AMV Review 2007-04-23 Blue Mandrake's 'The Face Of God'

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AMV Review 2007-04-23 Blue Mandrake's 'The Face Of God'

Post by quadir » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:50 pm

The concept: Flash-mob op an amv, discuss it in irc
Where: #amv-review server irc.zirc.org (web client)
When: Every Monday, 21:00 EDT (9pm) DL @ 20:30 EDT (8pm)

We are looking for 1-2 additional judges to pick the week's video. Judges are chosen based on constructive video submissions for the amv-review (pm me or email at quadir@animemusicvideos.org)

This week's video:
Link: (Blue Mandrake) - 2007 - The Face of God
Editor: (Blue Mandrake)
Category: Serious
Anime: Neon Genesis Evangelion (End of Evangelion)
Song: Tiamat - Angel Holograms
Tags: [Mild Nudity] [Strong Gore]

Please don't feel you need to read the irc log before jumping into the discussion here!

IRC Log of discussion (see first reply for Quadir's Highlights):
Participants: Arkada (Tristan Gallant), CrackTheSky (Ben Sobotka), Fall_Child42 (Todd Serge), godix, G_Q (GloryQuestor - John Wendel), Otohiko, purplepolecat (James Dury), quadir (Olivier Beaton), shumira_chan, teya
Edited IRC Log wrote:20:04 -!- Otohiko has joined #amv-review
20:13 <Otohiko> I'm back for another round of this, etc.
20:13 <godix> He's gonna inflict shit on us. I can already tell.
20:13 <Otohiko> good thing I'm tolerant, I guess
20:13 <godix> Good thing i'm insulting.
20:14 <Otohiko> yea
20:14 <quadir> godix: good thing you submitted something
20:14 <quadir> er wait
20:14 <quadir> you didn't
20:14 <quadir> STFU about the selection if you can't submit something
20:16 <quadir> shadowNOS is a bit right, org people need to tone down their expectations a bit
20:17 <quadir> especially for a community with 30 videos a day
20:17 <godix> It has nothing to do with expectations. It's about desire. I *EXPECT* total crap. I *WANT* something good.
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20:29 <quadir> crap my bonus vid direct link is broken
20:29 <quadir> silly org link checker is broken
20:31 -!- G_Q has joined #amv-review
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20:36 <quadir> I'd like to thank everyone who submitted videos, from their own to other's they thought worth discussion. I narrowed it (Kionon is AWOL) down to 2 videos and in the end Blue Mandrake's "The Face Of God" got picked.
20:36 <quadir> Video: (Blue Mandrake) - 2007 - The Face Of God
20:36 <quadir> Link: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=142653
20:36 <quadir> Editor: (Blue Mandrake)
20:36 <quadir> Category: Serious
20:36 <quadir> Anime: Neon Genesis Evangelion (End of Evangelion) [Spoilers]
20:36 <quadir> Song: Tiamat - Angel Holograms
20:36 <godix> Now there's a title that's begging for some bukkake.
20:36 <G_Q> Interesting combo O_O
20:36 <jonnkakarotto> indeed.
20:38 <Fall_Child42> Whats with all the serious videos?
20:39 <quadir> Fall_Child42: there is a comedy vid in the queue, but at least this isn't romance
20:39 <quadir> Fall_Child42: definatly looking for submissions though
20:40 <godix> quadir: I got a talking anus segment here that no one will accept in a MEP. Want me to submit that for next week?
20:41 <quadir> godix: submit it if you want, as long as it's got a dl link on an org profile
20:42 <jonnkakarotto> wait
20:42 <jonnkakarotto> can you lipsync with an anus?
20:42 <teya> haven't you seen ace ventura?
20:42 <godix> jonnkakarotto: Yes you can. I did.
20:42 <jonnkakarotto> well, technically those aren't lips
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20:43 <godix> Well, they're cheeks. It's kinda close to the same thing.
20:43 <Fall_Child42> What is with this text?
20:43 <jonnkakarotto> godix: I look forward to seeing it
20:43 <jonnkakarotto> in a very odd kind of way
20:43 <shumira_chan> PCM? :(
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20:45 <G_Q> ...
20:46 <Fall_Child42> i like the song
20:47 <Otohiko> it's a eva video
20:47 <Otohiko> that's the extent of my thoughts so far
20:47 <godix> Could use more bukkake.
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20:47 <godix> Or, for that matter, ANY bukkake.
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20:48 <CrackTheSky> Yeeaahhhhh
20:48 <haunter103> "1st video in my 2nd era"? O_o
20:49 <quadir> he had a joint account with someone
20:49 <CrackTheSky> Yeah I didn't get that either
20:49 <quadir> a lot of people like brothers or bro+sis share an account and make vids together
20:49 <quadir> later someone looses interest
20:49 <quadir> 1 of them keeps going
