AMVs: What's next?

The Non-Professional · Post by **The Non-Professional** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 8:59 pm

Well i didnt read everyone elses post so i dont know what yall think but, in my opinion AMV can go has far as we can make them go whick means AMV have no limits but the creators do. A good new video cant be made unless the creator is coming out of left feild with an idea thats crazy enough to work. Me, i have so many videos that havent been done which are left feild ideas and i can come up with stuff that might work but it all depends on the creator.

Fluxmeister · Post by **Fluxmeister** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:31 pm

I think some people have a very different attitude about amving than I do. I would outright say they are wrong but that's not my point. I don't care if someone takes drama + drama for the 8000th time. My only hope is that in the creation of a video they are making it for themselves first and popularity/world second(if at all).

I don't understand how drama + drama differs from action + sync or humor + humor... isn't that the point? That the two sources match up and make for something entertaining...?? I'll be damned if someone tells me what I shouldn't make... if I need my linkin ballZ video then I NEED to make it. I personally spend more time working on my videos than watching others... which also includes not attending any cons! So my point of view is a bit skewed from the people who have "suffered" the utter and complete pain of sitting through drama + drama videos... dunno...

If it's a bad video... then don't watch it? Don't give them good feedback? Or the best option, attempt to sway thousands of people with little unheard complaints....? LOL

Well at least now we are finally formulating a set of deadly sins in the amv world:

1 - LinkinBallZ
2 - Drama + Drama (well for some people... double standard for the GOOD videos of course, made by GOOD editors, who are they again?)
3 - Anything using a popular anime: Bebop, Escaflowne, Evangelion, Trigun, FLCL, DBZ, Very Private Lesson , Big Wars(since these are all over used... no new ideas are possible and all the GOOD editors have already used these, don't even try... you suck)

LOL

(this is what it seems like

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You also can't proclaim that any video you have made has some deep meaning from your high horse... art is in the eye of the beholder. I don't try to sell my videos as gifts from god or any bs like that. Sure I might imply/say that I like it and think you just might also, but that's far from being a blessing from the heavens.

As for a gap between creators... I really don't like this concept at all. Is there some exclusive club that I forgot to sign up for so that I am on the good side of the gap?

I dunno... sounds high and mighty to me. Respect for a good editor and status among the gods are two very different concepts...

Oh yeah, check out my drama + drama video at the AWA Masters. I submit myself for ridicule for making such an awful choice in producing something that means quite a bit to me.

The last thing I see is AMVing going down the toilet. With each day there are new editors that put their hearts and minds to work to produce wonderful works. Not to mention of course, the current editors giving time and effort to something they believe strongly in.

I love editing and making amvs. I share tons of respect among many editors... and have respect for many more that I have never been in contact with.

I don't care what you make, just be sure that it's what YOU want to see... and if you release it to the public... you feel that it represents yourself.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:45 pm

Fluxmeister wrote:I don't care what you make, just be sure that it's what YOU want to see... and if you release it to the public... you feel that it represents yourself.

Beautiful man, just beautiful...

I agree 5000000000 percent.

Machine · Post by **Machine** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:48 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:Although there has yet to be a Faye that impresses me...

I saw a decent looking Faye at A-Kon but we didn't get any pics of her.

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This is a picture that is in my profiles section of CONs on my website....

Nuff said 8)

silver_moon · Post by **silver_moon** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:51 pm

I don't think I've been here long enough to say where AMV's are headed... all I can really say is where I think I myself am going video-wise. We can't really know what other people are planning unless if they tell us their ideas. And if they have an idea they really like they usually keep it a secret until they release it.

Something that's kind of getting me nervous is the huge number of increasing videos on the site. Most likely quite a few of these aren't ever going to be available for download, while others are not the creator's best work (but the creator still lists all 60 or whatever videos just because they were made) and still others the creator doesn't like but puts them up anyway just for the heck of it then disappears back into the unknown. I regret putting up some of my own older videos, and I'm considering taking down the download links for them. So now I ask myself if I actually like the video I'm putting up, and if I don't I don't put it in the catalog.

