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Post by ShonenDizzyCow » Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:17 pm

Chaos Angel wrote:Personally, I think the primary focus of Eva is not so much the story (which is fairly basic and not too original when you get right down to it) but the psychological analysis and development of the different characters. What it basically boils down to is this. If you are unwilling to get into the character's minds, you may not enjoy Eva that much. It practically begs to be dissected. It only seems to be a typical "Monster-of-the-Week" series at first. Seen in it's entirety, it is so, so much more than that.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Chaos Angel.

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Post by Rozard » Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:38 pm

Hooray Chaos Angel!! All praise Lord Gon!!
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Post by alternatefutures » Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:50 pm

Chaos Angel, from episode 16 onwards your theory is correct. However, before episode 16 Ano ADMITS he had no real overriding theme and that he didn't move it to the psychological until after a freind lent him a psychology book. Before episode 16, it IS just a monster of the week show. Even afterwards it's still a monster of the week series but with a new add on. And you know what? I bet that if the series went on for 28 episodes you would find Shinji didn't change. You see, he's stuck on this four episode long Manic-Depressive cycle throughout, and the series just so happened to end in the manic stage.

And why would I want to get inside the characters' heads? Their annoying, whinny, "please kill me to put me out of your misery" qualities might interact with my assholic qualities and the resulting complex would not be pretty.

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Post by Chaos Angel » Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:01 pm

alternatefutures wrote:Chaos Angel, from episode 16 onwards your theory is correct. However, before episode 16 Ano ADMITS he had no real overriding theme and that he didn't move it to the psychological until after a freind lent him a psychology book. Before episode 16, it IS just a monster of the week show.
-Do you have a source on this, AlternateFutures? I'd be interested in reading it, if you do.
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Post by alternatefutures » Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:16 pm

Yeah there's an interview online somewhere. It'll take me a while to find it though as the last time I had this discussion was a year or so ago. I believe it predates End of Evangelion (namely because Ano was stating that he was perfectly happy with the ending of the series and if people didn't like it, too bad) and it was actually a transcript of Anno's Q&A at an anime convention. I'm going to have to browse through the post archieves at AnimeNation. They should have it somewhere. If you want to check it out do a search for posts by the user "CrowScape" and look for threads in the Evangelion forum (although the link to the article was posted by another user, so you'll actually have to skim the entire discussion).

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Post by Rozard » Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:18 pm

Well, we all know how reliable everything on the internet is...
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Post by alternatefutures » Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:27 pm

Well, it could be worse. I could have said it was an article in Animerica. And really, this is ANIME we're dealing with, not politics. You aren't going to find that much misinformation out there asside from honest mistakes, and a transcript such as this probably would not be forged, especially considering the wording of the entire thing was heavily favorable to the series.

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Post by klinky » Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:58 pm

alternatefutures wrote:Well, it could be worse. I could have said it was an article in Animerica. And really, this is ANIME we're dealing with, not politics. You aren't going to find that much misinformation out there asside from honest mistakes, and a transcript such as this probably would not be forged, especially considering the wording of the entire thing was heavily favorable to the series.

Misinformation everyday from stupid people.

People who rename stuff "incorrectly" on KaZaa.
People who say your instead of you're(this includes me).
People who loooooove DBZ
People who think children are fun to be around.
People who are evil
People who think they can get away with stealing 4 billion dollars, misreporting 11 million or creating a inflated fake company and taking all the money and thinking they can get away with it.


Stupid people can put out stupid information that doesn't sound stupid... :p


I think Anno has been quoted ten billion times and everyone has heard that EoE was made because of ten different reasons. The fact is I love evangelion no matter what, I don't care about how he came up with the idea..... It was damn good view'n for me and someone saying he was just making a monster of the week show until his friend gave him a psychology book doesn't make a damn difference to weather I like the show or not. Maybe we should ask WHY he was given that psych book? Maybe he was depressed so much that he was actually sleeping at work to prevent him from killing himself. <--- I've heard that one too...

There are millions of rumors out there and I really don't care about them. They're interesting and it's fun to get inside the mind. Until he releases a biography or big book about how he made eva and where he got the ideas then I'll take everything with a grain of salt.

Even those links of links that that guy posted on that message board you got from that otaku who was on instant messanger when you did that random chat the day after your friends birthday. :roll:



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Post by alternatefutures » Wed Jul 10, 2002 12:13 am

Fine klinky, it's your right to enjoy something for what it is. As I said, I was going to just walk right through this thread until jbone opened his mouth.

Although frankly the idea that Anno keeps citing alternative reasons why something happened doesn't speak well for the idea of a any design behind the series. Either that or he is the most mis-quoted figure in history.

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Post by kthulhu » Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:22 am

Well,I did like EVA.I never said I hated it or it was awful.My comment about too many ideas was about the main plot,which is saving the world from monsters,the Human Instrumentality Project sections,the psychological profiling of the characters,Shinji's constant whining,the Christian and mythical references,and whatnot.The Human Instrumentality Project sections seemed problematic to me.They were tacking a secret conspiracy plot into the middle of the main plot,and it didn't seem to work together too well in the end.Had Anno had enough creative juices and a better frame of mind,EVA should of been 39 or 52 episodes,which'd be enough time to better explain and flesh things out.Instead,while creating a <i>very</i> unique series,the series started to seem rushed and come apart a bit near the end,to me.Still,I liked EVA,and did feel End Of Eva was a pretty good ending to the series,all in all.
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