20:49 <quadir> and creates a new account that is seperate
20:49 <quadir> it's pretty common
20:50 <haunter103> ic
20:50 <Fall_Child42> WTF is with the title Text
20:50 <Fall_Child42> Overall I actually enjoyed it
20:50 <CrackTheSky> I think it's a pretty unique Eva AMV...I haven't seen many Eva AMVs that focus on the "Rei is God" angle
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20:52 * quadir hands in his op.
20:53 <jonnkakarotto> I hate my connection speed
20:55 <jonnkakarotto> I'll still op it, though
21:01 <Fall_Child42> Done the op
21:01 <Fall_Child42> I liked it
21:01 <Fall_Child42> I marked it pretty high actually
21:01 * Otohiko submits op
21:01 <godix> Huge technical problems but the actual video wasn't bad.
21:02 <Otohiko> I'm positive about it too
21:02 <Otohiko> not over-enthused, but the guy seems to be on the right track
21:02 <shumira_chan> It's a nice vid
21:02 <Otohiko> he certainly tackled the whole eva thing pretty well
21:02 <quadir> I'm not sure if I've ever seen an EoE vid I liked before
21:03 <Fall_Child42> the text Title at the beginning still pisses me off alot though
21:03 <quadir> yeah putting the title a few secs in seems weird
21:03 <teya> done op
21:03 <godix> quadir: EoE videos usually fail because they almost require that not only have you seen EoE but that you understood it as well.
21:03 <Otohiko> a few secs in and with odd delays there too
21:03 <Otohiko> it makes it seem like it's supposedly part of the 'body' of the video
21:03 <shumira_chan> I don't like EVA, and the songs does nothing for me, but the editor does seem to like the source material and it shows. The titles are ghastly, though.
21:04 <godix> And, sadly, a large number of people who've seen EoE don't seem to have understood a thing about what was happening.
21:04 <quadir> godix: I find EoE vids fail because they are 150% GO GO GO from the beginning, this one seemed to build up nicely
21:04 <jonnkakarotto> I've not seen that many EoE vids in my time, so I'm looking forward to this one
21:04 <Fall_Child42> EoE i found had alot in comparison with Lain
21:05 <jonnkakarotto> when it finishes in 2 hours
21:05 <godix> quadir: True. EoE is real easy to make into a straight action video with no substance. Which, in a way, ties into my problem of people not understanding it. EoE is not an action show.
21:05 <quadir> Otohiko: do note that movies and short films put the title after a short 'intro' often
21:05 <Fall_Child42> Quadir yes
21:05 <Otohiko> oh, I know
21:05 <Otohiko> but that's not a movie or short
21:05 <Fall_Child42> but not in MASSIVE SCREEN COVERING LETTERS
21:05 <Otohiko> it's an music video
21:05 <jonnkakarotto> godix: true, but the action elements highlight certain aspects of the characters, if I'm not mistaken. I'd have to watch the thing again.
21:06 <teya> i thought is was fairly well done
21:06 <G_Q> Op'd
21:06 <teya> but creepy
21:06 <godix> jonnkakarotto: It highlights asuka's approach to problems and why it fails so hard.
21:06 <teya> not sure if less or more creepy than EoE itself
21:06 <jonnkakarotto> right. that's what it was
21:06 <G_Q> I thought that it was a good effort, but in the end, it's a "has-been, done-that". :(
21:07 <G_Q> There wasn't anything I thought stood out, and the titles did nothing to make me enjoy it more -- actually, I think I enjoyed it less. :\
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21:08 <quadir> I'm a pretty big fan of the video action -> audio reaction editing style, and I thought he pulled that off in a few places really well
21:08 <Fall_Child42> I really like the Moon Planet Sych near the end
21:09 <Otohiko> yea, the planet thing was a definite highlight
21:09 <CrackTheSky> Did Mandrake enable effects as something gradable?
21:09 <CrackTheSky> (I write all my ops in Notepad first)
21:10 <Fall_Child42> CrackTheSky: no
21:10 <Fall_Child42> neith lipsynch
21:10 <godix> I liked his syncing. He did a rather good job of not going overboard with music sync, not going literal with lyric sync, and having a decent bit of mood sync. Not the best job in the world at syncing but pretty good.
21:10 <CrackTheSky> Ok
21:10 <quadir> I thought the eye at the end was freaky
21:10 <quadir> it was like a reverse drum as the song dies
21:10 <CrackTheSky> I liked the eye >_>
21:10 <Otohiko> indeed, I thought the editing was very adequate
21:10 <Arkada> I second the likeing of the eye
21:10 <Otohiko> the only problem is that it's an eva video so it automatically might get buried with all the other adequate eva videos
21:10 <CrackTheSky> I liked the last scene, where Rei opens her eyes
