AMV artist / AMV Creator

[Otohiko]

I've just had a similar discussion with an editor outside of this community today.

I think people are just confusing editing styles and editing motivations.

My own distinction that I drew today was between editors who are primarily oriented towards musical and visual texture and editors who are more oriented towards musical and visual rhythm. This has to do mostly with how they hear music.

As far as being artistic, either type of editor can do that. But as jbone says, artistry is not something that one can just take and say "look at me, I am an artist!"

[Scintilla]

@Ari: I'd say it depends on the song.

I'd say the anime usually has to work with the song more closely in the romance and drama genres in order to be effective; if I'm looking for a good video to something like "My Immortal" or "Right Here Waiting", I won't be looking out for pretty effects. What'll concern me more in that case is the anime-song match and how well the editor manages to evoke the desired emotional effect.

But if I'm looking for a good video to something like "Brilliant 2U (Orchestra Groove)", "Gonna Make You Sweat", or "Twilight Zone", I generally won't care about storytelling.

[Otohiko]

Ah, yes, that's a very good point too.

Personally, a lot of the time, I'm far less concerned with the anime - if anything, I often try to reduce it to visuals and moods or at least twist its' story and use the viewers' associations to my own advantage instead of sticking strickly with the anime. I wouldn't feel bad for a second if I totally mis-contextualized the anime in a completely serious video.
On the other hand, you can't call me an editing-, technique-, or otherwise anything but story/mood oriented editor. In my case, it's indeed the music that often gets far more attention as far as points of creative orientation goes. I'm far more loyal to my music that visual sources.

But, I know, you said 'generalization' yourself

[staces]

AMV Artist: AMV maker who uses lyrics and scene matching to tell
the story. Who focuses less on the beats and uses them mostly for
cutting between scenes.

Who's sick of lots of editors claiming that they mean to let a clip linger for 5+ seconds durning a fast paced song and then getting mad when people call it bad editing, because noooo it's artistic and those who fail to see it as artistic are just uncreative idiots with no imagination?

Oh yeah- I am!

[AMV_4000]

AMV Artist: AMV maker who uses lyrics and scene matching to tell
the story. Who focuses less on the beats and uses them mostly for
cutting between scenes.

Who's sick of lots of editors claiming that they mean to let a clip linger for 5+ seconds durning a fast paced song and then getting mad when people call it bad editing, because noooo it's artistic and those who fail to see it as artistic are just uncreative idiots with no imagination?

Oh yeah- I am!

ooo that has a reverse side too... take one of snh knives videos for example (not naming which kenshin video) its a fast romance song... its not supposed to have certian fight scenes in parts where something better should've gone, its true to a lot of videos, not just his.. and you are right, a lot of "art" should have changes in them, things like better timing... but hey.. think about it like any other art, music, your first song cant be just as great as one of your newer ones... movies, your frist few movies probably wont be as good as your later ones.. painting/drawing, your art isnt always gunna be perfect, just because your not as expierenced as a lot of others, your art dosnt look as good, so you get better and grow from your mistakes, just as with any art, you progress and get better.. improvement is why we continue to do what we do!

[x_rex30]

art is simply a generic term for any product of the creative impulse

[Beowulf]

Everyone who makes AMVs is an editor.

Virtually nobody who edits AMVs is an artist.

Many people who edit AMVs are designers.

"Creator" is a poor description, as nothing is "created." Every AMV is "edited." If something is "created" (such as custom 3D), the video is no longer mainstream AMV - it becomes something else.

"Keywords" are pointless. People who try to wedge themselves and others into categories can never be artists, and make terrible designers. Worse are the people who insist upon claiming artistry, but who don't even know what it is.

Yes

I would consider myself an artist, even by the standard that nothing is created when making an AMV (which I would debate). I'm a creative person; I like creating things plain and simple. Whether its AMVs, sketches on paper, writting, poetry, rythyms that I drum on my stomach, scenerios that I think of in my head while I listen to music, it doesnt matter. I enjoy creating things, so that = "artist" in my mind.

Debating the level or artistry inherint in certain activities is about as productive as debating religeon or politics. I'm only 19 and I think I can safely say that a masterpeice can be made out of anything by anyone under any circumstance at any time. From Mona Lisa, to The David, to the archetectual plans for Eifel Tower, to music videos, to anime music videos, to Piss Christ, to the doodles you draw while your on the phone, its all art to me. Art is art is art.

I think what defines an artist are the reasons why he/she does what he does. Not what he does, or how well he does them.

To me, my definition of "artistry" would be to turn a feeling you have inside of you into something tangible. Taking a peice of yourself and putting it into somethig you create: thats art.

[Otohiko]

If it's about self-expression, you know it's gonna suck. -R.F.

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Oh boy. I feel this turning into a debate on what is art already.
In my view, the difficulty of telling artists from non-artists is that well, is there really a difference...
To me, the influence of personal emotions and perceptions is a filter in actual creativity; it either enchances what is already there or messes things up. To me, actual art is literally something that always exists outside the 'artist'.
I do, literally, believe in higher (and sometimes lower) powers as the actual sources of art, and think that it would be naive for someone to think they're ever actually creating something rather than borrowing and filtering. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with that.

...but hey, I'm just weird in this regard... I guess

[x_rex30]

Everyone who makes AMVs is an editor.

Virtually nobody who edits AMVs is an artist.

Many people who edit AMVs are designers.

"Creator" is a poor description, as nothing is "created." Every AMV is "edited." If something is "created" (such as custom 3D), the video is no longer mainstream AMV - it becomes something else.

"Keywords" are pointless. People who try to wedge themselves and others into categories can never be artists, and make terrible designers. Worse are the people who insist upon claiming artistry, but who don't even know what it is.

Yes

I would consider myself an artist, even by the standard that nothing is created when making an AMV (which I would debate). I'm a creative person; I like creating things plain and simple. Whether its AMVs, sketches on paper, writting, poetry, rythyms that I drum on my stomach, scenerios that I think of in my head while I listen to music, it doesnt matter. I enjoy creating things, so that = "artist" in my mind.

Debating the level or artistry inherint in certain activities is about as productive as debating religeon or politics. I'm only 19 and I think I can safely say that a masterpeice can be made out of anything by anyone under any circumstance at any time. From Mona Lisa, to The David, to the archetectual plans for Eifel Tower, to music videos, to anime music videos, to Piss Christ, to the doodles you draw while your on the phone, its all art to me. Art is art is art.

I think what defines an artist are the reasons why he/she does what he does. Not what he does, or how well he does them.

To me, my definition of "artistry" would be to turn a feeling you have inside of you into something tangible. Taking a peice of yourself and putting it into somethig you create: thats art.

My friend thinks the same thing(as well do I), and he's got a job from Don Bluth. I would say my friend knows quite a bit about artistic creativity since he is both an animator and musician

[Beowulf]

I do, literally, believe in higher (and sometimes lower) powers as the actual sources of art, and think that it would be naive for someone to think they're ever actually creating something rather than borrowing and filtering. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with that.

...but hey, I'm just weird in this regard... I guess

I think most people believe this. I certainly do.

Its ridiculous to think that your brain just cooks this stuff up out of thin air. Where do ideas come from? A lot of people would say God, and I don't blame them. Ideas are out there. They're just floating around waiting to be picked up. The only thing you can do is prepar your body and mind to recieve them. That could be snorting cocaine to getting a good nights sleep to eating breakfest.

Usually a nice meal in the late night gets me rolling. That and pot.