A newbie's thought's on anime music videos in general

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:53 pm

Nope.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:55 pm

Before I have to fend off a Riposte, have a definition.

A marked innate ability, as for artistic accomplishment.

American Heritage Dictionary

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:07 pm

The whole discussion of talent is way beyond the AMV realm, I think... and it's hard to agree on anything in terms of it, anyway, since the results of the talent are generally judged by subjective criteria (objective ones don't exist). So I think trying to debate it here is... a bit too far-fetched. You'd never get anywhere.

On the other hand, I'd be fooling myself if I said that most of my favorite editors are "talented" (whatever that means). But there's also a few who, as I know, do very good and worthwhile things by enthusiasm and hard work alone (and, in my view, perhaps have none of this pre-disposed "talent").

And then you might look at some of these people I consider "talented", and say something like "oh god, this guy SUCKS". :roll":

So, again, it's hard to generalize. I'd try to keep away from it.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:09 pm

While I agree that we will never reach a useful conclusion on this, I don't think it's a bad idea to talk about it. I think it's a bad idea not to talk about it.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:22 pm

Well, sure.

For one, I tend to replace the idea of talent, at least as far as AMVs, with a more straightforward idea of aesthetic sense.

I personally don't care where the editors get it from. They could have been born with it. They could have spent 40 years in a Buddhist monastery attaining it. But if I see a sophisticated and personally-appealing aesthetic sense in their editing, that usually gets me. And there's a lot of different directions this sense could go in; but its presence is easily revealed by a sort of natural logic in the "flow" of the videos. Just like with music - an artist needs a sort of natural logic (sometimes it's a sort of ease, sometimes it's not, but it's still a "flow") with what they do; and for one, I believe my favorite musician when he says "I was born with no natural talent; at age 15, I was tone-deaf and with no sense of rhythm." But boy, that guy has more aesthetic sense (in my eyes) than one can shake a stick at.

(oh, and as examples of editors whose "aesthetic sense" I'm very much "in tune" with, to the point where I can tell a video is theirs just by seeing it - Bakadeshi, Jasper-Isis or Tyler come to mind - but I don't think EVERYONE neccesarily sees them the same way I do).

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:25 pm

arzuro wrote:While I agree that we will never reach a useful conclusion on this, I don't think it's a bad idea to talk about it. I think it's a bad idea not to talk about it.

Simple fact of the matter. A dictionary is one person or group trying to make a definition easily accessible to many people.

A basketball player who can easily make a halfcoust shot is just as talented as an artist who can draw a full color sunset with red, blue, green, and black watercolors.

But like Oto said, talent has little to do with how good you are, which is in and of itself, merely the opinion of someone, and subject to change depending on who you ask.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:31 pm

True, but a person with no talent can not even scratch at the heights a talented person can rise to.

ssj4lonewolf · Post by **ssj4lonewolf** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:37 pm

lol i dont get it, this is a good discussion and all but it seems quite pointless, considering the fact that your not opening your mind up. What it comes down to is this, you want a good "talented" amv, fuckin make one yourself and dont bitch about ones that aren't. You bring some good points like this one in particular...

arzuro wrote:I haven't seen terribly much yet either, although I mentioned that several times. It just seems to me that AMV's are being made and watched for the sake of them being AMV's, if you get what I mean. It appears to me like people are saying "I want to make an AMV, whatever could I do?" and then throwing togehter stuff from their favorite anime, rather than thinking "This or that would be a really neat music video, how can I do it?" and then creating something that isn't garbage.

...but you gotta understand that most of us that use this site on the regular do it to have fun. Some ppl use these hobbies as gateways to other things. For me I've gotten into college, scholorship oppertunities, job oppertunities, all by showing my amvs to ppl. Not to mention i get more fuel added to my fire everytime someone posts somthing like this...

its good, but maby u should try different songs, even though hip hop is really good, i dont think it fits for an amv

When your on this site you have to free your mind, throw out all steriotypes(sp?) of music videos. Think you can do better, make a better story line yatta yatta ya, then fuckin do it. No one should be tryin to convince you to watch more amvs, but yet you do and just because you've seen a few crappy ones your judging all of them....get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:38 pm

arzuro wrote:True, but a person with no talent can not even scratch at the heights a talented person can rise to.

I disagree. Everyone has some talents, and they are usually effective in oother areas if you use them right.

And good or not is very dependent on perspective. Good is based on the perspective of the person who did it. If they are happy with it, it is good. Some people depend on others approval, so their work might not be as good, while someone whose work looks worse or is more clumsy might vbe very happy with how they are doing. Making it good.

arzuro · Post by **arzuro** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:42 pm

"Everybody is the best at something" is a plain lie. That's my opinion.