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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by ngsilver » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:08 am

AndreVSWorld wrote:No Guro (eww)
No Scat (eww)
Awww... there goes my best vid to date's chances....
AndreVSWorld wrote:All characters must appear to be over 18 or at least not appear to break any laws
If this is a US convention then actually there is no law against drawings of this manner. Just thought I'd point that out. But considering some of the content you are saying will not be allowed I suppose you don't care about the law aspect. Essentially, by not allowing Yaoi but allowing Yuri you're closing off a whole section of adult videos that could be submitted. Then throwing out scat and guro you're also killing other video type (and content) as well. Which then leads me to think that you are really only going for one type of video, hetero sex. And if that is the case, why allow Yuri? Oh, because your audience will like it. Ah, I see.

Then wouldn't it be easier to just say only videos that would appeal to the standard, male, perverted otaku?

Case and point, the most requested videos that I play during my Hentai events happen to go against your content rules. Just thought I'd point that out.
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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by HalOfBorg » Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:23 am

I'd have to agree. I have no interest in Yaoi or scat myself, but if some adult wants to watch that, fine by me.

I'd think maybe start out with the general, hetero sex types, then run the Yuri, and/or the Yaoi, then move into the rougher stuff like the bondage and the scat.

Seems odd to me to let Futanari in and keep Yaoi out, but I'm no expert. (to be honest I had to look that one up!)

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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by AndreVSWorld » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:29 pm

ngsilver, you make good points.

At Fanime the hentai and yaoi showings have been split up into two different rooms run by two different groups. There is some crossover between those who want to see yaoi and those who want to see hentai, but I would argue that I'd find more people who would come from the yaoi group and view hentai than vice versa. I am most certainly going after a specific audience for these specific awards simply based upon my experience both with the hentai nights and the fact that a good portion of those who go to watch the hentai nights don't want to see yaoi. Even the AVN Awards separated the GayVN awards over a decade ago. By trimming down what can be shown and what cannot be shown I'm pretty sure that the videos I'll get will be watchable by most of the audience. If most of that audience happens to be "the standard, male, perverted otaku", so be it. I eliminated scat and guro because I personally am very much unable to watch those kinds of items and quite honestly, if I show that off I'm far more likely to offend and seriously upset people than their banning will. This isn't a serious business awards ceremony.

Let me be perfectly clear: I have no problem with people choosing to watch scat, guro, yaoi, BDSM or anything else as long as it doesn't violate any legal issues (I only tacked that last bit on for CP). Hell, I'll even consider sponsoring awards for such things at another time, but at this moment I'm just trying to get this off the ground. If, at least three months before Fanime 2010, someone can convince me that they have sufficient videos to show a yaoi music video awards ceremony, I'll try my best to help out and maybe even cough up some money for awards, but I know I'm not the best person to judge yaoi and most certainly not the best to emcee the ceremony. But as of this moment, I am specifically aiming for the primary audience that goes to the hentai nights at Fanime and I'm fairly certain what I've included and excluded will work fairly well. Lines and limits have to be drawn somewhere. Violence is okay to a certain point and I'll even allow a certain amount of peeing, but that isn't really guro or scat, and I'll borrow from the SCOTUS and say that "... I know it when I see it."

I also would argue that the "lesbianism" I have seen in pretty much all hentai isn't real yuri or real lesbianism but is instead "porn lesbianism", hence why it is included. Futanari is, for some strange reason, far less threatening to most heterosexual males when it comes to their hentai and therefore it is included.

Lastly, yes, I do know that in the USA it has been ruled by the courts that depictions of people under the age of 18 engaging in sex isn't automatically illegal. However, I'd rather just avoid that whole debacle and any possible issues right from the get go. This is supposed to be fun and the last thing I want is to get arrested and taken to court because of something that was mailed to me.

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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by AndreVSWorld » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:32 pm

mirkosp wrote:I was thinking about sending "Dedicated To #AMV" (link in my sig), since it gets DQed in family friendly contest and got into awa expo only as a mature entry, but it's not exactly hentai... guess you'll have to check for yourself. :roll:
It's definitely funny, but I wouldn't call it hentai.
Also, the encoding on the video seemed really messed up and had artifacts all over the place. I don't think it was my machine but one never knows. You might want to check it and make sure it isn't messed up or something. It might just be me though.

