The GRammer police..YEsh i am mispelling on purpose.

[yuppa]

I really find it Belittling and PETTY to start to correct poeples words and punctuation, because we are all not perfect. AND we are all not from the same parts of the world either. SO to read that a member is being picked at for their spelling...EVEN BY some MODs as wel, is in my opinion A shameful waste of time and energy by the so called "GRAMMER POLICE"

Anyway im sure you all know who they are so i need not mention them. If phade was still running this site, instead of someone who cant control their mods or members behavior.. im sure these incidents would not happen as often. A good example of wasted space and bandwith is the "megatokyo forums" if you like to see grammer flames.. go there. If not just keep your opinion to yourself, and move on like the ADULTS most of us are. Its the friggin internet.. not English class.

[Tsunami Jones]

If phade was still running this site, instead of someone who cant control their mods or members behavior.

What's your definition of control? Totalitarian? And since when is it the responsibility of the person running the site to control their member's bahvior? While we generally try to curb any flaming etc., you still own what you say, not whoever runs the site.

As to us Mods . . . you say that if we were more controlled that "these incidents might not happen as often." I certainly don't see many of these incidents at all. In fact they seem to be few and far between overall especially in the light of your example, Megatokyo. The Mods that posted in that thread did so openly. There was no underhanded posting of random MOD notes insulting the person's grammar. They posted what they thought right along side with the members who did. If you're saying that we shouldn't be able to expres our opinions just because we're volunteers who spend quite a far share of our free time working on this site, then frankly, that's bull.

and move on like the ADULTS most of us are.

People stopped posting in that thread over two months ago. I would say that almost everyone in it did in fact, move on.

[Arigatomina]

If you're saying that we shouldn't be able to expres our opinions just because we're volunteers who spend quite a far share of our free time working on this site, then frankly, that's bull.

Bandwagon = fun.

Mods are volunteers, but they also have a status to uphold, a responsibility to act as an example for 'lower ranking' members. It's fine to agree with the regulars about a controversial (bordering on inflamatory) issue, but it sets a bad example if our superiors lower themselves to our level. Invisible mods can still join the masses as much as they want, but anyone with "Moderator" written under his name should behave (at least openly) as if he cares about the example he gives to the people he's monitoring.

/Not that I've seen any real problems, but I disagree with the idea that moderators are just like everyone else. They aren't, at least not the open ones. That title should mean something. If it doesn't, mods should go back to being invisible so no one gets the wrong idea.

[Tsunami Jones]

Bandwagon = fun.

Mods are volunteers, but they also have a status to uphold, a responsibility to act as an example for 'lower ranking' members.

No disagreement from me there.

if our superiors lower themselves to our level.

You're one of the most well written/informative/helpful members of the site, so I'm not sure where that level is (yes, I know what you mean).

Invisible mods can still join the masses as much as they want, but anyone with "Moderator" written under his name should behave (at least openly) as if he cares about the example he gives to the people he's monitoring.

Again, I agree. For the thread in question though, I believe everyone for the most part was pretty well-behaved. Besides being off-topic, there wasn't really any flaming, just statements about a person's grammar and the internet grammar stereotype. I think that perhaps it should have been a PM instead, but that's water under the bridge at this point.

/but I disagree with the idea that moderators are just like everyone else. They aren't, at least not the open ones.

No disagreement there, either. My orignal post was mainly aimed at the statement that our mods (and our members) are out of control do to who is running the site, which was really where my beef was.

[downwithpants]

assuming youre referring to http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=49551 - the mods weren't correcting individual spelling errors. they were giving opinions on the tone and legibility of an individuals' writing. there's a difference between "you spelt 'grammar' wrong" and "your writing is hard to understand."

Invisible mods can still join the masses as much as they want, but anyone with "Moderator" written under his name should behave (at least openly) as if he cares about the example he gives to the people he's monitoring.

INJUSTICE!

