Anime Expo AMV Contest 2007 Update

XStylus · Post by **XStylus** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:47 am

Corran wrote: This may be a little bit of a stretch since it isn't something I've witnessed often, but if the best video in the drama category leaves the viewers awestruck or sad, there might not be much audible cheering compared to other videos in the same category.

Good point. For drama, viewers need time to digest the video they had just seen if it's a rather moving or emotional one.

I don't think that'd be a problem though. The "cheering tally" obviously won't be done immediately after a particular video is shown. A recap reel will likely be used, and the audience would clap for their favorite during that time. By the time that reel is played, they'll likely have chosen which video to sound their appreciation for.

The Wired Knight · Post by **The Wired Knight** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:49 pm

Kalium wrote:Suggestion: tell the audience. If they know their reactions are being used to judge, they will react accordingly. Or so my experience suggests.

I think the audience has always been aware of that so I doubt that will solve the problem.

I agree that it doesn't matter a lot for "best video" but for the individual catagories it is more problematic. In catagories such as drama people don't cheer a lot so instead there are applause.

However there aren't really any other options. It was moved out of Masquerade because 1. People got antsy and were tired of the videos and 2. It would delay the masquerade awards (not that they aren't slow to come out allready) but it would make that run a lot longer than necessary.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:53 pm

I find it ironic how the new programming head seems to want to support amv's but the tried and true method of expo is that the moment they have any sort of 'event' that necessitates space, that it will still be the first event to get screwed.

And yes audience cheering is a terrible way to judge. The readers often are terrible in any significantly large venue and the only categories that typically will get the loud responses at all are comedy. Otherwise you get rather uniform applause. 1/4 or 100% it is a horribly inconsistent measurement and it is why contests do not use them.

And to think, this is before anything blew up for this year...

In all seriousness, the fact an intermediate had to even post that info says how well respected amv's and the editors are at expo. Every year we hear 'oh we want to improve' and yet it never does get past bad with the occasional dips into the realm of disaster. This is the type of thing that makes AX entirely disrespected by the creators.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:59 pm

Yes, I agree... Again the meter is fine for best overall as it's 1/4 of the vote, but the audiances cheers is a poor way to judge categories. Sometime people cheer something more for the anime although they would vote different...

In my opinion, the categories are almost best left for judges, or still ballots, so what that they don't hand out category winners right away, maybe at the closing ceremonies they could or something like that.. I know it's better to hand them out there, but the winning video is based on "Heat of the moment" decisions based on a meter's reading!

I remember one year a video won by 1 db.. The acuraccy of the Meter is usually +/- 1!!! SO if was a fluke! Other times, the audiance maxed out the meter twice, and the one that held it longest won!! What a way to win with just dumb luck

Vlad

The Wired Knight · Post by **The Wired Knight** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:42 am

Illia Sadri wrote: In all seriousness, the fact an intermediate had to even post that info says how well respected amv's and the editors are at expo. Every year we hear 'oh we want to improve' and yet it never does get past bad with the occasional dips into the realm of disaster. This is the type of thing that makes AX entirely disrespected by the creators.

Actually that's mistaken. The info was sent to the AMV mailing list by the contest heads. Xstylus just decided to pass the info on over to here. They did communicate with us directly; they just use the amv mailing list over the boards.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:15 am

Point being they should be posting to the org and the mailing list. Not everyone is on the mailing list. Does not change the fact it is poor form.

And yes it is still pretty bad because for how many years have we heard that it will get better only for every year we hear just how badly Expo screws up their contest. A lot of editors simply refuse to submit to the largest con in the country as a result.

outlawed · Post by **outlawed** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:02 pm

Illia Sadri wrote:Point being they should be posting to the org

From one perspective. From another one would say that they made a wise decision to not post here yet =p

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:19 pm

ahahhaa well your take is more in lines with they rather not get reamed for basically screwing the event for however many years it has been now.

But if they actually WANTED most of the editors to know, they would be posting here. But yeah if they want to give lipservice without making it too well known that they basically are screwing things yet again then they posted in the right place.

outlawed · Post by **outlawed** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:22 pm

The reality though is that if they want feedback the ML is probably the first place they should post since they have a long history of getting that there.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:02 pm

Well the ML is a good place but should also be posted on the org. I count myself as one of the many people who simply are not that fond of mailing lists. It should be posted in all the major spots where people would look for info concerning their contest.

But with their reputation in the community it might have been better for it not to be made public.