For Those who love rock, and are gothic.

[Otohiko]

Also, I'm consistently getting disappointed at the complete unawareness of the gothic by the so-called "goths".

Am I still the only one to whom "gothic" primarily associates with the architectural and art style, the tall arcs, spires and gargoyles, and all sorts of medieval lore with vampires and whatnot? For a while, there were certain types of rock/metal music that I (wrongly?) associated with "gothic" style, because thematically and structurally they were a hell of a lot closer - in fact, there's no comparison (for me) in terms of which is more gothic - complicated heavy medieval-influenced music with all sorts of dark fairy-tale thematics; or ... emo about some 2006-era kid's whining. Seriously.

I seriously need some sort of revelation to stop being disappointed in these "goth" types, and if none is forthcoming, I'm afraid I'll have to concede that there's nothing but a fashion fad with annoying eye-shade and stupid-looking nose piercings.

[kid buu102]

Who do yu guys think yu are?! In what moment did I try to offend any of yu, WHO ARE YU TO JUDGE WHAT I AM?! I love gothic metal, got gothic friends, and that does not mean i cut my wrist.

P.S. Who likes Slipknot?

They are the hardcore gothic band. Yu know it!!!

[kid buu102]

INnAnime, I hate the heroes, love the evil. I am currently Making a manga on evil finally coming through.

[Iamshadowkiller]

I don't think even you know who you are, clearly you don't know what Gothic music is...you have this twisted idea of what people who listen to Gothic music do...and then somehow you saw it fit to add Slipknot in to the whole mix. At first I suggested music that actually falls under that genre because I thought you were seriously interested and all those bands you had originally listed, were just common mistakes people make...but clearly you're stuck in your own belief and so by all means, keep listening to slipknot and wear all black, and on All Hallow's Eve day why don't you all put a drop or two of blood in to your zima and maybe fall out boy will grant you a wish or what have you.


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[Otohiko]

Considering how easy it is to get informed these days...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_metal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_horror

Start reading, asshat

[Tono_Fyr]

If you think Slipknot is death metal, you know very little about metal, and are most certainly not "gothic".

We're judging you because you're here begging to be judged. We don't know you, but you come here, claiming to be "Goth", even though no such thing exists, and then list off a bunch of pop-punk bands and try to pass them off as "goth".

Then you come in and try to call Slipknot gothic metal. That's a laugh riot. Slipknot is about as gothic metal as I am a world-renowned drummer (and lemme give ya a little hint: I don't play drums).

[pink_hedgehog]

Who do yu guys think yu are?! In what moment did I try to offend any of yu, WHO ARE YU TO JUDGE WHAT I AM?! I love gothic metal, got gothic friends, and that does not mean i cut my wrist.

P.S. Who likes Slipknot?

They are the hardcore gothic band. Yu know it!!!

I politely refer you to my previous "nu-metal" explanation. Also I will take the route of oto incase my explanation wasnt clear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipknot_%28band%29
-->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallcore<--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallgoth

and no you wouldnt cut your wrists, Ive decided you're a mallcore kid; not emo.

note: I do infact like some slipknot songs, but Im not under the impression that they are remotely heavy when compared to something that is gothic metal or even generically metallic >.<

[Otohiko]

"Mallgoth"?
Brilliant!

I've never heard that term used before, but it fits perfectly - and reading the article further cements my impressions on that.

What I'm concerned about is not that people listen to Slipknot or Mall Metal or dress up stupidly and wear that eye shade - heck, they can all act like chickens and jump off bridges at random for all I care (though I'm more likely to do that myself ). What troubles me in these patterns, and why I tend to be rather negative over the "popsification" of music culture is that these kids are actually convinced they're doing something rebellious and revoltingly strange, when in fact they're basically sitting at the end of a business chain of major corporations.

Youth culture has been a huge thing since the 60's, when we had that explosion of young people taking a leading position in culture and defining the tastes of generations. But now that the youths of that time have long grown up and taken up chairs in various corporate structures, they found wonderful ways of exploiting the system. Gradually, progressive musical and cultural movements are being dumbed down, glossed over, and then marketed in a lobotomized forms to willing "rebels without a cause". No wonder some are screaming "rock is dead"...

I'm fine when people listen to this stuff, as long as they take no pretensions. Otherwise, it's just tasteless attention whoring that makes you look bad when exposed to people with a broader and/or more developed musical/cultural outlook, since they can see right through these vain outbursts.

You, sir or madman, are not a goth. You've been played well by the great entertainment industry complex, given a nice causeless invatation to rebel against that which you don't understand, and handed diskloads of what an article might call "mall music", Flint's referenced song calls "muzak", and I call "popsa". Congratulations, here's your free Cap'n Crunch medal.

[Kai Stromler]

Who do yu guys think yu are?! In what moment did I try to offend any of yu, WHO ARE YU TO JUDGE WHAT I AM?!

At this point, it became superfluous for those posting subsequently to identify this poster as a "mallgoth".

Emo mallgoths whine and cry about other people judging them; real goths roll their eyes and ignore external commentary...and wouldn't've come around looking for approval in the first place.

Anyway.

--K

[pink_hedgehog]

Just for those who want the gist of mallgoth:

Mall goth is a disparaging colloquialism for someone who is supposedly not a "real" Goth and whose commitment to the Gothic scene is seen as poserish, i.e., shallow, materialistic, trendy, and/or dependent on commercially purchased, mass-marketed Goth clothes from high street stores such as Hot Topic. The term is mainly limited to the United States. Other terms include M&M's (for their tendency toward the music of Marilyn Manson), spooky kids, nu-goth, babybat, baby/kiddy/kinder goth, emo goth, wannabe goth or, in England, 'goffs' (note the incorrect spelling).

Typically, a mall goth is aged from 13 to 18, the attire of mall goths includes hoodies, over-sized t-shirts often bearing the name of a nu-metal band (sometimes worn over fishnet arm warmers), black leather trench coats/dusters. Baggy pants with chains on them are also common, for either gender. Dyed hair, eyebrow, nose and lip piercings, and the use of black eyeliner, lipstick and mascara is also common. Mall goths can usually be found loitering in indoor shopping malls across the United States and Canada (another reason behind the name).

ha it says mansonite further down the page http://www.waningmoon.com/gothica/artic ... 0041.shtml

popular activities for mall goths are going to arcades (DDR is especially popular)

..... hey!! I am SO not a mallgoth! only cuz I dont listen to Good Charlotte, Im just not hardcore goth enough to listen to Good Charlotte ....
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anyone else picture this kid as one of the south park goths? Im sorry.. Im sorry.. Im done.