21:10 <CrackTheSky> Good way to end the video
21:11 <quadir> godix: well there was a bit of everything there
21:11 <Fall_Child42> lol I am they highest rater
21:11 <godix> Otohiko: Yeah, I mentioned that as well. In the end it's a semi-decent eva video and I've seen hundreds of those.
21:11 <quadir> Otohiko: except this one was RE-VIEWED
21:11 <Fall_Child42> I'm a softie when it comes to marking
21:11 <Fall_Child42> :\
21:11 <godix> FC: Suckup.
21:11 <Otohiko> I'm even softie-er
21:11 <Fall_Child42> I know :|
21:11 <Otohiko> my star rating is around 4.5 average
21:11 <Fall_Child42> Oto ouch.
21:11 <Otohiko> haha
21:12 <Fall_Child42> well mines up there too
21:12 <Otohiko> don't mind us hippies
21:12 <Arkada> The end seams like its missing something, the eye is good yes but bit more bang might have been nice
21:12 <jonnkakarotto> if it isn't, so help me...
21:12 <godix> FC: Do you know anything about eva?
21:12 <teya> eye thing very good
21:12 <Fall_Child42> I do indeed
21:12 <teya> and ack, i can't keep up..
21:12 <Fall_Child42> though I havn't watched it quite a while
21:13 <godix> FC: Then why would you say he must have used platnium source for the EoE movie? Platnium release was for the TV series not the movie. And the movie has ALWAYS been easier to work with than the TV series.
21:14 <Fall_Child42> Because I didt read the Video notes
21:14 <godix> heh.
21:14 <Fall_Child42> And assumed he mixed and matched
21:14 <Fall_Child42> :O
21:14 <quadir> it was so nice to see a EoE vid that didn't use the flying evas tearing up the mech
21:14 <Fall_Child42> I should probably go change that
21:14 <Otohiko> as far as the source... I can sympathise with the poorer source quality and all, but it'd sure benefit from some proper filtering and better compression
21:14 <godix> quadir: Or any of asukas battle I don't think.
21:15 <Arkada> Most big eva fight scenes have been overdone by now though.
21:15 <quadir> godix: its funny because half+ of his scenes are 'big finisher' scenes in most eva vids
21:15 <quadir> godix: and yet this video is so slow paced and slow building
21:15 <Otohiko> oh, and about scenes...
21:16 <Fall_Child42> Does EOE have the same Filtering Problems the TV show had?
21:16 <godix> quadir: That's because he actually seems to have had a point to the video while most eva videos just go for a catchy scene to end with.
21:16 <godix> FC: No. Nothing near the same problems.
21:16 <Otohiko> I should give him credit for the fact that the video uses all those massively-abused scenes for source, and yet it didn't get annoying at any point
21:16 <Fall_Child42> oh
21:16 <CrackTheSky> I really liked the concept of this video
21:16 <CrackTheSky> Like I said earlier >_>
21:16 <Fall_Child42> I never ripped it, but still.
21:16 <Otohiko> not surprising as far as scene choices, but at least decently done and well-justified with things like lyrics
21:17 <Otohiko> and relatively decent structure
21:17 <Arkada> Crack: concept was good, the music had a nice flow to it as well
21:17 <godix> Eh, I suppose I do have something nice to say about the video. Guess I'll go put something in the 'good' category.
21:17 <Otohiko> could've done with a few less explosions maybe
21:17 <Fall_Child42> there i fixed it
21:17 <CrackTheSky> haha Oto
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21:17 <quadir> I really liked how at 2:04 the song is going all echoing stretchy and the footage is this huge pan-out
21:17 <quadir> I thought it really fit the music
21:17 <CrackTheSky> Yeah, that was the best part
21:17 <Arkada> It does do that.
21:18 <Fall_Child42> is that the planet thing?
21:18 <CrackTheSky> FC: Yeah
21:18 <Arkada> yeah
21:18 <Otohiko> the planet thing is awesome
21:18 <Otohiko> as I said, highlight of the vid
21:18 <Arkada> nice choice of scenes for the overlay
21:18 <Otohiko> simple but effective editing solution
21:18 <Fall_Child42> I didn't like the "flashy" part with the drumrolls
21:18 <Fall_Child42> EVERYONE does that
21:18 <Fall_Child42> it's lame
21:18 <quadir> well 3:25 is flying over the planet 'the skies are full of angel holograms' and there are crosses everywhere
21:18 <quadir> that was pretty powerful
21:19 <Arkada> Crosses are a big symbol, thats why
21:19 <godix> I liked the planet part where he actually synced the moon and sun appeared with the song. Nice touch.
21:19 <CrackTheSky> FC: I agree that everyone does it...but I actually didn't mind it
21:19 <quadir> he was trying to do something with 'velvet' in a few places
21:19 <quadir> by going purple
21:19 <godix> It's really easy to do with EoE. Some of the footage damn near begs to be used that way.