I'm finding it more and more difficult to search for a video and find one that interests me enough to download it. It takes so long to search through a list of a over-used anime. It's also much harder to get recognized with so many other videos. So I believe you should only put up your video if you really like it and if you would take the time to find a host for it... otherwise you'll probably regret putting it up in the first place later. And who needs a catalog of videos that no one will ever see just because they aren't available? Wait until you come out with a good piece by your own standards before you release something.

As for the drama video comments...

It's almost mandatory to have dramatic music + dramatic scenes to have a dramatic video, but they're definitely not the only factors. There are lots of things I consider important in a drama video, including a storyline, editing sync, and just general ideas. I think what's more important than just picking scenes is being careful of where you choose to put your scenes. I find dramatic scenes have much more impact if you match them to a lyric in the song or just a part of the song that matches the emotion or mood of the scene... you have to bring out the dramatic scene, not just use it.

I haven't found too many drama videos that utitlize this, but I love the ones that pull it off well.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:54 pm

Machine wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote:Although there has yet to be a Faye that impresses me...
I saw a decent looking Faye at A-Kon but we didn't get any pics of her.

This is a picture that is in my profiles section of CONs on my website....

Nuff said 8)[/quote]

That guy is one lucky mofo....

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 10:36 pm

Akon has to be the greatest con ever.

Vancore · Post by **Vancore** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 2:37 am

AMV making on descent?
All Techniques taken?
Goldenage over with?

What words of doom are these. I say Naught, this is only the passing of the beggining of AMV making. Now comes the time of taste and choices without the poor quility of many vids before. Now is the time of the great Naming where a AMV isn't just judged by itself, but by those who made it. Now is the time where it isn't what type of Tech you use but how you use it. The "GoldenAge" of AMV making still has great momentom as does Anime itself and both are becoming more widespread. With new fans of Anime come new fans of AMV's.
I would not say the GoldenAge has ended, On the contrary I would say it still has a way to go. I would only say it had ended if those who started the GoldenAge were no longer making Video's.

- Vancore

P.S. Nice Faye Pic[/img]

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 3:33 am

Vancore wrote:I would not say the GoldenAge has ended, On the contrary I would say it still has a way to go. I would only say it had ended if those who started the GoldenAge were no longer making Video's.

You mean like Kevin Caldwell?

The golden age of anime was the 80s. The golden age of amvs was the late 90s. The fact that there's been so much talk of a slump this year is evidence that there's nothing much golden about amvs in 2002.

Vancore wrote:Now is the time of the great Naming where a AMV isn't just judged by itself, but by those who made it.

Are you saying that the good amvs are by the big names? That's a load of rubbish for starters. I was a nobody until I released SRV - now I'm just a little more than a nobody

I didn't say that amv making was in a decline but it is clear that the transition phase from niche hobbyist work to popular pastime has been and gone. That transition period was heralded by some truly great amvs by some very good amv makers - and yes there are amv makers from that period who are no longer making amvs. These landmark video really pushed amv making into the public eye and started the popularity you see now. That was the golden age, it's over.

This doesn't mean an end to all that is good but it does mean that the amv world has become comfy, so to speak - but that's not a bad thing really. Just because there are no real innovations in cinema these days doesn't mean that there are no good movies any more.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:35 am

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/legacy/ ... p?mid=7794

Yeah, AD, you're a nobody till SRV was released? Heh, I know the feeling. And according to stats, I'M STILL an unknown.

So, using the info above, I'll be widening my horizons a bit.

I'd like to say thank you for the info posted here from everyone. Especially the one about the drama videos. I'd like to hope [very hard] that "Moonlight Vengeance" is a "Different" type of Drama video...

"Drama scenes to drama music" = dumb. Now that I analyze it, it makes sense. And so, I intend to shoot for something different. Yes, I'm still gunning toward the audiences. Why? CAUSE I'M PART OF THEM DAMNIT!

Though, I think the "conflicting" anime to music maybe something new, I'm sure someone has tried this. The question is, who is it so I can learn from them. Maybe not, I don't want to end up editing like them.

Let's just hope my new series ends up as widely accepted as Feel the Rhythm eh?

^_^