Proposing a new rule...

[EvaXephon]

Now, I don't mean to try to formally challenge the administrators with this topic, but I'd like to share some of my thoughts.

Now, I haven't been here long, so I might be incorrect. But, it seems like, most of the time, when someone asks a question, the responses they get are one or two lines long and contain no helpful information or answer to their question. They just say, "read the guide".

"I think you should read the guide...read the guide again...sounds like someone hasn't read the guide yet..." Is it just me, or does the existence of a guide make everyone lazy?

"Oh, I don't need to answer this question, the answer is in a guide." and "I'm going to prove I'm superior to this person by pointing out how stupid they are by telling them they haven't read the guide yet." seem to be the thoughts of the people who say these things.

Here is what I have a problem with: Sometimes, I don't understand the guides. There are areas of it that are enlightening and helpful, but then some parts that are so confusing, I end up doing the wrong things, and make negative progress. I'm not mad at the guides, however; I'm mad that everyone thinks they can solve a problem by telling someone to go read a guide!

I didn't come to this forum or that forum to have someone tell me to read a guide. I came to a forum to get my question answered by someone.

I understand perfectly clear that some people don't know the correct answer to a question, and so they point someone in the direction of a guide, which may have the answer. This is fine. But not when someone knows the answer! When someone knows the correct answer, they should tell someone the answer, not tell them to go read a guide, correct?

I think that maybe there should be some sort of rule along these lines: "If you know the answer to someone's query, then if you are going to reply to their post, tell them the answer to their question; do not direct them to a guide." Either that, or there should be a forum dedicated to help making an AMV. Why isn't there one already?

...I'm sorry if I was too fired up or offended any guide-authors in this post...I just don't want to keep on making new posts and topics every time I run into yet another problem because no one helped me adequately because they all just told me to read a guide.

[TobinHood]

Not to point out the obvious or sounds like a dick or anything, but, why do you think the guides were made. Can you imagine getting 10-15 threads of the same question pop up every day? If you don't understand something in the guides then say so in your question and I'm sure some of the people here will help you but if the answer is in the guides you will be pointed in taht direction so that the same responses do not have to be explained 20 - 30 times daily. Not to offend noobs or anything but honestly most them don't even bother to check the guides first nor do they try to search the forum for something already answered. You can say the people here are lazy when pointing to the guides but the people asking the questions are usually alot lazier and don't even bother with either methods first. When you're here longer maybe you'll realize how much of a hassle it can be, and to tell you the truth you're going to get people telling you to check archives or guides or whatever on any forum you visit. I'd say get used to it if you plan on using the internet. Remember point out taht you don't understand a certain part in the guide and you'll probably receive some help.

[trythil]

"I think you should read the guide...read the guide again...sounds like someone hasn't read the guide yet..." Is it just me, or does the existence of a guide make everyone lazy?

I don't think so. Guides provide answers to the fundamental problems -- the kinds of things that have been more or less solved, thus freeing people to work on new problems and explore new territory.

Like any art or science, people do not want to have to explain the bases of everything time and again.

Therefore, if the answer's in a guide, or can be derived by reading a guide, then I don't see any problem in pointing to that guide. Here's another reason: usually, the guides on this site offer the best way to do things (where by "best" I mean "retains maximum quality").

For example, the question of how to rip DVDs for AMV footage on Windows systems is still often seen. The method described in EADFAG is probably the best method for Windows computers, as it has

1) an enormous amount of flexibility and power from AVISynth
2) accep
table speed (again, from AVISynth)

However, people have taken it upon themselves to provide alternate methods, which look good for one reason or another (usually, the impetus is "AVISynth is too hard") but usually end up horribly failing in the long run. Spreading such misinfomation is a bad thing.

(Now, I'm not saying that all alternate methods suck. I'm simply invoking Sturgeon's Law.)

As far as being flummoxed by the guides goes -- well that's another issue. I'm sure that if you described exactly what your problem was, those "in the know" will help out.