21:19 <Fall_Child42> I really didt thing it went with the rest of the smooth flowing bits
21:19 <quadir> you can see it mostly in 2 parts, one being the title
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21:21 <Fall_Child42> So EoE, it has something to do with the Universal Consciousness theories?
21:21 <CrackTheSky> FC: something like that ._.
21:22 <quadir> a few places shots seemed pretty random
21:22 <quadir> but they were relly shortlived
21:22 <godix> I never noticed it before. The huge white rei has titties. the human rei doesn't
21:22 <teya> quadir: it's hard to get a scene for everything
21:22 <Arkada> quadir: really? how so?
21:22 <Otohiko> I think the random shots are mostly because of limited footage
21:22 <quadir> Arkada: I thought 2:54 was really random
21:22 <quadir> I wondered what it had to do with anything
21:23 <Otohiko> it's no accident I said 'could've used a few less explosions', those were primarily fillers I believe
21:23 <Arkada> With the many eyes?
21:23 <Otohiko> and it's kinda hard to avoid fillers when you're only working with 1 movie
21:23 <quadir> yeah
21:23 <quadir> the spear holding with the eyes opening
21:23 <Arkada> In a way it fits with the end does it not?
21:23 <Arkada> with eyes and such
21:23 <quadir> hm
21:24 <quadir> its funny but 50% of the reasons I like this video is for what it's NOT
21:24 <Otohiko> haha
21:24 <Arkada> heh
21:24 <Otohiko> I wouldn't go that far but there's truth in that
21:24 <quadir> how it used the plane misile firing shot but not 3000 tank shots
21:25 <godix> I never understood why people did the tank shots. They had like zero point in the movie.
21:25 <CrackTheSky> He did a good job of keeping almost all the shots to Rei
21:25 <Otohiko> I mean even on the concept level it's good for the things it's not
21:25 <quadir> how it wasn't all gore... and all the fight scenes everyone uses
21:25 <CrackTheSky> The scenes around 0:58 look outta place, though
21:25 <quadir> CrackTheSky: yeah, he really did
21:25 <quadir> CrackTheSky: kept to the concept, even with the flying mechs around her
21:25 <polecat> I thought the lyric sync and general mood matching of this vid were excellent, it's nothing special technically but it was worth watching just for that.
21:25 <quadir> CrackTheSky: they are reoccuring but fit with HER in this vid
21:26 <godix> CrackTheSky: The misoto dying scene?
21:26 <CrackTheSky> Yeah
21:26 <quadir> polecat: well the sync to the music changes (non-lyrical) were pretty constant with slow fades
21:26 <godix> crack: I think that's there because he was sticking to the story of EoE and that scene is pretty damn important for Shinji's later actions.
21:26 <Otohiko> the sync was basic in that sense, but it worked decently
21:27 <Arkada> I liked around 2:45 with all the lights and the "hologram" lyrics.
21:27 <Arkada> seemed to fit somehow
21:27 <quadir> I keep trying to dislike the change to blue-filter for the 'velvet black' but I just can't, he doesn't overdo it and the 3 times he does it I just feel it puts it all back in perspective
21:27 <CrackTheSky> godix: I suppose, but this video doesn't really delve into Shinji at all
21:27 <Fall_Child42> I would watch it more if the title wasn't jammed in my face like a penis would be i was the fresh fish in a max security prison.
21:27 <G_Q> There were points where it seemed dissynchronous, though.
21:28 <Fall_Child42> <godix> it has cheeks it's kind the same thing
21:28 <godix> crack: Did you not notice the end was all about shinji rejecting instrumentality and making the huge goddess rei fall apart? While he wasn't on screen, the later part of the video is all about shinji
21:28 <G_Q> The video uses beat-synched flashes at times, but then doesn't follow up after.
21:28 <Otohiko> eh, sync wasn't a huge focus here though
21:28 <quadir> godix: hm, I hadn't really thought about it
21:29 <Otohiko> in fact I think the editor here did everything to avoid focusing the viewer on the editing, which in a sense works
21:29 <quadir> Otohiko: hm, yeah near 2/5 of the way through I noticed that
21:29 <quadir> Otohiko: goes b&w and everything
21:29 <quadir> Otohiko: but then forgets about it with a straight cut
21:29 <CrackTheSky> godix: Actually I hadn't <_<
21:29 <godix> Like I said, this video looks like he's following the story of EoE exactly which means the same elements that are important in the movie are important in the video.
21:29 <Otohiko> that b&w was a little cheap I thought
21:30 <Otohiko> I personally didn't think it followed the movie that closely
