Why no opinion grade for lyric synch?

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:11 pm

Wong wrote:
Corran wrote:I'm all for lyric sync but I don't think a field for it in the opinions is really nessesary... but then again, we do have a lipsync field. : /
i think lipsync might be a little harder to do then lyric sync

You would be surprised. Good lyric sync can be just as difficult as good lip sync. Lip sync is just more obviously tedious in the short term to make things look perfect. Finding the absolute perfect clips to fit the lyrics while not messing up the mood or action sync can be just as if not more time consuming.

If lyric sync could be optional then I would definately be for it as not all videos use or rely on lyric sync.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:15 pm

kitsunebeolnet wrote:If someone is going for a 'mood' than why not let them opt out of having a grade there like lip synch or effects?

It could even be one of those sections that the creator makes available *only* if the video contains that - like the way you have to add lipsync and effects so people can score them. Those who don't want to mess with lyric sync can just leave that box unchecked.

I tend to discuss lyrics in the 'action sync' score - marking up or down if they're matched/ignored the same way I would any other part of a song. For me, that section wouldn't be needed. I'm not sure if it would help newer members or confuse them.

[In the first reviews I wrote, I thought 'action sync' was how much action a video had in it and whether that fit the music. But I hadn't read the "Opinion Guide" back then. ^_^;]

I'm a storyteller. Maybe my vision isn't what someone else sees. They could explain that as part of the general comments (If they are intelligent enough to leave a good comment anyways.) and it would be a valuble part of the overall feedback.

That's the main problem I'd have with a lyric sync section - who decides how to interpret lyrics (they're too much like poetry readings). Then again, not everyone syncs the same way, so the action sync score is just as preference-based.

/undecided on the subject

Wong · Post by **Wong** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:19 pm

kitsunebeolnet wrote: Ok, good argument. (From you too Arigatomyna) But I still think there should be a better definition or available 'grade' of synch than just action cuts or lip movement. If someone is going for a 'mood' than why not let them opt out of having a grade there like lip synch or effects? I'm a storyteller. Maybe my vision isn't what someone else sees. They could explain that as part of the general comments (If they are intelligent enough to leave a good comment anyways.) and it would be a valuble part of the overall feedback.

these are the review options

* Orig
* Visual
* Sound
* Synch
* Lip
* Effects
* Effort
* Re-View
* Overall

so..that being said...sync does not fall into one diffinitive term....action or otherwise. The only reason i think you may think it does is because the overall majority uses the "sync" section for action.

Check out my No Regrets vid(link in sig), i state in my comments that there is no actionsync, or cue sync, because i was not going for that effect in my vid. And if you would read the 2 public reviews i have available for that vid, you will also see that they had to put a 1 because there was no action sync or anything...which is sad...because i think my video syncs perfectly with that song. But...the all the lemmings have chosen to believe sync is action/beat.

I will say it one more time this post....there is no firm deffinition for the sync section. It should only reflect how you think the vid syncs with the song. Lyricaly, action wise, beat wise, or mood wise.

Wong · Post by **Wong** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:22 pm

i have to change what i said about the sync column....it does say action...but then again it says editing too....and the part of editing should not fall on if it hits beats or not...because editing is all about clip choice...and how you use them...not just where you decide to fade them in.

inthesto · Post by **inthesto** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:27 pm

All flames aside, the thing is that I don't really think it needs to be in there. While I do put stuff like lyric synch and whatnot into a different category, that's what the "Effort" and "Overall" categories are for. The two of them basically encompass anything not covered by the others.

Besides, when I get an op, it's not really the numbers I care about so much as the comments. I've gotten low scores with praising comments, and conversely, decent scores with absolutely brutal comments.

kitsunebeolnet · Post by **kitsunebeolnet** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:41 pm

inthesto wrote:All flames aside, the thing is that I don't really think it needs to be in there. While I do put stuff like lyric synch and whatnot into a different category, that's what the "Effort" and "Overall" categories are for. The two of them basically encompass anything not covered by the others.

Ok, maybe this had a Democrat's chance in Congress, but there should be SOME poke or prod that outlines different types of synch for those that are commenting.

My 3rd video got trashed by some arsewipe noob that dosen't matter anymore over my poor (action) synch. To me, it looked synched pretty good (at the time) to the lyrics. I'd never even heard of lyric synch at the time because it is not explained anywhere I'm aware of. Herbert West took the time to explain the difference between 'action' synch and lyric synch. I think there's enough of a difference that there should be something that points out the various nuances for those that don't know any better before reviewing someone else's work.

Bote · Post by **Bote** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:50 pm

All my videos have a lot of lyric sync. Personally, I think that it's necessary for every song that has vocals (you can understand

) in it. Maybe it doesn't really need a score like other elements, but people will know to appreciate it nevertheless.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox · Post by **Zaphod_Beeblebrox** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:33 pm

Well that's all true, but lyric sync is not really a neccesity, but by that token neither is action sync, i think the general heading of "sync" is good for the ops, it should be up to the person leaving the op to decide which type of vid it is, this may mean that to some people some videos will be crap no matter how well edited, but if someone gets the right idea about a vid they can correctly determine how much of the score should be action and how much should be lyrics.

A prime example of this dilemma would be lightningcountx's recent release of his re-master of remember: this has a fair amount of lyric sync, but also a lot of beat sync, it's up to the person leaving an op on the vid to determine how many of the 10 should be action and how many lyrics, and then judge the total score out of ten from that.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:26 pm

I love lyric synch, everyone should dew it.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:42 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:I love lyric synch, everyone should dew it.

x2

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Alright, fine, I'll support this idea of adding a category, but only if there's a special option to give someone an 11 for successfully lyric-synching Captain Beefheart.