Down with Naruto! Up with Outlaw Star!

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:21 pm

older_gohan wrote:Not to mention all of these short ones have rather amazing plot lines. But are there alot of ones that just don't seem to end (like DBZ)

Naruto is the only lengthy anime that I know of with an amazing plot line. Every other anime I could think of that I enjoy the story of usually are short animes.. Well it's like what they say, quality over quantity.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:06 pm

SuperFusion wrote:
older_gohan wrote:Some pretty big ones that are short are Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Paranoia Agent, Outlaw Star.

Hellsing, FLCL, FullMetal Alchemist(sorta), Samurai Champloo, Elfen Lied, etc..

I'd hardly say 52 eps for FMA is short... most series are 26 or less.

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:11 pm

I'd hardly say 26 episodes is short.

My giude to length:

6 or less Episodes: short

12/13 Episodes: Shorter-average

24-26 Episodes: Long average

51: Long

100+: Obscenely long.

Length desn't have anything to do with quality.

x_rex30 · Post by **x_rex30** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:14 pm

Malificus wrote:Length desn't have anything to do with quality.

That's why I said "quality over quantity".

bobbarker31 · Post by **bobbarker31** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:30 pm

x_rex30 wrote:
Malificus wrote:Length desn't have anything to do with quality.
That's why I said "quality over quantity".

So it is not its length, but what they do with it?

Heero_Yuy84 · Post by **Heero_Yuy84** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:22 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Heero_Yuy84 wrote:
Rurounikeitaro wrote:11 Rahxephon (2002) 8.520 8.9 338
16 Neon Genesis Evangelion (1995) 8.426 8.8 402
...*insert Basque Ohm cackle here*

(Sorry, but for all the bitching and complaining, this REALLY amuses me)

That said, RK's right...Toriyama originally had written it to end with the Frieza arc...but, the fans cried 'More! More!' ...so he got dragged through Cell and Buu...and by the time they approached him with GT, it was "NOT AGAIN!!!"
Toriyama didn't write the stories in GT but had quite alot of influence over it.

Most likely for his paid vacation checks.

Actually, as I heard it told, he almost completely washed his hands of the DB franchise by the time GT rolled around. The only definite contribution Toriyama can be credited with was getting them to remove Vegeta's 'porn star' mustache.

older_gohan · Post by **older_gohan** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:23 pm

Ya think he could of fixed veggie heads wardrobe as well.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:30 pm

Quality over quanity eh? Well, i was confused there for a second, because all the series mentioned so far have been the ones mass marketed to an American audience.

The mere mention of "quality" seems a bit above the level of conversation here. What you should be woried about is if you like it, not tring to define what makes a series quality, especially with such a limited base to work off of. That said, I think we can agree that length should be determined by how long it takes to tell the story, not how much money you can take from your inept fan base before they're wooed away by another shiny new series. However the anime industry is just that, an industry and profits are what dries the machine -- furthermore, this is Japan, a country obsessed with innovation and fads. It dosn't have to be origional; hell it dosn't have to be good -- there's a market for it so it will sell. With enough people into anime, i'd say the market has expanded into genre's suited to individual fan tastes. Anime fan has become a catch-all term that becomes broader and broader every year. Episode length is often dictated by the fact that the studio has run out of canned plotlines and wants fresh character designs to use. In that context, A long series that isn't immediately ported to the U.S. market is rather odd to find.

I'd say series like Prince of Tennis does what it does well for a long time (although what it does well is shower you with implied yaoi action, so the benifit of that is entirely up to the viewer) but if it's not your niche then you're not going to apreciate it...

I'm not sure if this makes any sence or not, but that' smy 2 cents at least...

older_gohan · Post by **older_gohan** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:57 pm

Well I guess if you want to get into Quality you have to look at aspects of the anime. I"ll list some aspects that define a quality anime and see if you agree.

Originality- Though not always seen, there are some animes that just stick out because their plot line is someone different from your normal anime. Not to mention some of the characters and technology is not what you expect from an anime. Usually certain points of orginiality are determined by the character and what part they play.

Example
Unoriginal Anime- Generally one where the plot does not provide any indepth character analysis or the plot line does not keep viewers constantly thinking. The depth of which the plot goes is about as shallow as the kiddy side in the swimming pool.

Visual- If you want something great and original, you have to have concept art that is very unique. It may be through outfits or what certain mecha or weapons look like. Possibly how characters come to be, either way it has to be very unique. It makes you wonder how they came up with this.

Example
Good visual animes-
FLCL - thought some migth find it a tad bit 'weird' the concept for this anime design is rather unique to most. The movements and actions are drawn different and some over done, but it's done with great finesse.

Samurai Jack- though not quite a anime this cartoon provides a great example of concept cartoonism. All the scenese and characters in this anime were draw without any outlines. The colours hit right with each other. Although it may look crude at first he concept behind it was genious and really captured people's attention.

Dialouge/Voice Acting- Yes you need good voice actors cast for the anime. Make sure that they fit with the characters age, sex, and personality. It's important that you have that so no one is thrown off by the characters true personality.

Good Voice acted and dialouged Anime
Cowboy Bebop - This anime's voice acting was well decided and the actors got into their parts very well. It was done well with little notices of the lips moving without the words fitting.

Plot Line- Last but certainly not least is the importance of a great plot line. It doesn't matter episode length as long as the plot keeps moving. Make sure the plot has a indepth meaning behind it, as well keep the idea that character should and will change over time. Plot twists keep viewers attracted to it.

Good plot Depth Animes
Paranoia Agent - Though not quite a fast moving anime, this one certainley keeps viewers entertained and wanting more with each episode. It really shows alot of thought put into certain ideas and philosiphies

Others- Mobile Suit Gundam, Ghost in the Shell (Can't think of any others right now it's to early)

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cholinms · Post by **cholinms** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:16 am

x_rex30 wrote:
older_gohan wrote:Not to mention all of these short ones have rather amazing plot lines. But are there alot of ones that just don't seem to end (like DBZ)
Naruto is the only lengthy anime that I know of with an amazing plot line. Every other anime I could think of that I enjoy the story of usually are short animes.. Well it's like what they say, quality over quantity.

Fushigi Yugi is another long one with a good plot. Kept me watching allthe way through a four day weekend in Korea