AWA Pro - It's a shutout

Pyle · Post by **Pyle** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:48 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote:You know what vid didn't use AE?

Euphoria.

Suddenly my work ethic just skyorcketed

Shounen Bushido and u4ea are my idols of hard work

BishounenStalker · Post by **BishounenStalker** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:51 pm

Ashyukun wrote:I think you're wrong on this point. Yes, we do have a whole lot of fun trying to figure out just who made what (in the cases where it isn't already very well known or quite obvious)- but in the end, it's how good a video is that will determine whether or not it gets nominated.

Kinda makes me glad I went lurker. I can count on one hand the number of people who know or care who I am

SailorDeath · Post by **SailorDeath** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:18 am

Hitori wrote:
AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Oh and... making AMVs isnt about winning, it's about having fun making things you like in your spare time. If you are only making amvs for the glory then you should probably stop now. The only person you need to please is yourself - anyone else is just a bonus.
More people should be following this! That's just how I got into making AMVs, because it was fun and I liked what I did. Other people liking them was a big bonus. Then again, other people do hate my stuff and well, that's just them.

I make videos because I like to make videos, as of late the only time I've made videos was when I was going to enter a contest, but at the same time that's about how often I can actually finish a project without getting discouraged. (if I lose the overall vision of the video, I ussually nuke it.)

Now I LOVE to compete, I don't care too much about praise, but I always like a challenge. Win or lose I don't care, it's the actual competiton that I like.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:53 am

To be completely honest... I thought the entire contest was a washout, and no offense to the people that deserved what they got by getting nominations (there where several great videos).

But umm... There was so much pure bs in that contest it really makes me continplate entering next year (I probably will).

On a contest that was suppose to be blind, like 3 of the noms where for videos that had been out for quite (more than 2 months) a while (I say that because bakka and I counted about 20 videos that had been premired and shown at cons already, so i'm fairly sure those who can't vote, don't know who they are) and a few of them flat out did not deserve what they got (across the board).

It is my simple opinion, and I feel as though since I did vote, I get to make that opinion, I won't complain because I lost the contest, but I do feel that a few videos got gipped.

But like I said, it's my opinion.

I just wish AWA would make a full Blind rule instead of having an "unspoken" rule about it. Because that really takes alot of the fun out of it... ALOT.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:25 am

Oh goodness enough griping and moaning and groaning.

I was one of the vids that didn't make it in any category. Oh well I can care less. My vid was unfinished before Otakon. It was there that I decided to finish the vid for pro just to see what happens. I wasn't expecting anything and frankly its perfectly fine. Hell I don't liek my pro vid much at all so its not going to bother me.

Simply put there were a lot of great videos. Not everyone could win or it would defeat the purpose of the contest.

Does that mean that I agree with all the final nominations? Nope. Actually the video I liked least got nominated in at least one category. However I can agree with a good deal of the chosen videos being on the list. I have opinions on a few not being the best in their respective categories. However there are 58 different editors with different tastes. That's the fun part of pro.

And the bull on needing aftereffects. There were plenty of vids that did not use it at all. Actually I was quite pleased that many videos opted for either simple effects that can be done in premiere and others used very few effects.

Simply put you didn't make it. So what? All it means is you try again next year and see if you can do better. But to cry out on things being unjust reflects poorly on yourself.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:38 am

Illia Sadri wrote:Oh goodness enough griping and moaning and groaning.

I was one of the vids that didn't make it in any category. Oh well I can care less. My vid was unfinished before Otakon. It was there that I decided to finish the vid for pro just to see what happens. I wasn't expecting anything and frankly its perfectly fine. Hell I don't liek my pro vid much at all so its not going to bother me.

Simply put there were a lot of great videos. Not everyone could win or it would defeat the purpose of the contest.

