very japanese trait.
21:42 <quadir> I would think that japenesse and their apocolyptical endings are more against the happy ending for the sake of the happy ending
21:42 <Kionon> I've never been a fan of unhappy endings
21:43 <Kionon> This si why I refuse to watch past episode 10 of Saikano.
21:43 <godix> I've never been a fan of unhappy ending just to make an unhappy ending. Which anime does a lot. Trigun isn't worth watching after the halfway point. Cowboy Bebop should have been stopped several episodes before his death.
21:44 <godix> Unhappy ending that flow naturally from the story, EG Grave of the Fireflies, I'm cool with.
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