21:30 <Otohiko> nor did it focus on shinji much, like the movie did
21:30 <quadir> Otohiko: it fit if he did something after it, which he didn't
21:30 <Otohiko> ...thank god for that?
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21:30 <CrackTheSky> I agree with Oto
21:30 <Otohiko> yea, well, consistency
21:30 <quadir> Otohiko: it's like doing something really really cool, then tripping when trying to walk away
21:30 <Otohiko> one of the main rules of good editing choices, I guess
21:30 <G_Q> It focuses on Rei, the "Hand of God".
21:31 <G_Q> That was evident from beginning to end.
21:31 <godix> Otohiko: Obviously he didn't focus on Shinji but by covering Rei falling apart he incorperated shinji. Although you had to see the movie to recognize that.
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21:31 <Otohiko> well you can't avoid covering shinji, he's only like... the main character
21:31 <Otohiko> not that I have anything against him in the video of course
21:31 <Fall_Child42> mabey YOU can't
21:31 <Fall_Child42> :o
21:31 <G_Q> Oto: It's not his journey alone.
21:32 <G_Q> There are three main distinct characters.
21:32 <Otohiko> we know, we know
21:32 <godix> Maybe 'following the video' isn't the right way to phrase what I mean.
21:32 <quadir> I would of liked the titles more if he didn't turn down the gama/put a filter behind em
21:33 <quadir> I know it probably made them look better but the noticable change was distracting
21:33 <quadir> even if he had just kept them darker for the whole scene
21:33 <Arkada> quadir: I just diden't like the font
21:33 <Arkada> didn't fit
21:33 <godix> The huge white Rei is, obviously, instrumentality. The start has a few things that motivated shinji into rejecting instrumentality. The end is the conseqences of him rejecting it. So while the focus is on Rei, or more accurately instrumentality, the influences of shinji are covered as well even though he's not on screen.
21:33 <polecat> The titles were completely unnecessary, it's not like the chorus lyrics are hard to figure out
21:34 <CrackTheSky> Hahaha
21:34 <godix> Which is all exactly the same as it was in the movie. He didn't try making the video different from EoE and to get the video you pretty much have to already know and get EoE to begin with.
21:34 <quadir> well, a vid gotta have titles!
21:34 <Arkada> Polecat: aggred
21:34 <quadir> and editor logos!
21:34 <Arkada> lol
21:34 <Arkada> I think the titles came in too late as well to be effective
21:34 <quadir> godix: the video works without series context though
21:35 <quadir> godix: since the imagery was used pretty well
21:35 <quadir> maybe you just don't get as much out of it
21:35 <shumira_chan> I think godix's comments denote the AMV's greatest weakness: if one cares not about the source material, the AMV has very little to say.
21:35 <Otohiko> I think you still need some context, obviously
21:35 <polecat> I haven't even seen EoE and I still got a lot out of it
21:35 <godix> quadir: Does it? Since I have series context I can't judge it without that. However I find it difficult to believe anyone would understand what's happening in the video without series context.
21:35 <quadir> shumira_chan: I'm not sure about that
21:35 <polecat> because the themes are pretty obvious
21:36 <Otohiko> I'd agree, I think it does require some knowledge/appreciation of eva
21:36 <CrackTheSky> Seems pretty self-explanatory to me...
21:36 <polecat> It still works if you just see it as a collection of dramatic nihilistic images
21:36 <shumira_chan> If I show this vid to a non-anime fan I doubt they'll care for it at all. There's nothing an uninterested party can relate to.
21:36 <godix> I wouldn't say it's a weakness neccessarily. Some videos are meant to directly reflect on and comment on the source. In which case you have to know the source. THat's not a drawback, just an aspect of making videos. Some have it some don't.
21:36 <quadir> yeah, I mean giant eve-like chick killing everything
21:36 <Otohiko> it works as a collection of images, but how well?
21:37 <Arkada> It has a big relegious theme to it.
21:37 <teya> i don't think series context mattered at all in this one
21:37 <G_Q> Not so much religious, I thought.
21:37 <Otohiko> suppose you can scare people with it or use it to make people curious about it
21:37 <teya> eh? it was religious
21:37 <Otohiko> about the series I mean
21:37 <G_Q> Though, in context of who Rei Ayanami represents, maybe.
21:38 <Arkada> even with the angel lyrics, the crosses and so forth?