Does that mean that I agree with all the final nominations? Nope. Actually the video I liked least got nominated in at least one category. However I can agree with a good deal of the chosen videos being on the list. I have opinions on a few not being the best in their respective categories. However there are 58 different editors with different tastes. That's the fun part of pro.

And the bull on needing aftereffects. There were plenty of vids that did not use it at all. Actually I was quite pleased that many videos opted for either simple effects that can be done in premiere and others used very few effects.

Simply put you didn't make it. So what? All it means is you try again next year and see if you can do better. But to cry out on things being unjust reflects poorly on yourself.

Unjust and confusing are two diffrent things.

Whats confusing is, why the general idea is that it's a blind contest, and yet... it's not.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:18 am

The fact is no contest is going to be entirely blind. Sure some vids were at other cons. Some vids certain editors know their friends did.

I knew quite a few of the vids in the contest. Did that influence my judging? Not at all. The videos I thought were the best in each category are comprising my final voting list (my prelim votes were weird and incomplete because I did not get my disks until a couple days ago) Again..... most of the deserving videos got in.

It is one thing to be annoyed to an extent or feel a little ping of dissapointment. However to go on a forum and whine on a video not making it in and how it was made to get recognized..... come on. 58 editors are going to have different opinions. And it goes beyond favoritism and after effects.

norskotaku · Post by **norskotaku** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:40 am

I don't think anybody here was "whining" that their video didn't make it. Brakus needed some support and the reminder that after effects alone does not make a winning video (at least not in everyone's eyes) and I believe most people replying to this thread have given him just that. that's part of being a community, understanding when someone's ego may be bruised and giving them the old pat on the back and "don't let it stop you from trying" you know.

perhaps you are taking things a little personal since you appear to be so proud of your own judging skills. I'm glad you are, though, and I'm glad that you can keep your approach to the videos professional. but don't assume that everyone else holds themselves to the same standards you do. chances are some do and some don't, and in the end we have to hope that the extremes will balance eachother out.

I, however, do believe that it is possible to run a truly blind contest. disqualifying any video that is found to have been shown in a previous contest, or any that are already online, would hopefully convince the entrants to save their video for the con, thus not sharing it around with their friends first. one of my recent videos that I can't talk about yet was shown to all of a few close friends, only because I knew none of them would be judging or would know any of the judges or coordinators involved in the contest. that's just me following my hope that the contest is indeed well organized and blind to a fault.

The ability of a contest to be blind is determined by the entrants themselves and how they handle their videos, not by the judges and staff alone.

Illia Sadri · Post by **Illia Sadri** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:20 am

well we have a contest that is as close to blind that is possible.... that would be masters. That is the contest that everyone has to premiere the video at and has very strict confidentiality standards.

I think one of the things that is best about pro is that you get judged by your peers and to an extent you do get to guess who made certain vids. Some people are guessing videos based on editing styles or anime that is known to be liked by a person. That is fun. But to basically piss on the opinions and judgement of those involved was demeaning.

And no a simple ask for support is one thing. "aw shucks I didn't make it in and I worked hard on that video" would have been just fine. I took offense to the whole speel of how the fellow editors and judges have been so unjust and lumped him in a category as being unworthy. That his/her video was overlooked in favor of lesser videos. Its an insult to everybody who placed their vote in what they thought was the cream of the crop in their minds.

norskotaku · Post by **norskotaku** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:30 am

ok, I understand you taking offense to it and pointing out that it can be considered an insult to everyone involved. perhaps that was the intent, perhaps not. either way it doesn't matter at this point. while it may not have been justified to put it that way, most people overlooked the tone as that of someone who had just received an insult themselves.

in other words, he most likely fealt insulted by the results of the contest (as I have myself in the past) and the normal reaction is to voice an opinion that often comes out harsher than it needs to. I did the same back in the day. some people took offense, and others knew I was just lashing out for a moment and would regain my composure soon enough. maybe that's why I want to be understanding in this case, since I've been in that position and remember how it fealt.