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Post by Heero_Yuy84 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:51 am

Keyword was...
Then Bright started pounding the 'bitch' out of him...by the time they'd gotten into space again, he'd actually come along way from being the whiny bastard he was for the first half.

(...that said, at least he wasn't as whiny as the refugees...thank God, they got cut from the movie trilogy)
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Post by Android raptor » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:16 am

Yes! Exactly! But anyway, I don't think Char should have killed Kishiria and Garma...

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Post by Mroni » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:10 pm

Um why his whole reason for existing was to get revenge against that family why shouldn't he have? The two I liked best were dozel and the duke they were alot smarter than the others.


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Post by Android raptor » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:53 pm

Because, even if Degin DID kill ol' Deikun, Garma and Kishiria had nothing to do with because they were only little kids when it happened...

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Post by Mroni » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:23 am

Where are you getting that information at. Garma is as old as char I'm not going to pretend to be an expert but from watching the original gundam movies I get the impression that char was in his teens when his father was murdered. And even if not they are still potential candidates to the throne so they needed to be croaked.

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Post by Heero_Yuy84 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:21 am

Char and Sayla weren't that old when Zeon Deikun passed on. According to the timelines I've seen, Char (Casval) was about 9, Sayla (Artesia) was around 6.

...Which, in turn, comes to the question of why Char takes it out on all the Zabis:

From the reports by Ramba Ral and Char to Sayla, we learn that, when Zeon Deikun died, the two were adopted by Ramba's father, Jinba. Jinba, apparently a Deikun loyalist, didn't like the Zabi takeover and, thus, raised up Casval hate the Zabis and avenge his father.

Should he have spared them? Maybe...if not Kycillia, then at least Garma.
But, given he'd been raised to believe 'Zabis = bad' ...well...his final words to Garma prettymuch said it all...it was nothing personal, he just happened to have the misfortune to be born a Zabi. If he was going to take vengeance he was going to take it on ALL the Zabis...so if he had to screw over his buddy for being the bloodline, he'd do it.
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Post by yuppa » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:35 pm

wel Char has always been a bastard. hes a goo dvillian. due to the fact he even admits hes a monster at times if i rember.
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Post by Heero_Yuy84 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:34 pm

He does and he doesn't. He's admitted to a few of his misdeeds (he did feel bad about setting Garma up, for a bit there.)
But more often than not, he's pretty quick to wash his hands (Zeta is when he gets particularly bad with ducking responsibility.
He repeatedly denies who he is so he won't have to take leadership, only stepping up to bat after Brex is murdered. He repeatedly brushes off Reccoa to the point he becomes the main reason for her defecting to the Titans. He leaves the AEUG swaying in the breeze to deal with Haman so he can take to the scene again later with his own Neo-Zeon
etc...etc...)

So yeah...he's capable of having a conscience... ...he just needs to use it more often.
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Post by yuppa » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:22 am

ok.. so hes a coward then. he wont step up and do anything. Or he hates responsibility. either way hes a asshole. Conscience or not. I lost th efaith in a conscious when he let that girl die in the counterattack. Amuro should have murdred him.
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Post by Heero_Yuy84 » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:57 am

In a way, he kind of did. Granted I'm not entirely sure he intended to kill Char when he made the run at Axis, so much as hoped he could one-up him once and for all by having him watch his master plan crumble...nevertheless, Char tried to escape, but Amuro held him in place with Nu Gundam, so both their cockpits' psyco frames overloaded, and the two were killed. ...So, yeah, Amuro DID kill Char, albeit indirectly

As for Quess...Char admitted from the get-go he had no real attachment to her...as far as he was concerned, she was someone reaching out for a father figure, Amuro had failed her in that regard, so when she turned to him, he saw it as a chance to, yet again, get the one-up on Amuro...and the fact Quess turned out to be a stronger Newtype than he was certainly didn't hurt things. For all of his pretending he cared, Quess was always just a tool to him.

Cold? Definitely. But given by that point, his only goal was getting even with Amuro once and for all, he was going to take every advantage he could get, ethics be damned.
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