21:38 <shumira_chan> I'd say that the editor's intention is to simply set an anime he likes to a song he likes, and made a nice video out that idea. Not everything has to be the Spanish Inquisition.
21:38 <CrackTheSky> Eva has a lot of religious symbols and meaning behind it
21:38 <Arkada> Shumira: very true
21:38 <CrackTheSky> So obviously that'll carry over, especially in a video like this
21:38 <G_Q> Crack: Especially Rei.
21:39 <godix> I don't know. I doubt someone not familiar with Eva would even really get why Rei is 'the face of god' much less naything else. I suppose it can be viewed as random dark images but that's not what the creator meant it to be I'm sure.
21:39 <Arkada> Crack: I remember hearing someone say that your not a eva fan if you haven't read the bible in search of eva refrences
21:39 <CrackTheSky> Arkada: lulz
21:41 <quadir> okay roll-call, sumarise you opinions and we'll move on to the bonus vid
21:42 <teya> even if he didn't intend it to be religious, the song and the scene choices that go with it make it have a lot of religious reference
21:42 <teya> not a spanish inquisition sort, just.. it's there
21:42 <shumira_chan> I could hardly make out what the song is saying, BTW...
21:42 <G_Q> quadir: An interesting music + video combination, but it didn't really hook me into it. :(
21:42 <teya> it was creepy =D
21:42 <CrackTheSky> shumira_chan: What, the titles didn't give you any hints?
21:43 <shumira_chan> Um, did the titles have the entire lyrics?
21:43 <teya> no
21:43 <Arkada> no but the chorus was the title
21:43 <godix> Opinion summarized: If I hadn't already seen hundreds of Eva videos I'd really like this despite it's massive technical flaws. Since I have seen hundreds of eva videos I thought this was decent but I'm not going to keep it or anything.
21:43 <Otohiko> it grew on me as I watched it more, and I can honestly see the editor did a good and honest job arranging it and trying to convey an essence of the movie in a positive way
21:43 <teya> ^^^ agreed to the 2nd part
21:43 <polecat> yeah, I think he succeeded in doing what he set out to do
21:43 <shumira_chan> Well, but the chorus is just the chorus... usually the least important part of a song (from the lyrical perspective).
21:44 <Otohiko> the problem is that it'll get buried in the hundreds of other eva vids as godix says since there's not enough to warrant calling it outstanding
21:44 <quadir> I liked the video, and I found it pretty reviewable and the song non-annoying, it had this subtle beat with good sync that you don't mind seeing again
21:44 <Otohiko> and then the fact that it could've been technically a little bit better-presented
21:44 <Arkada> Relegious themes were intresting even if not intended. The song choise is not annoying but probability not someting I would go and pick up. In general though I liked it
21:45 <Otohiko> oh, props on the anime+song combination, wasn't forced, wasn't annoying, pretty natural overall
21:45 <godix> Yeah. Wrong aspect ratio. Uncompressed audio. Frame blending. The guy really needs to work on his technical skills.
21:45 <polecat> that was an inspired match - he must have had one of those "epiphanies"
21:45 <teya> is it just me, or did parts of it look faded?
21:45 <teya> or washed out
21:45 <CrackTheSky> Finally got the op up
21:45 <polecat> the sky opens, and a voice booms out "thou shalt make this AMV"
21:45 <Arkada> teya: they were
21:46 <teya> k
21:46 <quadir> polecat: haha
21:46 <Arkada> Pole: right after I Read <a href=http://www.a-m-v.org/guides/avtech31/>ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides</a>
21:46 <polecat> he didn't have time, he was on a mission from god. Or Rei.
21:46 <Arkada> true
21:47 <Arkada> one should act instantly in that case
21:47 <godix> I find when getting messages from god it's probably a good idea to take a moment and talk to someone about it first. I mean look at how many mass murders were done because god talked to the wrong person.
21:48 <Arkada> godix: lulz
21:48 <Otohiko> some people also thought they were god and killed people because of it
Bonus Video:
This video should be considered a companion to Ed Sum's "Come Sail Away" (created during the same timeframe in 1999 and using the same anime and a different version of the song, no dl unfortunatly)
Link: Omar Jenkins - 1999 - Come Sail Away Tylor...
Editor: Omar Jenkins (Waldo)
Category: Fun
Anime: Irresponsible CAptain Tylor
Song: Eric Cartman - Come Sail Away
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2007-04-16: Petro's "Red String"
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Post by quadir » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:50 pm