[I-NINJA]

Not to point out the obvious or sounds like a dick or anything, but, why do you think the guides were made. Can you imagine getting 10-15 threads of the same question pop up every day? If you don't understand something in the guides then say so in your question and I'm sure some of the people here will help you but if the answer is in the guides you will be pointed in taht direction so that the same responses do not have to be explained 20 - 30 times daily. Not to offend noobs or anything but honestly most them don't even bother to check the guides first nor do they try to search the forum for something already answered. You can say the people here are lazy when pointing to the guides but the people asking the questions are usually alot lazier and don't even bother with either methods first. When you're here longer maybe you'll realize how much of a hassle it can be, and to tell you the truth you're going to get people telling you to check archives or guides or whatever on any forum you visit. I'd say get used to it if you plan on using the internet. Remember point out taht you don't understand a certain part in the guide and you'll probably receive some help.

... Holy shi*... no, I didn't read till the end of your almighty long post, but got sucked into this:

"I think you should read the guide...read the guide again...sounds like someone hasn't read the guide yet..." Is it just me, or does the existence of a guide make everyone lazy?

I don't think so. Guides provide answers to the fundamental problems -- the kinds of things that have been more or less solved, thus freeing people to work on new problems and explore new territory.
Like any art or science, people do not want to have to explain the bases of everything time and again.Therefore, if the answer's in a guide, or can be derived by reading a guide, then I don't see any problem in pointing to that guide. Here's another reason: usually, the guides on this site offer the best way to do things (where by "best" I mean "retains maximum quality"). For example, the question of how to rip DVDs for AMV footage on Windows systems is still often seen. The method described in EADFAG is probably the best method for Windows computers, as it has
1) an enormous amount of flexibility and power from AVISynth
2) accep table speed (again, from AVISynth) However, people have taken it upon themselves to provide alternate methods, which look good for one reason or another (usually, the impetus is "AVISynth is too hard") but usually end up horribly failing in the long run. Spreading such misinfomation is a bad thing. (Now, I'm not saying that all alternate methods suck. I'm simply invoking Sturgeon's Law.) As far as being flummoxed by the guides goes -- well that's another issue. I'm sure that if you described exactly what your problem was, those "in the know" will help out.

Talk about long posts . Ok ok, * don't want to spam XD *
You should edit the main index of this forum and put a "Read the Rules First!" link, so people see that first be4 they go clickin everywhere else..

[TobinHood]

Talk about long posts . Ok ok, * don't want to spam XD *
You should edit the main index of this forum and put a "Read the Rules First!" link, so people see that first be4 they go clickin everywhere else..

Not a bad idea, but people still probably won't listen.

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Thing is, if you can't understand the guide then what are the chances of you being able to understand the same instructions again when someone repeats them to you on the forum? I don't see any benefit in that.

Now, I know the guides could be easier to understand (the new versions I've written hopefully will be) but there isn't THAT much difference. All the info is there, you just need to have the patience with it.

[DDramone]

im with /\. kinda. i still think some folks can be nazi's about not wanting to repeat themselves.

[Arigatomina]

im with /\. kinda. i still think some folks can be nazi's about not wanting to repeat themselves.

Not everyone is a nazi. ^_^; I think some just don't see any point in helping people who aren't willing to try helping themselves *before* they seek outside assistence.

If everyone tried to answer his or her own question first - by doing what any 'schooled' kid does, looking in the text book, even if it means asking the librarian which book is the best one to look through - then sure, people would be happy to explain the confusing parts. The problem is, they just want the answer given to them. You don't learn anything that way. And I for one am not going to make a new editor lazy to the point where he can't and won't do anything for himself.

[I-NINJA]

Thing is, if you can't understand the guide then what are the chances of you being able to understand the same instructions again when someone repeats them to you on the forum? I don't see any benefit in that.

Now, I know the guides could be easier to understand (the new versions I've written hopefully will be) but there isn't THAT much difference. All the info is there, you just need to have the patience with it.

^ I guess the new versions of the rules will be more understandable to newbies now.

But still... how about you add a simple broad rule that includes all the others in the Registration agreement area? It’s easy as long as you have the FTP, just edit the file:

http://www.website.com/phpBB/language/l ... g_main.php

Then go to line 634 or find ( crtl+f ) the word"Agreement"... now you will see the agreement text for your forums, something like:

Code: Select all

$lang['Registration'] = 'Registration Agreement Terms';
$lang['Reg_agreement'] = 'While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.<br /><br />You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material th...

Just add a link to the rules or a simple broad rule ...

[Corran]

That thing has already been edited.

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