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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by HalOfBorg » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:38 pm

AndreVSWorld wrote:It's definitely funny, but I wouldn't call it hentai.
2nd that. PG13, borderline R. Don't show it in middle-school. :nono:

AndreVSWorld wrote:Also, the encoding on the video seemed really messed up and had artifacts all over the place. I don't think it was my machine but one never knows. You might want to check it and make sure it isn't messed up or something. It might just be me though.
The closet thing to an artifact I saw seemed intentional. The low-resolution dancers. Other than that it played fine on my netbook.
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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by mirkosp » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:10 pm

AndreVSWorld wrote:
mirkosp wrote:I was thinking about sending "Dedicated To #AMV" (link in my sig), since it gets DQed in family friendly contest and got into awa expo only as a mature entry, but it's not exactly hentai... guess you'll have to check for yourself. :roll:
It's definitely funny, but I wouldn't call it hentai.
Also, the encoding on the video seemed really messed up and had artifacts all over the place. I don't think it was my machine but one never knows. You might want to check it and make sure it isn't messed up or something. It might just be me though.
The closest thing to messed up quality I can think of in that encode is having used psy-rd which might come out looking as noise. If you want, I could check the CRC32 of the file to see if you got the whole thing.
Also, well, since it is SD, if you're fullscreening it on a FullHD, it won't come out too nice.
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AndreVSWorld wrote:It's definitely funny, but I wouldn't call it hentai.
2nd that. PG13, borderline R. Don't show it in middle-school. :nono:
Not pg13, otherwise it would have been fine for local, which it isn't. :cry:
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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by HalOfBorg » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:17 pm

What is the submission date?
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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by AndreVSWorld » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:28 am

HalOfBorg wrote:What is the submission date?
Not certain yet, but I'm going to say about two or three weeks before Fanime. If Fanime is when I think it is, that means either May 7th or 14th. I'm starting advertising early so people have lots of time.

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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by anneke » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:58 pm

As for there being enough interest for there to be a Yaoi video contest... LOL! There is the 'Hentai Room' which is rarely full, while you have the 'Yaoi Room' and the 'Yaoi-con Sponsered Events' which are generally packed. There is alot of over lap of Y-con attendees and Fanime attendees. You also have two of the most hard core Yaoi AMV creators who attend Fanime, and have won awards at Fanime's regular AMV contest. So YES there is interest in having Yaoi videos. From the creators and your audience. Far more then there is from the Hentai side of things.

The reason they split Yaoi & Hentai into two rooms is because there was a big enough demand for showing both types of animes. Not because the population can't handle viewing one type of anime over another, and I know alot of people who go to both. If they really cared about not offending their viewing option they wouldn't mix all the various Hentai types up. Your talking about an adult audience, so treat them like adults. We don't need you to decide what we are capable of viewing. If you want to give a warning or group the videos by type, that's fine, but limiting and filtering out videos is just wrong.

Frankly I would prefer the contest have a mix of both Yaoi, Yuri and Hentai because if there is a mix, the videos can be judged on the videos themselves vs how hard your audience gets.

If you can't judge or watch the videos because they are not the type you personally find sexually pleasing, then frankly I don't want you running the contest if you can't be unbias. Nor would I want to enter a contest as such. It really sounds like you just want to watch a bunch of video of a specific type and thus throwing a contest is your way of getting people to create the type of video you want to see.

And to be more clear, if you said JUST M/F videos only, that would have been fine. But your saying yes to M/F and yes to Gay videos that are F/F, but excluding Gay videos that are M/M which is where things become unfair. How can one type of gay anime be allowed but not the other.
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Re: Hentai Music Video Awards at Fanime 2010

Post by Bakadeshi » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:31 pm

in Andre's defense, we have to remember that the purpose of a convention contest is primarily to entertain. If he knows his audience will not be entertained by gay videos (which in itself may be questionable) , then he is probably making the right choice even if it seems unfair to the submiters. Also its a well known fact that guys in general like Yuri more than Yaoi. (maybe except if they are Gay, not a expert in that area ;p ) Girls tend to be the fans of Yaoi stuff, but the primary audience of hentai stuff is males, not females. of course there is always exceptions, I'm speaking majority here. Thus you can see the reasoning behind his decisions.

Although if it was upto me, I'd suggest keepingit M/F, and have a seperate showing caegory for the Yaoi/Yuri stuff, even if it was still in he same contest, just different showing bloclks. that way those who would be offended can leave the room when it is announced to start.

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