on godix's anus wrote:20:40 <godix> quadir: I got a talking anus segment here that no one will accept in a MEP. Want me to submit that for next week?
20:41 <quadir> godix: submit it if you want, as long as it's got a dl link on an org profile
20:42 <jonnkakarotto> wait
20:42 <jonnkakarotto> can you lipsync with an anus?
20:42 <teya> haven't you seen ace ventura?
20:42 <godix> jonnkakarotto: Yes you can. I did.
20:42 <jonnkakarotto> well, technically those aren't lips
20:43 <godix> Well, they're cheeks. It's kinda close to the same thing.
20:43 <jonnkakarotto> godix: I look forward to seeing it
20:43 <jonnkakarotto> in a very odd kind of way
on opinions wrote:20:50 <Fall_Child42> WTF is with the title Text
20:50 <Fall_Child42> Overall I actually enjoyed it
20:50 <CrackTheSky> I think it's a pretty unique Eva AMV...I haven't seen many Eva AMVs that focus on the "Rei is God" angle
21:02 <Otohiko> I'm positive about it too
21:02 <Otohiko> not over-enthused, but the guy seems to be on the right track
21:02 <shumira_chan> It's a nice vid
21:02 <Otohiko> he certainly tackled the whole eva thing pretty well
21:02 <quadir> I'm not sure if I've ever seen an EoE vid I liked before
21:03 <Fall_Child42> the text Title at the beginning still pisses me off alot though
21:03 <quadir> yeah putting the title a few secs in seems weird
21:03 <Otohiko> a few secs in and with odd delays there too
21:03 <Otohiko> it makes it seem like it's supposedly part of the 'body' of the video
21:03 <shumira_chan> I don't like EVA, and the songs does nothing for me, but the editor does seem to like the source material and it shows. The titles are ghastly, though.
21:06 <teya> i thought is was fairly well done
21:06 <G_Q> I thought that it was a good effort, but in the end, it's a "has-been, done-that". :(
21:07 <G_Q> There wasn't anything I thought stood out, and the titles did nothing to make me enjoy it more -- actually, I think I enjoyed it less. :\
21:08 <quadir> I'm a pretty big fan of the video action -> audio reaction editing style, and I thought he pulled that off in a few places really well
21:08 <Fall_Child42> I really like the Moon Planet Sych near the end
21:09 <Otohiko> yea, the planet thing was a definite highlight
21:10 <godix> I liked his syncing. He did a rather good job of not going overboard with music sync, not going literal with lyric sync, and having a decent bit of mood sync. Not the best job in the world at syncing but pretty good.
21:10 <quadir> I thought the eye at the end was freaky
21:10 <quadir> it was like a reverse drum as the song dies
21:10 <CrackTheSky> I liked the eye >_>
21:10 <Arkada> I second the likeing of the eye
21:10 <CrackTheSky> I liked the last scene, where Rei opens her eyes
21:10 <CrackTheSky> Good way to end the video
21:17 <quadir> I really liked how at 2:04 the song is going all echoing stretchy and the footage is this huge pan-out
21:17 <quadir> I thought it really fit the music
21:17 <CrackTheSky> Yeah, that was the best part
21:17 <Arkada> It does do that.
21:18 <Fall_Child42> is that the planet thing?
21:18 <CrackTheSky> FC: Yeah
21:18 <Arkada> yeah
21:18 <Otohiko> the planet thing is awesome
21:18 <Otohiko> as I said, highlight of the vid
21:25 <polecat> I thought the lyric sync and general mood matching of this vid were excellent, it's nothing special technically but it was worth watching just for that.
21:27 <Fall_Child42> I would watch it more if the title wasn't jammed in my face like a penis would be i was the fresh fish in a max security prison.
21:28 <Otohiko> eh, sync wasn't a huge focus here though
21:29 <Otohiko> in fact I think the editor here did everything to avoid focusing the viewer on the editing, which in a sense works
21:43 <godix> Opinion summarized: If I hadn't already seen hundreds of Eva videos I'd really like this despite it's massive technical flaws. Since I have seen hundreds of eva videos I thought this was decent but I'm not going to keep it or anything.
21:43 <Otohiko> it grew on me as I watched it more, and I can honestly see the editor did a good and honest job arranging it and trying to convey an essence of the movie in a positive way
21:43 <polecat> yeah, I think he succeeded in doing what he set out to do
21:44 <quadir> I liked the video, and I found it pretty reviewable and the song non-annoying, it had this subtle beat with good sync that you don't mind seeing again
21:44 <Arkada> Relegious themes were intresting even if not intended. The song choise is not annoying but probability not someting I would go and pick up. In general though I liked it
21:45 <polecat> that was an inspired match - he must have had one of those "epiphanies"
21:45 <polecat> the sky opens, and a voice booms out "thou shalt make this AMV"
21:46 <Arkada> Pole: right after I Read <a href=http://www.a-m-v.org/guides/avtech31/>ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides</a>
on EoE wrote:21:03 <godix> quadir: EoE videos usually fail because they almost require that not only have you seen EoE but that you understood it as well.
