Be able to delete your own video.

Gepetto · Post by **Gepetto** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:44 pm

If they're keeping the videos anyways, that's all the more reason to allow the users to decide whether or not we want our videos to be downloadable. Like Arigatomina said, the site benefits from it. I'm against removing the entry for the videos, and I myself probably won't make any of my videos unavailable if they do allow us to do so, but I think it's an option that wouldn't hurt anyone, and would benefit everyone in the sense that bandwith would become more available, thus making the downloads faster.

Although since the videos in question are the ones deemed "bad" by the creators, the bandwith liberation wouldn't be that expressive.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:44 pm

Putting your video on this site is no different them going public with it... As with any filmaker and his creations, once the film is released, you just can't erase it out of existance just because after while you don't like it anymore.. Just imagine if Lucus retracted Star Wars just because he did not want it public anymore...

The site is a such a public outlet. Once anyone downloads a video it can end up anywhere and is circulated into the public stream. Uploading it here means you want it to go to the public... I would imagine that if you upload it here you must of at least had some pride in what you've created to want the public to see it, it would be a shame to just eliminate that just because it's felt it's no longer worthy...

Vlad

Gepetto · Post by **Gepetto** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:48 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:The site is a such a public outlet. Once anyone downloads a video it can end up anywhere and is circulated into the public stream. Uploading it here means you want it to go to the public... I would imagine that if you upload it here you must of at least had some pride in what you've created to want the public to see it, it would be a shame to just eliminate that just because it's felt it's no longer worthy...

Vlad

I agree with every word. But then again, if Lucas decided that he would no longer allow the production and sale of Star Wars DVDs and VHS, it doesn't mean that people who already have them won't lend/copy/distribute online and everyone would watch Star Wars all the same.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:09 am

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Putting your video on this site is no different them going public with it... As with any filmaker and his creations, once the film is released, you just can't erase it out of existance just because after while you don't like it anymore.. Just imagine if Lucus retracted Star Wars just because he did not want it public anymore...

"It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."

In any case, if this is to be the stance of the .org administration, it needs to be put clearly in writing on the upload request page. (It isn't there at all right now.)

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:20 am

trythil wrote:
Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Putting your video on this site is no different them going public with it... As with any filmaker and his creations, once the film is released, you just can't erase it out of existance just because after while you don't like it anymore.. Just imagine if Lucus retracted Star Wars just because he did not want it public anymore...
"It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."

In any case, if this is to be the stance of the .org administration, it needs to be put clearly in writing on the upload request page. (It isn't there at all right now.)

request upload page wrote:By uploading a video, you understand and agree to the above rules, understand that breaking these rules may result in videos being removed and/or a site ban, and you allow this site to hold and make publicly available the video file you provide.

it's there.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:27 am

downwithpants wrote:
request upload page wrote:By uploading a video, you understand and agree to the above rules, understand that breaking these rules may result in videos being removed and/or a site ban, and you allow this site to hold and make publicly available the video file you provide.
it's there.

That doesn't say "you shall not have the ability to delete your videos at whim; rather, you must submit a deletion request to us in writing".

Willen · Post by **Willen** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:34 am

Just because you think it sucks and shouldn't be available anymore, doesn't mean that everyone else thinks it sucks. There are some videos that I have where the execution is bad and the quality is bad, but I love the concept of it so I'll keep it.

Plus, it keeps the "I'm looking for such-and-such video and it's not on local" requests down a bit.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:40 am

An example of the disclaimer (or site policy) that should be linked on the upload page can be taken from deviantart.com - that's another website where 'artists' upload their work to catelogue and share with other fans of the genre:
http://about.deviantart.com/policy/submission/

The line that's pertinent is this one:

3. License To Use Artist Materials. As and when Artist Materials are uploaded to the deviantART Site(s), Artist grants to deviantART a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to do the following things during the Term:

b) to display, copy, reproduce, exhibit, publicly perform, broadcast, rebroadcast, transmit, retransmit, distribute through any electronic means (including analog and digital) or other means, and electronically or otherwise publish any or all of the Artist Materials, including any part of them, and to include them in compilations for publication, by any and all means and media now known or not yet known or invented

That's basically what this site is claiming rights to do - distribute and use and keep what the artist (amv-editor) uploads. I've had a vid shown at a convention by Phade without a word to me in advance (I had to read about it in the forum after the fact). To 'make publically available' is not the same as 'public performances'. The only real difference between Devart's disclaimer and the rights the org assumes is that the org would need to tweak the disclaimer a little to warn about keeping the works uploaded to the site irregardless of the creator's wishes for a permanent term.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:14 pm

Arigatomina wrote: That's basically what this site is claiming rights to do - distribute and use and keep what the artist (amv-editor) uploads. I've had a vid shown at a convention by Phade without a word to me in advance (I had to read about it in the forum after the fact). To 'make publically available' is not the same as 'public performances'. The only real difference between Devart's disclaimer and the rights the org assumes is that the org would need to tweak the disclaimer a little to warn about keeping the works uploaded to the site irregardless of the creator's wishes for a permanent term.

Your asking to have to get permission to play a video at a con like Phade did? Wow.. Here we are complaining about how the record companies don't want us to use their songs public without their permission as we do in AMVs and now creators want permissions to play their stuff...

Anyway we are getting way too detailed here for something that we don't own the material to... I suppose the statement currently on the org can be made a bit more clear, but honestly, having to make up a huge document with legal ramifications for material that technically should not be even distributed to the public! It's starting to look less like a hobby and more like bureaucracy.

Vlad

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:57 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:Your asking to have to get permission to play a video at a con like Phade did?

No. I'm asking for a warning in advance so that the possibility of that happening might have crossed my mind before I read it in the forum. After consideration, it was kind of cool. At the time, I was anti-convention screening (for my own reasons) so it was a blow to my little plan to find out it had been done for me by the only site I willingly used to distribute my vids. I don't have a problem with the site using the vids however they want as long as they tell me in advance that's what they'll do if I upload.

It's an agreement, see? And threads like this wouldn't exist because you could just point them to the disclaimer that says the local videos will be hosted indefinitely - so don't upload unless you want them always available here.

I don't think it's asking for a lot. It's just a plain-stated warning of what you'll get when you use the org's free hosting service. If some people don't like it, well, more bandwidth for everyone else.