[yuppa]

OK. i see where you might be coming from Tsunami jones. but in that particular thread it was new to me. DKl, is the example there. He should not have said anything if not anything nice. it is not only in that thread i see the grammer corrections. Its in alot of them. As for the mods yes they are regular people. AND since they are people they also can have opinions. MOST mods though on sites i go to alot usually are quiet and do stuff through PM not publicly. MOderators are supposed to be examples for other members as well. ANd for the most part they do a excellent job. ANyway sisnce the topic is dead i too will do as i suggested and move on. Thank you for the replies and your time gentleman.

[dokool]

OK. i see where you might be coming from Tsunami jones. but in that particular thread it was new to me. DKl, is the example there. He should not have said anything if not anything nice.

I say you're just whining.

It's one thing when a poster is from another country - at least they're making the effort to post in English, and 9 times out of 10 someone who speaks their native language shows up to help them out. I actually recall suggesting an International forum ages ago, which seems like a better idea as more European users show up on the site.

<i>However</i> if someone's posting using slang and netspeak to the point of their posts being unreadable, they should be corrected. Laziness is no excuse for illegibility if you want your posts to be taken seriously. It's not that people actively hunt typos, but because the Forums are mostly inhabited by college-age or older posters who type fairly accurately, netspeakers are very noticible.

Think of it as smacking a puppy with a rolled-up newspaper until he stops pissing on the rug. I'm hardly the 'Org's resident grammar nazi (I think jBone claimed that title in another thread), but if it takes me more than 3 attempts at reading their post to understand what they're saying there's a major problem (with OtakuMan's posts as a notable exception as they tend to be forum threads unto themselves.)

[BasharOfTheAges]

<i>However</i> if someone's posting using slang and netspeak to the point of their posts being unreadable, they should be corrected. Laziness is no excuse for illegibility if you want your posts to be taken seriously. It's not that people actively hunt typos, but because the Forums are mostly inhabited by college-age or older posters who type fairly accurately, netspeakers are very noticible.

This is the problem right here -- the people who bring the general intelegence level of these forums down by not posting in coherent sentences. I don't know about everyone else, but I feel that the comunity here has a higher intelegent thought standard than netspeak and that should be respected.

[[Mike of the Desert]]

OK. i see where you might be coming from Tsunami jones. but in that particular thread it was new to me. DKl, is the example there. He should not have said anything if not anything nice.

I say you're just whining.

It's one thing when a poster is from another country - at least they're making the effort to post in English, and 9 times out of 10 someone who speaks their native language shows up to help them out. I actually recall suggesting an International forum ages ago, which seems like a better idea as more European users show up on the site.

<i>However</i> if someone's posting using slang and netspeak to the point of their posts being unreadable, they should be corrected. Laziness is no excuse for illegibility if you want your posts to be taken seriously. It's not that people actively hunt typos, but because the Forums are mostly inhabited by college-age or older posters who type fairly accurately, netspeakers are very noticible.

Think of it as smacking a puppy with a rolled-up newspaper until he stops pissing on the rug. I'm hardly the 'Org's resident grammar nazi (I think jBone claimed that title in another thread), but if it takes me more than 3 attempts at reading their post to understand what they're saying there's a major problem (with OtakuMan's posts as a notable exception as they tend to be forum threads unto themselves.)

I quote some of here. It's what I think, if who write english is NOT native of a country when it is the first language, PERFECTION can't be a *Must*, at least him/her are doing their best to create some type of contact. ALL changes when the writer first language is english, btw, first language or not, see a full CAP post with unreadable language on it trying to say probably something useless can actually put on some nerves. The same happen here in Italy, actually I never saw a so particualr "grammar nazism" anywhere, but if an Italian appear bitching an horrible spelled language.. It's not took seriously. But as far as the writer/speaker is foreign, imo here there should be not problems.

[yuppa]

I say you're just whining.

<i>However</i> if someone's posting using slang and netspeak to the point of their posts being unreadable, they should be corrected. Laziness is no excuse for illegibility if you want your posts to be taken seriously. It's not that people actively hunt typos, but because the Forums are mostly inhabited by college-age or older posters who type fairly accurately, netspeakers are very noticible.

really who are We to discriminate against someone just because they use net speak? We are human so we dont have the right to actually, but we can express our opinions. no mattet how WHINEY it seems to Others. Now since this thread has served it purpose i will ask it locked.