Copyright Infringement and a-m-v.org

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Copyright Infringement and a-m-v.org

Post by Dark Butterfly » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:04 am

If this is in the wrong section or someone has already made this topic i'm very sorry. :sweat:

I was wondering since YouTube(c) seems to be getting rid of amv's due to "copyright infringement" due to third parties apparently almost suing or reporting on amv's and even having accounts suspended/removed because of this. How come this site can still have amv's up when its kinda breaking the law, i know some time ago the admin talked to Amy Lee and she said she didn't want anyone making amv's with her music on it so because of this anyone on this site who had a video with one of her songs on it got removed. but now Yomiuri Telecasting Corp is removing all InuYasha amv's but they seem to be perfectly safe here. ok ok i'll cut right to the chase:

How come this site hasn't gotten nailed for copyright infringement?

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Post by Minion » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:10 am

the org isn't as mainstream as boochsack. thats pretty much it.

phade talked to amy lee? first time i've heard that. i assumed he just talked to some record company lawyer
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Post by Dark Butterfly » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:24 am

Minion wrote:
phade talked to amy lee? first time i've heard that. i assumed he just talked to some record company lawyer
Ah now i remember clearly^^; *smacks head* It was one of the record company lawyer i think (correct me if I'm wrong) he put that as a topic on the fourms and in the front page in the news section.

mainstream is the only issue? whoa i guess youtube wants absolutely no animation of any kind anime or north american. Touchy. T3T

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Post by CrackTheSky » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:37 am

There's already a thorough discussion of this problem here. Quite an interesting read, too.

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Post by Gox777 » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:52 am

1. We're the ones that buy anime dvds.
2. No matter how you look at it, AMVs on this site do more good than bad to the sales of the original works. It's the same as with fansubs; they spark interest and help spread music and anime that others aren't familiar with. Companies turn a blind eye.
3. A lot of AMVs are caught in the crossfire when companies ask youtube to remove all videos containing footage of the anime. Their main intent is to get rid of the full length episodes, but the AMVs are deleted too.

And yes, this has been discussed numerous times...
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Post by Infinity Squared » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:11 am

Gox777 wrote:2. No matter how you look at it, AMVs on this site do more good than bad to the sales of the original works. It's the same as with fansubs; they spark interest and help spread music and anime that others aren't familiar with. Companies turn a blind eye.
This is becoming an outdated concept. I am more under the impression now that we are breaking even rather than either doing good or bad in the eyes of the anime companies. When it was much more of a niche thing, every little bit of publicity that anime can get was worth letting ahead of, but right now anime has moved quite a bit to almost mainstream and the advertising and self promotion of anime has gone beyond the need for a continued abuse of AMVers and fansubbers of their copyright.
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Post by CrackTheSky » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:21 am

Infinity Squared wrote:
Gox777 wrote:2. No matter how you look at it, AMVs on this site do more good than bad to the sales of the original works. It's the same as with fansubs; they spark interest and help spread music and anime that others aren't familiar with. Companies turn a blind eye.
This is becoming an outdated concept. I am more under the impression now that we are breaking even rather than either doing good or bad in the eyes of the anime companies. When it was much more of a niche thing, every little bit of publicity that anime can get was worth letting ahead of, but right now anime has moved quite a bit to almost mainstream and the advertising and self promotion of anime has gone beyond the need for a continued abuse of AMVers and fansubbers of their copyright.
That doesn't make sense though. People don't watch AMVs for the anime, so to speak. Like, there's no reason for anime companies to worry about AMVs doing any damage to their sales, because AMVs are fragments of footage. But I also understand that companies are unwilling to compromise their copyrights for any reason. I can see that they wouldn't want to set a double-standard.

Regardless, I think the issue is more on the music side of things. While you don't get full anime epsiodes with AMVs, you DO get full songs for free. Even though it's more trouble than it's worth to demux AMVs and convert the audio files, it IS more believable to think that music companies would get upset over that than anime companies getting upset over their footage being used in music videos.

I feel like I'm repeating what's been said a billion times already.

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Post by James Sharp » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:21 am

I believe that going after amv makers would be a waste of power and money.

You see these businesses are only attacking sites and programs that are mainstream. and a-m-v.org is hardly mainstream..

Think of it thisway..

most of the places that got shutdown had one or all of the below things happen to them.

1: they had been published in a tech mag
2: they had been discussed on prime time television shows..
3: They had received huge boosts of misuse in the few months before their demise.



So this site is nothing near a problem.. because the only people that care about this site are the amv makers.. and thank god too.

Lets just be glad no one is shutting this place down.. havent you ever heard the term dont look a gift horse in the mouth?
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Post by James Sharp » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:24 am

CrackTheSky wrote:
Infinity Squared wrote:
Gox777 wrote:2. No matter how you look at it, AMVs on this site do more good than bad to the sales of the original works. It's the same as with fansubs; they spark interest and help spread music and anime that others aren't familiar with. Companies turn a blind eye.
This is becoming an outdated concept. I am more under the impression now that we are breaking even rather than either doing good or bad in the eyes of the anime companies. When it was much more of a niche thing, every little bit of publicity that anime can get was worth letting ahead of, but right now anime has moved quite a bit to almost mainstream and the advertising and self promotion of anime has gone beyond the need for a continued abuse of AMVers and fansubbers of their copyright.
That doesn't make sense though. People don't watch AMVs for the anime, so to speak. Like, there's no reason for anime companies to worry about AMVs doing any damage to their sales, because AMVs are fragments of footage. But I also understand that companies are unwilling to compromise their copyrights for any reason. I can see that they wouldn't want to set a double-standard.

Regardless, I think the issue is more on the music side of things. While you don't get full anime epsiodes with AMVs, you DO get full songs for free. Even though it's more trouble than it's worth to demux AMVs and convert the audio files, it IS more believable to think that music companies would get upset over that than anime companies getting upset over their footage being used in music videos.

I feel like I'm repeating what's been said a billion times already.

ya but why would anyone download 50 mb of amv just for one song?

especially when they could pop on music city morphias and grab 15 songs in the same amount of time..

so the music industry would be RETARDED to sue or even shut down anyone from this site.. because for every one person that gets a song from here.. about 10,000 get songs from morphius..

I belive it could best be said that "they have bigger fish to fry"
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Post by CrackTheSky » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:25 am

James Sharp wrote:You see these businesses are only attacking sites and programs that are mainstream. and a-m-v.org is hardly mainstream..
I don't know about that. Type in "music videos" on Google and the .org is on the second page. It's not like they don't know we exist. This isn't an unpopular site. It may not be mainstream in the way you describe it, but we aren't exactly in the clear.

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