21:02 <quadir> I'm not sure if I've ever seen an EoE vid I liked before
21:05 <godix> quadir: True. EoE is real easy to make into a straight action video with no substance. Which, in a way, ties into my problem of people not understanding it. EoE is not an action show.
21:10 <Otohiko> the only problem is that it's an eva video so it automatically might get buried with all the other adequate eva videos
21:14 <quadir> it was so nice to see a EoE vid that didn't use the flying evas tearing up the mech
21:14 <godix> quadir: Or any of asukas battle I don't think.
21:15 <Arkada> Most big eva fight scenes have been overdone by now though.
21:15 <quadir> godix: its funny because half+ of his scenes are 'big finisher' scenes in most eva vids
21:15 <quadir> godix: and yet this video is so slow paced and slow building
21:16 <godix> quadir: That's because he actually seems to have had a point to the video while most eva videos just go for a catchy scene to end with.
21:16 <Otohiko> I should give him credit for the fact that the video uses all those massively-abused scenes for source, and yet it didn't get annoying at any point
21:24 <quadir> its funny but 50% of the reasons I like this video is for what it's NOT
21:24 <Otohiko> haha
21:24 <Arkada> heh
21:24 <Otohiko> I wouldn't go that far but there's truth in that
21:24 <quadir> how it used the plane misile firing shot but not 3000 tank shots
21:25 <godix> I never understood why people did the tank shots. They had like zero point in the movie.
21:25 <CrackTheSky> He did a good job of keeping almost all the shots to Rei
21:25 <Otohiko> I mean even on the concept level it's good for the things it's not
21:25 <quadir> how it wasn't all gore... and all the fight scenes everyone uses
21:26 <godix> crack: I think that's there because he was sticking to the story of EoE and that scene is pretty damn important for Shinji's later actions.
21:27 <CrackTheSky> godix: I suppose, but this video doesn't really delve into Shinji at all
21:28 <godix> crack: Did you not notice the end was all about shinji rejecting instrumentality and making the huge goddess rei fall apart? While he wasn't on screen, the later part of the video is all about shinji
21:29 <godix> Like I said, this video looks like he's following the story of EoE exactly which means the same elements that are important in the movie are important in the video.
21:30 <Otohiko> I personally didn't think it followed the movie that closely
21:30 <Otohiko> nor did it focus on shinji much, like the movie did
21:30 <CrackTheSky> I agree with Oto
21:30 <G_Q> It focuses on Rei, the "Hand of God".
21:31 <G_Q> That was evident from beginning to end.
21:31 <godix> Otohiko: Obviously he didn't focus on Shinji but by covering Rei falling apart he incorperated shinji. Although you had to see the movie to recognize that.
21:31 <Otohiko> well you can't avoid covering shinji, he's only like... the main character
21:33 <godix> The huge white Rei is, obviously, instrumentality. The start has a few things that motivated shinji into rejecting instrumentality. The end is the conseqences of him rejecting it. So while the focus is on Rei, or more accurately instrumentality, the influences of shinji are covered as well even though he's not on screen.
21:34 <godix> Which is all exactly the same as it was in the movie. He didn't try making the video different from EoE and to get the video you pretty much have to already know and get EoE to begin with.
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Post by quadir » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:41 pm

Just wanted to remind peeps that we're still taking video suggestions, so please send em in. We're on for tomorrow @ 8:30 as usual.

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Post by quadir » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:32 pm

Someone asked to be reminded here day-of so here it is, #amv-review tonight @ 8:30pm EDT. See you there.

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Post by Kitsuner » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:07 pm

quadir wrote:Someone asked to be reminded here day-of so here it is, #amv-review tonight @ 8:30pm EDT. See you there.
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Post by quadir » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:21 pm

Kitsuner wrote:
quadir wrote:Someone asked to be reminded here day-of so here it is, #amv-review tonight @ 8:30pm EDT. See you there.
What's the difference between EST and EDT?
1 hour. Eastern Standard Time. Eastern Daylight Time, so it depends if you are forward or backwards an hour, I always forget when they are though :( Are we out of EDT already?

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Post by quadir » Mon May 07, 2007 6:41 pm

For those of you who wanted Ed Sum's version of Come Sail Away, I've uploaded it to Minion's vault

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